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[00:15:31] <seb_kuzminsky> the STARTUP_GCODE fix(?) went into 2.7 after 2.7.4, so the exact version number is relevant here
[00:15:53] <seb_kuzminsky> if your customers are running linuxcnc from debs, 'dpkg -l linuxcnc*' will tell you the exact version number
[00:16:37] <seb_kuzminsky> if they're using run-in-place, use scripts/get-version-from-git instead
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[00:52:35] <KGB-wlo> push to master branch:
http://linuxcnc.org/
[00:52:41] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13wlo] 15SebKuzminsky pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/wlo/commit/3fc91c1ac8bf4b2f5552780b92e4790f3e6ad401
[00:52:41] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- 13wlo/06master 143fc91c1 15Sebastian Kuzminsky: post: announce ja merge
[01:06:53] <seb_kuzminsky> this might be a good time for a 2.8.0~pre2 release (or a 3.0~pre0)
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[01:27:45] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: pre2?
[01:27:58] <seb_kuzminsky> we have a ~pre0 and ~pre1 already
[01:28:20] <mozmck> Oh, I didn't know there were any releases of master at all.
[01:28:29] <mozmck> or 2.8
[01:28:44] <seb_kuzminsky> you can list the tags with 'git tag -l v2.8*'
[01:28:52] <seb_kuzminsky> well, they're pre-releases
[01:29:12] <seb_kuzminsky> more like place-holders to make the build automation come up with reasonable-sounding version numbers for the master packages
[01:29:43] <seb_kuzminsky> i tried to capture some info about how that all works here:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ReleaseCheckList
[01:30:22] <mozmck> I'm building packages for our customers. I have a couple of things I'm adding right now. I'll have to look again at the exact version this latest customer is running. I'll be doing more testing myself and will test before and after your changes.
[01:32:16] <mozmck> Yes, I better read that again. I'm thinking of emailing the list and having a couple of weeks before we do a complete feature freeze - but no large features even then.
[01:33:24] <mozmck> I'd like to polish up my simple RFL and get it in - and maybe there are others in the works like that which would not be too invasive.
[01:35:10] <seb_kuzminsky> it would be cool if the freebsd port made it in
[01:35:26] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: so do I remember that you would prefer a 3.0 release and then use N.N versions instead of N.N.N? I'm not sure I really like how firefox and others are doing it with the version now up to 40 something
[01:35:37] <seb_kuzminsky> i like your idea of mailing emc-developers and announcing the impending freeze
[01:35:48] <seb_kuzminsky> you could ask what features people want to get in
[01:36:07] <seb_kuzminsky> the version number scheme is really up to you :-)
[01:36:13] <mozmck> Yeah, that was my thought. We can make a pre-release now (or soon) anyhow.
[01:36:27] <seb_kuzminsky> i notice we're not really using the most significant digit, just the second-most, so...
[01:37:14] <mozmck> Yeah, well at some point that should be bumped up - maybe about now would be good since it has some pretty major changes.
[01:38:40] <seb_kuzminsky> makes sense to me
[01:39:22] <mozmck> I'm fine with N.N numbering if others would prefer that.
[01:39:46] <mozmck> 3.0, 3.1, ... 3.389476
[01:41:13] <seb_kuzminsky> 3.1415
[01:41:36] <mozmck> or just PI?
[01:41:57] <seb_kuzminsky> my preference for a one-digit release number (like "3") over a 2-digit release number (like "2.8") is only slight, and i trust your judgement and opinion here
[01:42:00] <mozmck> we would have to make sure that version ran on the RPI
[01:42:05] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[01:42:20] <seb_kuzminsky> the rpi is not armhf architecture, is it?
[01:42:34] <mozmck> it's arm - what is armhf?
[01:42:51] <seb_kuzminsky> arm with Hard Floating-point math
[01:42:58] <seb_kuzminsky> instead of software-emulated math
[01:43:20] <mozmck> Oh, I think it is hf but would have to look to be sure.
[01:43:28] <seb_kuzminsky> i think rpi runs its own build of debian, for that reason, called raspbian
[01:43:48] <mozmck> I think people have run linuxcnc and/or mk on the pi.
[01:44:30] <mozmck> It has issues if I recall with the graphics and realtime
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[02:17:23] <skunkworks> stupid question - I added continuous jog switches to the matsuura. Looking around - It seems like halui has continuous jog inputs. But I wanted to hook it up to the axis gui jog slider
[02:17:33] <skunkworks> How does touchy handle that?
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[02:22:59] <cradek> touchy has hal pin inputs for continuous jog switches
[02:23:30] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/touchy.html#_hal_connections
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[02:24:02] <cradek> AXIS doesn't have that - you'd have to use halui and the two guis would have separate jog speed settings
[02:24:27] <cradek> ... although I think AXIS's maxvel slider might affect halui's jogs
[02:24:28] <mozmck> One thing I'm not clear on with the releases - when a feature freeze is made - does this freeze master or is that the time to create a new branch for the next release?
