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[00:07:50] <skunkworks> cradek, heh - wow. Almost the same example..
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[00:08:44] <skunkworks> It hit the over-travel - which puts it into estop. No issue
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[01:15:39] <jepler> hm that test doesn't look good
[01:15:59] <jepler> /home/buildslave/emc2-buildbot/precise-amd64/precise-amd64-sim/build/scripts/realtime: line 116: syntax error near unexpected token `|'
[01:16:02] <jepler> /home/buildslave/emc2-buildbot/precise-amd64/precise-amd64-sim/build/scripts/realtime: line 116: ` if | awk '{print $1}' | grep -x $MOD >/dev/null ; then'
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[01:34:09] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/master/configure-uspace-insmod f2bfcf3 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in configure: simplify insmod/rmmod/lsmod detection * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2bfcf3
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[01:44:51] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler commented on issue #33: @nicokid what do you see that makes you believe my branch is still based on gtk2? I ran my branch and your branch and they look the same, and they look different than our "master" branch. 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/33#issuecomment-227034668
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[01:47:28] <jepler> i wish it would quit calling me a dummy
[01:48:45] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler commented on issue #33: @nicokid what do you see that makes you believe my branch is still based on gtk2? I ran my branch and your branch and they look the same, and they look different than our "master" branch.... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/33#issuecomment-227034668
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[03:30:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Andrew Kyrychenko 05joints_axes15 a8baf11 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/kins.9 kins.9 document new pin: genhexkins.tool-offset JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8baf11
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[03:42:13] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 84c4f9c 06linuxcnc 10scripts/platform-is-supported platform-is-supported: detect os in a more portable way * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=84c4f9c
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[04:09:24] <trasz_> jepler: ok, i've added the signed-offs.
[04:09:48] <trasz_> jepler: is there some option i can set somewhere so that it adds it by default?
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[11:46:18] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15lacquer opened pull request #81: sampler: Update fifo-depth and fifo-full pins even when sampler is not enabled (06master...06master) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/81
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[11:57:03] <jepler> trasz_: not that I'm aware of
[11:59:44] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: looks like the precise-amd64 buildbot needs to be bounced...?
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[12:11:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Rushabh Loladia 05master 53cde63 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/sampler.c sampler: Update fifo-depth and fifo-full even if sampler (RTAPI) is not-enabled. * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=53cde63
[12:11:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 086abd9 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/sampler.c sampler: fix indentation, remove redundant comments * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=086abd9
[12:12:20] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15cradek closed pull request #81: sampler: Update fifo-depth and fifo-full pins even when sampler is not enabled (06master...06master) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/81
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[12:44:54] <jepler> *egg on face*
[12:46:07] <linuxcnc-build> build #2438 of 1405.rip-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at
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[12:48:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 19aaa6f 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/hal_lib.c hal: export hal_stream_writable * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=19aaa6f
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[12:56:21] <rushabh> Thank you Jeff; It was my negligence. Will be more careful next time.
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[12:58:08] <jepler> rushabh: in any case, congratulations on your first contribution to the project!
[12:59:09] <rushabh> Thank you ! :)
[13:00:13] <jepler> do you know about how to run our testsuite? After you ". scripts/rip-environment", just run "runtests" .. it takes several minutes to complete
[13:00:58] <jepler> you can also specify a list of tests to run by path, so that when you're working on a particular test failure you don't have to wait for all of them to run every time
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[13:02:54] <rushabh> Ok, I'll try that out next time without fail.
[13:03:47] <jepler> You can see I didn't take my own advice in this case
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[14:11:29] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i bounced precise-amd64, thanks
[14:12:06] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: thank you
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[14:12:48] <seb_kuzminsky> it seems like github has really reduced the activation energy for new contributors
[14:12:57] <jepler> it is increasing my energy, though.
