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[13:05:43] <jepler> jthornton: (there was already a manpage on axis-remote)
[13:11:19] <jthornton> yes, I know but the man pages are not in the pdf documents so maybe I should leave it out of the html docs
[13:13:19] <jthornton> I wish there was a way to just have the man pages in the pdf docs...
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[13:29:22] <jepler> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/pdf/LinuxCNC_Manual_Pages.pdf
[13:30:11] <jepler> but do what you gotta do
[13:32:04] <jthornton> oh I see that now... hmm no index
[13:32:17] <jthornton> what builds that pdf?
[13:34:54] <jthornton> I think I see where it is done in the Submakefile
[13:35:17] <jepler> yes, the groff program has a mode which turns manual pages into pdf
[13:35:21] <jepler> and ps2pdf turns it into a pdf
[13:35:59] <jthornton> groff -t -rC1 -rD1 -Tps -man $(PDF_MAN_ORDER)) \ | ps2pdf - $@
[13:44:06] <mozmck> jepler: I did not realize until more recently that stepgen limits acceleration. Would this not then make the gantry component have a limit on acceleration and make the statement in the manpage incorrect?
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/gantry.9.html
[13:45:30] <jepler> mozmck: key word is *commanded* velocity. The commanded velocity drops instantly. Stepgen acceleration limits will ramp down speed but leave you at a somewhat indeterminate position.
[13:46:21] <mozmck> based on the stepgen acceleration
[13:46:43] <mozmck> But there is a limit on acceleration though right?
[13:47:41] <mozmck> And if the homing move is using the same acceleration, then the overshoot of the last joint should be the same as the rest I would think...
[13:48:29] <jepler> The statement "the commanded velocity drops intantly" is correct and I would not delete it.
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[13:48:55] <mozmck> true - I was just thinking about the "with no limit on acceleration" statement.
[13:49:52] <jepler> the statement is about the commanded velocity and commanded acceleration.
[13:51:03] <mozmck> I see.
[13:52:59] <mozmck> maybe the statement could be changed to something like: "... with no commanded limit on acceleration. However the stepgen component will limit acceleration to the maximum allowed for each joint."
[13:54:00] <jepler> will you also add a statement describing what happens if there are servos controlled by a PID loop? Or a PID-stepper system like pcw recommends for hostmot2 instead of software stepgen?
[13:55:32] <mozmck> :-) I don't know enough about the servos - do they have acceleration in the component(s)? I'm using the PID-stepper system pcw recommends, and I assume it still uses the acceleration I set for each stepgen?
[13:56:14] <jepler> The point I'm trying to make is, gantry.9 is not the place to describe how each different possible system responds to a step change in velocity
[13:57:05] <jepler> jthornton: there is some kind of index / table of contents system in groff but I haven't figured out how to make it work yet
[13:57:15] <mozmck> I see. And I don't know enough to describe that either. Oh well, at least it's a little more clear in my mind :-) Thanks for the chat.
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[13:57:51] <jthornton> jepler: I'll look into that
[13:58:10] <jthornton> now that I know where it is being created
[13:59:49] <jepler> jthornton:
https://www.gnu.org/software/groff/manual/html_node/ms-TOC.html says to use several macros starting .X to create index entries, but those aren't normally used in manual pages; then .TC to print the table of contents at the very end of the document
[14:00:37] <jepler> > The Groff and Friends HOWTO includes a sed script that automatically inserts XS and XE macro entries after each heading in a document.
[14:00:56] <jepler> might dig this thing up and see if it can be adapted to our needs
[14:01:05] <jepler> afk
[14:01:11] <jthornton> ok, thanks
[14:05:51] <jthornton> gotta run and get a rescued cat that someone dumped near a friends place... bbl
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[14:40:59] <jepler> all I can find is a pdf version, and the scripts themselves are substantial and do not bear a license granting permission to modify or distribute. argh.
http://troff.org/TheGroffFriendsHowto.pdf
[14:41:46] <jepler> oh wait there is GPL permission for the whole document, so that's good
[14:42:55] <jepler> well it's a muddled permission
[14:43:29] <jepler> > This document is copyright by the author, who grants all readers a non-exclusive right to cop yand to distribute it without compensation under the terms of the GNU General Public Licence.
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