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[02:24:30] <cradek> you'd have to check
[02:25:05] <cradek> mozmck: opinions might differ, but I think it's best to do them at about the same time, and never really freeze master
[02:25:58] <cradek> sometimes it's clear when to branch - when a release feels close but someone wants to work on something destabilizing
[02:26:31] <mozmck> Sounds reasonable to me - I just was not sure how we have typically done it (or is there a typical?)
[02:26:38] <cradek> other times you can kinda defer it, if master is getting more stable instead of less
[02:27:23] <cradek> I guess I don't remember for sure
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[02:50:19] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: raspbian is not quite compatible with debian armhf, but pi2 and newer can actually run debian armhf and I don't honestly know why anybody dabbles with not-quite-armhf hardware. the original pi, and the pi zero (sigh) are armv6.
https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
[02:52:07] <mozmck> jepler: what about the pi-3?
[02:53:06] <mozmck> Looks like it is better:
http://perens.com/blog/2016/04/07/installing-the-native-debian-armhf-architecture-on-raspberry-pi-3-instead-of-raspbian/
[02:53:06] <jepler> mozmck: also compatible with debian arhmf, I think.
[02:53:28] <jepler> of course you still have to get a linuxcnc-compatible realtime kernel on it
[02:54:20] <mozmck> Didn't someone do some work with that on the devel list a little bit ago?
[02:55:18] <jepler> yes, someone has worked on a variant of the hm2-spi driver that uses bitbang spi on some pi board
[02:55:49] <jepler> (oh and fwiw linuxcnc is probably source-level compatible with raspbian)
[02:56:25] <jepler> afk and goodnight
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[04:06:48] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: take a look at this: gitk bf5bffb4..{60cf79ef,b954ad3e}
[04:07:04] <seb_kuzminsky> it shows how we did the branching for 2.7
[04:07:46] <seb_kuzminsky> we created the 2.7 branch off master at 2642c3c7
[04:08:06] <seb_kuzminsky> we made the first few 2.7 commits, then tagged it v2.7.0~pre1
[04:08:34] <seb_kuzminsky> also made the first post-2.7 commit in master (to the VERSION file) and tagged that as v2.8.0-pre0
[04:09:20] <seb_kuzminsky> from that point on mostly stabilizing commits were allowed in 2.7
[04:09:40] <seb_kuzminsky> we also accepted new drivers, since they usually can't break other (pre-existing) things
[04:10:01] <seb_kuzminsky> master (aka 2.8) stayed open for new experimental features and possibly destabilizing things
[04:12:09] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: the continuous jog buttons on my bridgeport go to halui
[04:14:08] <seb_kuzminsky> jog speed for the buttons is controlled by a pyvcp panel in axis, with a slider conected to halui.jog-speed
[04:14:36] <seb_kuzminsky> it'd be better if it shared the axis jog speed slider, but alas
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[04:17:04] <skunksleep> seb_kuzminsky: cradek thanks.. that was about where I was at.
[04:17:57] <seb_kuzminsky> probably wouldnt be too hard to have axis expose its sliders to hal
[04:18:11] <skunksleep> Too hard to make the sliders hal pins?
[04:18:16] <skunksleep> Heh
[04:18:26] <seb_kuzminsky> right, just like the pyvcp sliders
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[10:14:48] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB opened pull request #89: twopass.tcl: updated for personalities & loadusr on pass0 (06master...06master) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/89
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[10:22:17] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB commented on issue #89: Doh! I sent the pull request against master, but this is applicable to 2.7 at least, maybe even 2.6.... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/89#issuecomment-229010556
[10:22:47] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB commented on issue #89: Doh! I sent the pull request against master, but this is applicable to 2.7 at least, probably even 2.6.... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/89#issuecomment-229010556
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[12:04:55] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler commented on issue #89: On first glance, I think the change regarding personality= is probably uncontroversial.... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/89#issuecomment-229029535
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[14:21:35] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB commented on issue #89: I didn't know about the sampler, my fault. That's why I should have made 2 seperate pull requests beforehand.... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/89#issuecomment-229064020
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[14:43:09] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB opened pull request #90: twopass.tcl: add support for `personalities` of kernel modules (06master...06tp-personalities) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/90
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[14:52:52] <ikcalB> jepler: still idk, I assume that the pullrequest should have been submitted against 2.6?d
[14:53:53] <ikcalB> (what I intended to ask: shall I make a seperate, or not - and shall I delete that req)
[14:57:14] <jepler> Please close the pull request and make at least one new pull request (for the personality= part). you can also make a pull request for the two-pass loadusr thing, but I don't believe we can accept that pull request.
