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[01:14:56] <skunkworks> looks like the counts per inch is 25400m:)\
[01:15:05] <skunkworks> looks like the counts per inch is 25400 :)
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[01:36:12] <cradek> micron! jr is that way too.
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[01:42:51] <skunksleep> I think the Jr and the matsuura had the same controllers
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[03:01:45] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes13 9338035 06linuxcnc 03configs/sim/axis/historical_lathe.ini 10configs/sim/axis/lathe.ini configs/sim/axis/lathe simplify using basic_sim JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=9338035
[03:01:45] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes13 cd04492 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/axis/lathe-fanucy/lathe-fanucy.ini lathe-fanucy.ini update for joints_axes JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd04492
[03:01:45] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes13 c256210 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/gscreen/gscreen_custom/industrial_lathe.ini 10configs/sim/gscreen/gscreen_lathe.ini gscreen lathe sim configs update joints_axes JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c256210
[03:01:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes13 f78de34 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/gmoccapy/gmoccapy_lathe.ini 10configs/sim/gmoccapy/gmoccapy_lathe_imperial.ini 10configs/sim/gmoccapy/gmoccapy_postgui.hal gmoccapy lathe sim configs update joints_axes JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=f78de34
[03:01:53] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes13 56ef882 06linuxcnc 10lib/hallib/basic_sim.tcl 10lib/hallib/sim_lib.tcl basic_sim.tcl: handle additional motmod parm JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=56ef882
[03:01:57] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes13 5db0bbe 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/axis/axis_9axis.ini 10configs/sim/axis/remap/cycle/cycle.ini 10configs/sim/gscreen/gscreen_custom/9axis.ini 10lib/hallib/core_sim9.hal sim configs w/ core_sim9.hal, use basic_sim.tcl JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5db0bbe
[03:02:02] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes13 4e88cc6 06linuxcnc 10(5 files in 2 dirs) configs/sim/axis/sim_xyzbc.ini mv to ja_tests/ JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e88cc6
[03:02:06] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes13 4a86299 06linuxcnc 10(7 files in 2 dirs) ja_tests/*/*.ini simplify with basic_sim.tcl JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a86299
[03:02:10] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes13 fd66d21 06linuxcnc 10(9 files) configs/sim/axis/*.ini simplify sim configs for JA * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd66d21
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[12:30:26] <jthornton> I installed the rtai kernel in linuxmint like I've done a bunch of times but when I boot up to it I get a garbage screen with a bunch of vertical lines. I also get during boot up PXE-E01: PCI: Vendor and Device ID's do not match... not having much fun with the BP
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[13:03:26] <JT-Shop> on the Dell if I plug the DB25 cable into the 5i25 the PC won't boot up
[13:07:21] <JT-Shop> next item up for bid is the rt-preempt hard drive and the ethernet thingy
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[13:17:02] <JT-Shop> hmm restoring the bios to defaults got rid of that error message so I must have turned something off that I should not have
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[13:22:16] <skunkworks> zlog,
[13:22:17] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2016-04-19.html
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[13:36:43] <JT-Shop> do you even worry about latency with rt-preempt?
[13:44:06] <pcw_home> if plugging the 5I25 cable into the PC makes the PC not boot, I would bet you have 5V power problem
[13:44:38] <pcw_home> most likely feeding external 5V power back onto the PC
[13:45:57] <JT-Shop> like a jumper wrong?
[13:46:09] <pcw_home> yeah
[13:47:18] <pcw_home> PC power supplies wont start if you leak external power in to their power rails
[13:48:22] <skunkworks> I try for latency <100us
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[13:51:29] <JT-Shop> yep the jumpers were set wrong
[13:51:34] <pcw_home> On RT Preempt (and our Ethernet or other cards with DPLL firmware installed)
[13:51:35] <pcw_home> you mainly need to make sure the servo period tic can be met without more than
[13:51:37] <pcw_home> say a 1/2 period delay (say 500 us at 1 MS thread period) But if you have 500 usec latencies
[13:51:38] <pcw_home> you may well have much worse ones occasionally so skunkworks advice is good
[13:55:06] <skunkworks> over the weekend the hp i5 had a realtime delay
[13:55:30] <skunkworks> So not a perfect machine
[13:55:39] <pcw_home> what thread rate?
[13:55:45] <skunkworks> 1khz
[13:56:32] <pcw_home> how bad a delay?