[14:13:04] <jepler> or, using my energy
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[14:13:54] <jepler> signed-off-by requirement + unfamiliarity with git + initial pull request of 10 commits without SOB = hell for the potential contributor and for me when I try to help
[14:13:59] <jepler> (#33)
[14:14:30] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah :-
[14:14:43] <seb_kuzminsky> :-/
[14:15:21] <cradek> I think the existence of github helps us because contributors think it's not *our* fault they have to figure out git
[14:15:44] <seb_kuzminsky> good point
[14:15:52] <cradek> I think it normalizes that particular hell for new contributors
[14:16:27] <cradek> so that's a win for everyone (?)
[14:16:34] <seb_kuzminsky> and github has some pretty good git docs,
https://help.github.com/
[14:16:52] <jepler> yes and no, signed-off-by is a weird requirement and the github UI will tell them that their commit can be merged even when it doesn't have SOB
[14:17:14] <jepler> "you have to rebase in a weird way and then ignore git's own advice that you probably should pull before pushing"
[14:17:52] <cradek> I like the way you handle that, by offering to do it and then asking them to ok your work
[14:18:08] <jepler> it seems like a good compromise.
[14:18:14] <jepler> as long as I maintain the energy to do it
[14:18:44] <seb_kuzminsky> does that weaken the legal mumbo jumbo behind it?
[14:18:51] <cradek> but yeah, editing your unpushed commit messages is a terrible task in git
[14:19:11] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: we can't know that
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[14:19:21] <jepler> editing your already-pushed commit messages is even worse, because even if you get the rebase right, git advises you to pull before pushing
[14:19:54] <cradek> and following that advice that would be a disaster
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[14:21:34] <cradek> maybe we're wrong to require SOB, if it trades a potential future problem for real and serious ongoing irritations
[14:22:34] <seb_kuzminsky> that could be
[14:22:35] <jepler> creating a pull request is also good evidence of intent that their changes be included in the open source project under its license.
[14:22:57] <jepler> (I didn't start this conversation with the idea of relaxing or removing the SOB requirement)
[14:23:28] <seb_kuzminsky> could we formalize the PR part to do the work of the SOB part?
[14:23:50] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe by modifying CONTIRBUTING.md?
[14:24:00] <seb_kuzminsky> (and if so should we?)
[14:24:10] <jepler> you mean, the requirement becomes that *everything* goes through github PR?
[14:24:23] <seb_kuzminsky> no, i didnt intend that
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[14:24:40] <seb_kuzminsky> just that things the come through github are assumed to be offered in good faith and with a proper license
[14:24:43] <cradek> let's back up - in what situations can I SOB someone else's commit?
[14:25:19] <cradek> "... or otherwise have the right to pass it on as an open-source patch"
[14:25:55] <cradek> so I think jepler could SOB a contributor's change (especially a first-time contributor) after simply asking
[14:26:12] <jepler> there are two questions here. One is "when do I have the right to add *my* SOB to someone else's patch" and "when do I have the right to add *someone else's* sob to their patch"
[14:26:13] <seb_kuzminsky> right, as himself, not as the author
[14:26:18] <cradek> yes
[14:26:34] <jepler> yes, I have been doing the latter, and that is probably not right
[14:26:36] <cradek> jepler: after asking; never
[14:27:02] <cradek> (IMO)
[14:27:07] <seb_kuzminsky> makes sense
[14:27:39] <jepler> you're right, I shouldn't have added someone else's SOB to a patch, just in order that the author and sob match
[14:27:52] <cradek> the DCOO part (c) is pretty explicit about this
[14:28:14] <jepler> but my intentions are good
[14:28:21] <cradek> is a pull request "provided directly to me"? probably, I guess
[14:28:36] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe take the new contributor's branch, add "SOB: Seb" and a brief comment saying "i got permission from the author in the comments of PR #123" or "i got permission verbally in IRC (
http://zlog)"
[14:28:47] <cradek> jepler: oh of course
[14:31:08] <cradek> everything is fine, nothing is ruined, everyone continue operating in good faith
[14:31:52] <jepler> I wonder if, from a technical standpoint, we could write the hook that checks "SOB *or* PR"
[14:31:56] <jepler> we risk having a git that breaks when github does
[14:32:07] <jepler> if it were to go live to the internet to answer that question
[14:32:09] <jepler> so that's not a great idea
[14:33:46] <jepler> I'll modify my workflow so that I add my own SOB and we can revisit this later if needed.