[14:59:08] <ikcalB> I did that already. just - again - not for 2.6 but master.
[15:03:11] <jepler> oh I missed that. I don't think you can change the "merge to" branch in a pull request after creation, so yes I think you'll have to close that one and create a fresh one
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[16:28:27] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB opened pull request #91: twopass.tcl: add support for personalities (kernel module parameters) (062.6...062.6-tp_personalities) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/91
[16:28:57] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB closed pull request #90: twopass.tcl: add support for `personalities` of kernel modules (06master...06tp-personalities) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/90
[16:29:28] <ikcalB> jepler: done. this will be merged "up" until master - correct? how could I help you doing this?
[16:31:16] <jepler> ikcalB: have you studied how to write a new test for linuxcnc? I there aren't any tests for two-pass hal files, so adding a test that shows it works right would give confidence in your change
[16:32:03] <jepler> ikcalB: for 2.6 and 2.7 the release manager is seb_kuzminsky so he makes the decision about whether changes go in; for master branch it's more relaxed and uncontroversial stuff is pushed without discussion.
[16:33:35] <ikcalB> this is beyond my skills for now. I'm definetly going to look into this - unfortunately in autumn earliest. have to get final things done here.
[16:37:15] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB opened pull request #92: halshow.tcl: use no special grouping for signals (06master...062.6-halshow_signals) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/92
[16:40:21] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB opened pull request #93: halshow.tcl: use no special grouping for signals (062.6...062.6-halshow_signals) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/93
[16:41:29] * ikcalB is starting to hate github
[16:50:14] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler commented on issue #92: After this change, it appears that 'proc makeNodeSig' would be unused. The PR should delete the whole proc's implementation. 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/92#issuecomment-229110168
[16:50:57] <jepler> also I think that seb_kuzminsky will be reluctant to take this change in 2.6, because it does not fix a regression or a serious bug. it is cosmetic in nature.
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[17:04:25] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15ikcalB commented on issue #92: @jepler correct, atm it'd be unused. I'm planning on making (non)groupable strings(items) configurable, and wanted to keep proc for later reference. ... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/92#issuecomment-229114187
[17:05:28] <ikcalB> jepler: I assume the same is for 2.7? we'd have to manually overwrite it, then
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[18:02:21] <jepler> if you want to deploy some version with your custom modifications, then I recommend building your own debian package and distributing it. This recently got better documentation.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/master/html/code/building-linuxcnc.html#_building_debian_packages
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[19:14:56] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler commented on issue #92: Personally, I don't use halshow, so I am not a good person to judge the merits of changes to it. (and I don't really understand what your table is trying to show). If you want to discuss possible enhancements, I recommend the mailing list or forum where you have a higher chance of finding people who do.... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/92#issuecomment-229152520
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[19:21:20] <ikcalB> jepler: tnx, will do so - both!
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[19:24:39] <jepler> hah funny variant of that gif somebody posted the other day:
https://svbtleusercontent.com/dyerbwpxmvh7zg_small.png
[19:24:49] <jepler> relevance to the current discussion here: negligible
[19:25:23] <cradek> ha
[19:25:46] <cradek> and I approve of the font
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[21:43:48] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15nicokid commented on issue #33: You must also do the update of axisu.glade and axisv.glade. 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/33#issuecomment-229193377
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[22:11:19] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master ef1f6bf 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/axisu.glade 10src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/axisv.glade stepconf: take nicokid's version of these files * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef1f6bf
[22:11:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 99cd0dd 06linuxcnc 10scripts/latency-histogram latency-histogram: set pixel size of window explicitly * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=99cd0dd
[22:11:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master b97a1ca 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/panelui.c 10src/hal/components/sampler_usr.c 10src/hal/components/streamer_usr.c streams: set errno before calling perror * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b97a1ca
[22:23:46] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler:
http://paste.debian.net/769013/ ?
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[22:33:58] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I thought about that but (A) it has to run in rtai realtime too, where there's probably no extern int errno; and aren't there more exit paths than that?
[22:35:17] <linuxcnc-build> build #2471 of 1405.rip-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1405.rip-wheezy-armhf/builds/2471 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
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[22:39:15] <jepler> make: *** [.html-images-stamp] Segmentation fault
[22:39:17] <jepler> flake flake flake
[22:42:56] <linuxcnc-build> build #4291 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/4291 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
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[23:10:19] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: that's all the exit paths i'm pretty sure
[23:10:58] <seb_kuzminsky> dont those functions run in the userspacey nonrealtimey part of the world?
[23:11:11] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[23:31:02] <jepler> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=master 0000.checkin
[23:31:07] <linuxcnc-build> The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts
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[23:56:15] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 1h22m46s]
[23:56:15] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