[13:57:05] <skunkworks> I forgot to look
[13:57:08] <skunkworks> sorry
[13:57:43] <pcw_home> The h97 pro4 has been flawless at 4 KHz for about a year uptime
[13:57:51] <skunkworks> cool
[13:58:55] <pcw_home> my $40 core Duo HP is also flawless but 2 KHz max, it will run a week or so at 4 KHz and then get an error (300 usec or so)
[14:00:29] <pcw_home> I think its related to the likely-hood of a Ethernet read delay happening at the same time as a motion-command-handler delay
[14:01:14] <JT-Shop> sweet, I'm back in business and the touch screen works
[14:01:58] <skunkworks> I will run it again - oh - it was 2khz
[14:02:24] <JT-Shop> and the touch screen looks good, it was fuzzy with the d525
[14:03:30] <pcw_home> I dont think these are much different than the problems that I see in Atom D525s
[14:03:32] <pcw_home> (you cannot run a servo thread much faster than 1 KHz on these despite the fact that they show 10 usec range latencies)
[14:03:36] <skunkworks> The j1900 that we are using in the matsuura has been left on for weeks without a realtime delay
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[14:05:01] <pcw_home> to see if you are close to the edge, watch servo-thread.tmax
[14:05:10] * JT-Shop thinks he will go dig in the dirt to celebrate
[14:05:28] <JT-Shop> before the rains get here
[14:06:17] <pcw_home> the off lease business class Dells and HPs are nice in that they seem much better made than generic clone hardware
[14:07:49] <pcw_home> Already did my digging for the week (rototilling the garden area)
[14:09:46] <skunkworks> set it to 1khz - letting it run
[14:10:49] <skunkworks> most of the time (until the overrun the thread max is around 200us max)
[14:10:58] <pcw_home> watch servo-thread.tmax
[14:11:12] <skunkworks> that is what I do
[14:11:30] <skunkworks> I will let it run and see what it maxes at
[14:12:03] <skunkworks> we have been buying these 2nd gen i5's here for workstations. they seem really nice
[14:12:08] <skunkworks> about $200
[14:12:29] <skunkworks> 4gb ram, win 7pro, 1tb hd
[14:12:51] <skunkworks> small form factor and will do 2 screens stock
[14:13:27] <pcw_home> Yes, I bought one (HP SFF) to replace Kathys windows machine
[14:13:28] <pcw_home> its quite nice
[14:16:50] <skunkworks> they have a printer port and 2 serials :)
[14:17:06] <pcw_home> Don't think she would appreciate me commandeering it for a latency test :-)
[14:17:32] <skunkworks> heh
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[19:22:00] <andypugh> Interesting. If you search Youtube for LinuxCNC videos uploaded in the last week the answer is 94. That’s a lot, and suggests that we may have more than 100 users :-)
[19:33:07] <cradek> I do wonder what order of magnitude our number of users is
[19:35:05] <cradek> 7800 forum users
[19:35:23] <andypugh> 10^4 then
[19:35:28] <cradek> so probably either 10,000 or 100,000
[19:36:55] <andypugh> > 31,622 would be 10^5 :-)
[19:38:26] <cradek> I subscribe to the local city paper, and when I look at the "e edition" on my phone, I get ads covering the articles even after I log in.
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[20:09:44] <PCW> Hmm looks like the OSADL people know something I don't about Preempt-RT kernel configs (not surprising)
[20:09:46] <PCW> Stole their kernel config file for a N3150 and it seems to fix the large Ethernet latencies I
[20:09:47] <PCW> was seeing on the Zotac N3150 based mini PC I'll give it a few days with you tube videos and see if its OK
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[20:27:18] <mozmck> Hmm - you have a link for that config?
[20:31:54] <PCW> https://www.osadl.org/Profile-of-system-in-rack-4-slot-7.qa-profile-r4s7.0.html
[20:32:22] <mozmck> thanks!
[20:32:30] <PCW> pretty sure they have the config file for all their test rack systems
[20:32:59] <mozmck> Our little J1900 board seems to work well, but when we ran latency-histogram on it we got max latencies up to 151us
[20:34:15] <mozmck> The i3 box though is really bad, so I might need to look at some config settings.
[20:35:17] <PCW> latency is less important the the servo-thread.tmax
[20:35:34] <PCW> than the
[20:39:10] <PCW> I really have no idea why the H97 PRO4 is so good, without any fancy tweaks
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[20:39:58] <mozmck> how do you monitor servo-thread.tmax? halshow?
[20:40:27] <PCW> yeah, hal watch
[20:41:00] <mozmck> Ok, I'll have to start looking at that. What is an acceptable max?
[20:42:30] <PCW> As a very rough guess, I would say 1/2 of the servo thread time
[20:43:02] <PCW> (after beating on it for a couple days)
[20:44:17] <PCW> (you can look at motion.servo.last-period for the full thread time in CPU clocks)
[20:44:40] <PCW> (those numbers are all in CPU clocks)
[20:44:56] <mozmck> Ok, so by 1/2 do you mean 1.5 times the servo thread time?