[14:34:04] <cradek> that sounds perfect
[14:34:05] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks for helping all the new people, it really makes things feel vibrant in here
[14:34:15] <cradek> it sure does
[14:34:16] <jepler> Please help if you have the time and inclination
[14:34:34] <seb_kuzminsky> yes, i'll try to do better about that
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[14:46:02] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler commented on issue #80: As pointed out by @cradek this was also reported on the old bug tracker:
https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/130/... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/80#issuecomment-227163653
[14:48:18] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15SebKuzminsky commented on issue #80: ... Except for `G10 L2 R`. 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/80#issuecomment-227164348
[14:49:07] <cradek> heh I had exactly the same thought
[14:49:20] <jepler> :-/ shatter my dreams of an easy solution
[14:49:28] <jepler> I appoint one of you two to write the test cases
[14:49:36] <lair82> Just curious, where do you guys find the time to do all this work on signing off and all the code work, all while maintaining your day to day stuff in life?
[14:49:40] <cradek> well the solution is still the same, you just have to find the quadrants correctly
[14:50:12] <cradek> lair82: who told you we maintain our day-to-day stuff in life?
[14:50:54] <lair82> Oooohhhhh, now I see, you guys eat, sleep, and breath Linuxcnc!
[14:50:56] <cradek> (the real answer for me is sometimes I have more time/energy and sometimes I have less time/energy and I just do my best)
[14:51:22] <cradek> lately I've had less, and these other guys are doing the hard work
[14:51:28] <jepler> yes, I agree with cradek's real answer. Right now is one of those times I have more energy to put into the project
[14:53:27] <lair82> We'll, I'd surely raise a cold beer, and give all you guys a firm pat on the back for all the work you guys put into this project, most times it just blows my mind how dedicated you guys are to this, that to most, is just a hobby
[14:53:31] <jepler> I've recently read some articles calling out "crusty old developers" like me for not being welcoming to new contributors, and so I'm also very consciously trying to turn over a new leaf about that.
[14:54:19] <jepler> thanks! the praise is always welcome. now if we could just open a separate area on github where you can write about something that worked correctly in the software and let you accomplish something meaningful to you..
[14:56:58] <lair82> I will honestly say, all 5 machines we have running now, have pushed almost every envelope in regards to linuxcnc, and you guys have come through with a solution for pretty much everything, Thank You, especially for dealing with my pain in the ^&* all this time. It truly is an amazing software, and the fact that it is all free, makes it even crazier.
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[15:39:40] <jepler> cradek: with 5axiskins didn't we discover that trying to do the tool length offset in kinematics was not an ideal solution?
http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8baf11
[15:39:48] <jepler> "kins.9 document new pin: genhexkins.tool-offset JA"
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[16:00:44] <cradek> yes because you want changing the tool length to give you new axis position(s) (no motion) and you can't do that at the kins layer. The comment about "to avoid joints jump change" makes it seem like there's a certain machine position where it's possible to change it, but I don't understand that part without more information (and I don't know what RTCP is)
[16:01:48] <cradek> (using W axis for tool length seems to be a good solution that works with our layering, in the cases I've studied)
[16:01:52] <jepler> http://www.coe.org/p/fo/et/thread=23400
[16:01:59] <jepler> > Rotary tool control point (RTCP) is the sum of pivot length (mechanical rotation axis to spindle face) and gage length (spindle face to tool control point)
[16:03:52] <cradek> ok so with RTCP the controlled point moves to stay on the tool tip, the setup we have with W tool lengths in many of our kinses
[16:04:12] <jepler> that is my superficial understanding
[16:05:14] <cradek> I don't understand how you could do that at the kins level (and change it during a program or with machine on)
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[16:15:29] <cradek> ... because it seems like changing the tool length must change at least one world coordinate or at least one joint coordinate
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[19:37:44] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13wlo] 15jepler created 06showcase (+1 new commit): 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/wlo/commit/46c0f16ff420
[19:37:44] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- 13wlo/06showcase 1446c0f16 15Jeff Epler: let's showcase users projects with linuxcnc...
