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[05:08:56] <linuxcnc-build> build #1137 of 4015.deb-wheezy-rtpreempt-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4015.deb-wheezy-rtpreempt-amd64/builds/1137 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>, Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, Jan Mr?zek
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[05:12:50] <alfro_> I am novice so please forgive me for dumb query but what is the diff between linuxCNC and machinekit?
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[05:41:14] <linuxcnc-build> build #214 of 4017.5.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
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[16:11:56] <seb_kuzminsky> win 4
[16:11:58] <seb_kuzminsky> whoops
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[16:16:06] * jepler wonders what's so much better about window 4 than this window
[16:18:25] * cradek wonders what's wrong with seb's alt key
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[17:13:41] <seb_kuzminsky> window 4 has #yosys in it
[17:14:18] <seb_kuzminsky> also, the alt key on my mac keyboard doesnt pass through ssh from work to the screen session on my home machine for some reason
[17:14:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm a mess, i know it
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[17:37:04] <cradek> sorry, I can't parse "mac ... work"
[17:38:00] <jepler> *whispers* ESC is meta
[17:38:26] <cradek> do they have escape keys?
[17:38:36] <jepler> oh for all I know, no
[17:38:53] <cradek> can't you just plug your Model M into it?
[17:39:58] <jepler> now we're just being mean to him
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[17:42:52] <seb_kuzminsky> i have no pride left
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[18:30:03] <PCW> hmm are jog inputs to motion bounded by accel limits?
[18:31:57] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, should be
[18:32:13] <seb_kuzminsky> but only if you jog using Model M keyboards
[18:33:29] <cradek> you mean the wheel?
[18:34:10] <cradek> ... yes wheel jogs obey all the constraints
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[18:38:39] <PCW> hmm trying to figure out why a person on the forum gets stepgen following errors when jogging
[18:39:52] <cradek> what version?
[18:45:17] <PCW> I think 2.7.4
[18:45:59] <cradek> hm ok. (earlier versions often used lower than full acceleration and could hide marginal problems)
[18:46:08] <PCW> looks ok (just tried 1 inch jog with halcmd)
[18:46:31] <cradek> is he in stepgen position or velocity mode?
[18:46:48] <PCW> velocity with PID
[18:47:15] <cradek> you think the tuning is right?
[18:47:53] <PCW> Yeah P=1000 (for 1 KHz servo thread) and FF1 = 1
[18:49:04] <cradek> do you have a plot of what happens?
[18:49:12] <PCW> maybe something funky with function order or clocks
[18:49:26] <PCW> No that's the next step
[18:49:41] <cradek> I do realize I'm asking obvious questions
[18:50:06] <seb_kuzminsky> it'd be cool if something kept a record of the past 10 seconds or so of motion inputs & output, and wrote it to a file on estop/ferror
[18:50:26] <PCW> i can get < 2 uInch FE on the PID stepgen with 1G accell and 2400IPM
[18:50:54] <PCW> so something is definately funky
[18:52:02] <PCW> yeah a record, also FE limit for warning and separate FE limit for fault would be nice
[18:52:38] <PCW> even just recording the peak FE would be helpful
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[20:35:35] <jepler> so what do we want in the forum -- multi-minute post times, or e-mails (particularly sign-up and password reset messages) that don't make it to people on widely-used e-mail providers such as *cough* microsoft
[20:37:21] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd prefer correctness (email to everyone) over performance in this case
[20:37:41] <cradek> I'm afraid I disagree
[20:37:54] <cradek> multi-minute pauses when posting make the forum unusable
[20:38:25] <cradek> it's better if it's usable for people who have successfully signed up, but X% of people have some trouble signing up
[20:40:00] <cradek> is there some kind of alternate routine that X% of people can use to sign up?