[20:45:36] <PCW> I mean 1/2 the total time (so 500 usec on a 1 ms thread)
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[20:55:20] <PCW> if the Ethernet error hardening gets done, it should make occasional overruns / dropped packets relatively harmless
[20:58:06] <PCW> they seem quite rare even on "bad" systems
[20:58:08] <PCW> as long as you have no multi ms delays even a skipped cycle
[20:58:09] <PCW> _should_ not be terribly harmful (they are harmful now because of poor timeouts/ error handling)
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[21:10:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 4e4e964 06hostmot2-firmware 10build.py 03iselib.py iselib: factor out some stuff from build.py * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e4e964
[21:10:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 930a61b 06hostmot2-firmware 10(6 files in 2 dirs) pin/xml generation: don't require ghdl * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=930a61b
[21:10:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master b25d9e0 06hostmot2-firmware 10iselib.py Drop support for pre-sourcing settings.sh * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=b25d9e0
[21:10:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 200190b 06hostmot2-firmware 10README Update README * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=200190b
[21:10:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master d803bfc 06hostmot2-firmware 04README 03README.md 10debian/rules README: turn into markdown * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=d803bfc
[21:10:43] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 0867f67 06hostmot2-firmware 10(805 files in 3 dirs) clean up top directory * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=0867f67
[21:10:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master c2e3e30 06hostmot2-firmware 10(18 files in 3 dirs) continue topdir cleanup: move python stuff to scripts/ * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2e3e30
[21:10:50] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 7c6b6e0 06hostmot2-firmware 04DESCRIBE 10Makefile 03scripts/DESCRIBE cleanup: move DESCRIBE to scripts/ * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c6b6e0
[21:10:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 9b2bd7d 06hostmot2-firmware 10scripts/DESCRIBE DESCRIBE: use git describe --dirty * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b2bd7d
[21:10:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 9e2a383 06hostmot2-firmware 10Makefile error early if settings.sh was loaded * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e2a383
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[21:25:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 1daa3c6 06hostmot2-firmware 10Makefile clean topdir: create the firmware .mk file in fw/ * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=1daa3c6
[21:25:38] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master f514647 06hostmot2-firmware 10src/idrom_tools.vhd xml/PIN files: describe pktuart properly * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=f514647
[21:25:38] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 3f144f2 06hostmot2-firmware 10src/idrom_tools.vhd remove outdated comment * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f144f2
[21:25:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Boris Skegin 05master 5d091a0 06hostmot2-firmware 03src/PIN_PktUART1inst_34.vhd Example of one PktUART instance * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d091a0
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[21:36:56] <hm2-buildmaster> build #49 of build is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/hm2-buildbot/builders/build/builds/49 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[21:36:58] <hm2-buildmaster> build #50 of build is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/hm2-buildbot/builders/build/builds/50 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>, Boris Skegin <boris.skegin.de@gmail.com>
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[21:56:57] <jepler> hmm first build error looks like it's buildbot's fault, second is mine
[21:58:07] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 786f003 06hostmot2-firmware 10Makefile build: must create fw/ before placing files there * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=786f003
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[22:19:05] <hm2-buildmaster> build #51 of build is complete: Failure [4failed build-debian-package] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/hm2-buildbot/builders/build/builds/51 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
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[22:32:04] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 9106c72 06hostmot2-firmware 10Makefile build: fix package build error * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=9106c72
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[22:47:53] <JT-Shop> j1900 has +-37us latency running all afternoon
[22:53:40] <hm2-buildmaster> build #52 of build is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/hm2-buildbot/builders/build/builds/52 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[22:56:37] <jepler> OK now back to a bit seb has to look into
[22:56:46] <jepler> seb_kuzm1nsky: ^^^ if you have a chance, can you look into this?
[23:02:07] seb_kuzm1nsky is now known as seb_kuzminsky
[23:02:13] <seb_kuzminsky> whoops, i know what that is
[23:02:18] * seb_kuzminsky goofed
[23:10:20] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: thank you for looking into it
[23:10:33] <jepler> you can see from the above that I did my share of goofing too
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[23:14:15] <seb_kuzminsky> it happens
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[23:15:23] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i poked the hm2 buildmaster config and triggered a rebuild of the most recent build, i'll check in on it from the hackspace in a few hours
[23:15:26] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[23:56:17] <dgarr> jepler: in case you want to look at it:
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/0001-glcanon.py-is_lathe-is-a-function.patch