[19:37:45] <KGB-wlo> push to showcase branch:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/showcase
[19:38:21] <jepler> I've been feeling that what's missing from our front page is some info about what people actually do with linuxcnc. take a look at this branch of the wiki and tell me if you think this is a good idea...
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[19:39:48] <cradek> I love it
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[19:41:27] <jepler> all we need is to be resolved to add new posts to it on a weekly-or-so basis
[19:42:41] <jepler> I'm not sure about positioning on the page. On a standard laptop screen (1280x600 browser area) news and showcase are both below the fold..
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[19:44:06] <seb_kuzminsky> i like it too
[19:46:00] <jepler> afk
[19:46:12] <jepler> it crosses my mind that we should add community to the already-full nav bar at the top too
[19:46:27] <seb_kuzminsky> there should be a persistent and easy-to-find blurb (so not a post) telling people how to submit their machines (and projects?) to the showcase
[19:46:46] <cradek> community is already there
[19:46:48] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: community is aleady in the navbar, no?
[19:46:53] <jepler> er oops
[19:46:55] <jepler> I mean, add showcase
[19:47:03] <jepler> but afk, it's coffe time!
[19:47:14] <seb_kuzminsky> if it's on the front page i dont think we need another link to it
[19:47:18] <seb_kuzminsky> ooh coffee
[19:47:40] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: join us, I'll make everyone aeropress
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[20:01:47] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: just like with the posts, the links to old showcase posts is at the bottom of the "recent" list on the front page, i think that's enough
[20:08:28] <jepler> OK I'll stop sweating that
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[20:14:15] <jepler> do you think "create an issue on our website's github" is a good (good enough) submission method?
[20:14:32] <cradek> well it's a super high bar
[20:14:46] <cradek> depends on whether you want a high bar
[20:15:11] <jepler> I don't know!
[20:16:59] <jepler> >>
[20:17:00] <jepler> Do you have a machine or project you'd like to see featured on the showcase?
[20:17:04] <jepler> Post it in the [forum's "show your stuff" section][forum] or create an issue on
[20:17:07] <jepler> our [website's github repository][github]. Submissions should consist of at
[20:17:10] <jepler> least one photo or video, a short explanation, and include a link to the forum
[20:17:13] <jepler> or a personal blog with more information.
[20:17:14] <jepler> (rather, "in" the showcase)
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[20:58:25] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: that's easier for submitters and more work for us (people who'd update the showcase blog), so it's probably good
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[22:38:23] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15nicokid commented on issue #33: Sorry but I I'm always confused with git. I looked at this link, here there is the old version:... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/33#issuecomment-227291215
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[22:44:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03andypugh 05andypugh/JA14_multispindle 4c95e18 06linuxcnc 10(54 files in 14 dirs) Add support for multiple spindles * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c95e18
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[22:54:35] <seb_kuzminsky> hi andypugh
[22:56:44] <andypugh> Hi
[22:57:11] <andypugh> I like to pop in just before a push to see if it worked as expected
[22:57:25] <andypugh> Though I was too late today.
[23:03:48] <andypugh> I just made a minor change in my branch called “multispindle” What’s the command to push that change to andypugh/JA14_multispindle?
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[23:06:50] <andypugh> Oh Dear.
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[23:08:40] <andypugh> It’s in a branch because it _will_ fail any tests with spindle pins in….
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[23:11:54] <andypugh> How many compilation targets are there?
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[23:20:08] <skunkworks> enough to give you a complex...
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[23:50:33] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15pippin88 commented on issue #79: Jeff,... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/79#issuecomment-227303373