[20:40:15] <jepler> cradek: sure, use a different e-mail account
[20:40:20] <cradek> yeah even if it's "use gmail"
[20:40:37] <cradek> maybe if we can let them know that, we could call it fixed
[20:40:52] <seb_kuzminsky> i for one would not create a new email account in order to create a new forum account
[20:41:01] <jepler> the signup page did say something to that effect briefly, though I took it down when I made it start sending outgoing mails via gmail
[20:41:10] <cradek> sure but you also wouldn't use a shittacular service as your only email
[20:41:37] <cradek> I think people who use these free accounts tend to have several because of how bad they are
[20:42:02] <seb_kuzminsky> the people who signed up for email when hotmail was a reaonable choice probably often are not savvy enough to sign up for a newer one
[20:42:14] <jepler> heck I figured out how to sign up for gmail
[20:42:19] <jepler> I bet other people can too
[20:42:20] <seb_kuzminsky> (that's my hunch/prejudice)
[20:42:39] <cradek> breaking the forum for everyone to make it easier on those few people seems unacceptable to me
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[20:43:00] <cradek> the tradeoff sucks, I know
[20:44:00] <cradek> there's a third option: some sisyphus among us could try to contact microsoft and tell them to fix it
[20:44:11] <jepler> ha hah hooohooohoo ha wheeee
[20:44:15] <seb_kuzminsky> \/disconnect
[20:44:43] <cradek> I hear they're responsive if you work at google
[20:45:22] <jepler> > Removal assistance fee is typically $350.00. Please see our email blacklist removal service page for more details.
[20:45:26] <jepler> you can just contact these people
[20:46:23] <cradek> /topic <jepler> ha hah hooohooohoo ha wheeee
[20:49:12] <jepler> I am also worried that if flo keeps bumping up against gmail's rate limiting, they will take some next step against what they regard as an ill-behaved system
[20:49:25] <cradek> that seems really likely
[20:49:36] <cradek> and it is one - gmail is not for that
[20:50:11] <cradek> it was an extremely clever hack, but it's just not going to work
[20:52:49] <jepler> .. I've changed it back and put back the warning on the sign-up page
[20:52:54] <jepler> "Some e-mail provders, notably hotmail / outlook / Microsoft-based services reject e-mails from forum.linuxcnc.org. If your normal e-mail address doesn't receive the e-mail necessary to complete the signup, use another e-mail provider such as gmail. As of 2016-03-28, gmail consistently delivers sign-up and password reset e-mails."
[20:53:19] <seb_kuzminsky> you rock
[20:53:50] <jepler> I'm doing my best at a task I don't want
[20:54:19] <seb_kuzminsky> you're doing way better at it than all the rest of us
[20:54:56] <jepler> Alert: The community is undergoing scheduled maintenance
[20:55:08] <seb_kuzminsky> and gauging by the amount of traffic on the forum, people appreciate it
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[21:00:38] <skunkworks> https://github.com/synthetos/TinyG/wiki/Jerk-Controlled-Motion-Explained
[21:00:42] <jepler> I think that a good thing to do would be to get a proper spf record published for linuxcnc.org. that might cure some problems.
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[21:03:22] <skunkworks> PCW: wonder if he has poor latency
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[21:03:40] <jepler> >
[21:03:40] <jepler> Are you managing your IP and domain's sending reputation?
[21:03:49] <JT-Shop> PCW: is the hole spacing on the THCAD card 1.6" like the 7i73? (no drawing in the manual)
[21:05:46] <PCW> 1.550 Y 3.800 X
[21:06:20] <JT-Shop> thanks
[21:07:16] <skunkworks> I did have jog wheel issues with name on the k&5
[21:08:09] <skunkworks> K&t that I have not had a chance to figure out... fine with 2.7.4
[21:08:37] <skunkworks> Wow.. *ja
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[22:18:22] <jepler> interesting -- rt-tests cyclictest added the ability to count SMIs
[22:18:30] <jepler> Daniel Bristot de Oliveira has added a hardware SMI count detection using
[22:18:34] <jepler> the MSR/SMI counter if available. Using the --smi option adds the count to
[22:18:38] <jepler> the end of the output, it looks like this (per thread)
[22:18:43] <jepler>
[22:18:47] <jepler> T: 0 ( 2285) P:80 I:1000 C: 9975 Min: 2 Act: 3 Avg: 4 Max: 20831 SMI: 2
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