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[00:05:24] <seb_kuzminsky> ~1 hour for a build, that's about right
[00:07:06] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.7 0000.checkin
[00:07:10] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 1h03m15s]
[00:07:10] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[00:21:56] <skunkworks> zlog
[00:21:56] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2016-03-10.html
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[01:41:14] <linuxcnc-build> build #1757 of 4017.deb-wheezy-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_1] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4017.deb-wheezy-amd64/builds/1757
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[01:59:09] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build 0000.checkin #3968 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[01:59:09] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/3968
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[03:32:02] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=v2.5_branch 0000.checkin
[03:32:03] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 1h27m36s]
[03:32:03] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[05:00:57] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build 0000.checkin #3969 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[05:00:57] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/3969
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[15:43:00] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes12 3cd7b92 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py axis.py onoff_clicked force joint mode #45 'On sim' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cd7b92
[15:43:48] <dgarr> skunkworks: i think this comit fixes the sim example of #45, can you test please
[15:46:01] <jepler> dgarr: my original impulse was to look for a place in task/motion to fix this. can you say something about why do it in each UI instead?
[15:46:03] <dgarr> (i git bisected to isolate, spent hours working on changes in motion/, then tested and found problem did not occur in other guis (tklinuxcnc))
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[15:48:21] <dgarr> i think problem relates to the axis gui's insistence on hiding joints/axes distinctioins from users for identity kins, i understand the reasonihg but it makes everything very complicated in ja
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[15:49:58] <jepler> I agree, in general changes in axis should be made to make machines with nontrivial kinematics work properly.
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[15:53:34] <jepler> I am still concerned about how feedback cartesian position is not tracking motor feedback position in machine off state. Is it your *ahem* position that this is expected behavior?
[15:53:50] <jepler> .. and if you want to see that position changing in machine off state, you switch to joint mode?
[15:55:13] <dgarr> i have no position, if you or anyone else can fix/improve it is fine with me -- it is beyond by capabilities
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[15:58:03] <jepler> thanks for taking the time to discuss it with me.
[15:58:14] <jepler> it seems like this will certainly help skunksleep in the short term
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[16:03:28] <jepler> well I put my thoughts on the bug as well
[16:03:43] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler commented on issue #45: I think another connected issue is how ja doesn't update cartesian feedback position from joint feedback position while in "machine off" mode. ... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/45#issuecomment-195428921
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[16:06:12] <dgarr> jepler: i think thechange i made to onoff_clicked should be done only for IDENTITY, do you agree?
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[16:17:27] <skunkworks> dgarr, thanks - that seems to have fixed it. I will try looking at your config for the jogging issues I have having. (following errors)
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[16:39:45] <jepler> dgarr: I don't know.
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[16:47:30] <dgarr> it does cause unexpected behavior for non-identity kins (ldelta.ini for example) so i will change onoff_clicked
[16:48:15] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes12 3452fef 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py axis.py onoff_clicked joint mode iff identity * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=3452fef
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[18:13:57] <jsskangas> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yy2neBXk
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[18:32:14] <cradek> halui is not realtime
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[18:45:43] <jsskangas_> hello
[18:46:18] <jsskangas_> So I got this IO-card runnig with comedi driver as userspace component
[18:47:24] <jsskangas_> but Im having a add problem, signals from io-card is connected to HALUI to axis jog signals plus and minus
[18:48:01] <jsskangas_> probplem is I gettin sticky buttons and lag from bushing button
[18:48:21] <jsskangas_> compared to actual axis jog movements
[18:48:47] <jsskangas_> but looking these signal from halscope there is no lag or stickyness
[18:50:03] <jsskangas_> I made video when jogging X axis it show halui jog pin, comedidriver pin that is connected to pin jog speed command and axis pos
[18:50:37] <jsskangas_> Jog speed somehow is reletad to this lag an stickyness
[18:51:03] <jsskangas_> I will post link to this video soon
[18:51:10] <jsskangas_> as its get uploaded
[18:52:08] <jsskangas_> Any ideas what could cause this
[18:52:17] <jsskangas_> ?
[18:54:31] <jepler> for jogging, it is preferable to use the realtime inputs to motion rather than the non-realtime inputs to halui
[18:55:34] <jepler> this has more non-realtime bits which can all introduce their own delays: [non-realtime component] - hal pins - [halui] - nml - [task] - shared memory - [realtime motion]
[18:55:44] <jepler> vs [non-realtime component] - hal pins - [realtime motion]
[18:56:50] <jepler> man 9 motion for a reference of pins that motion exports, including motion.* and axis.*. This includes the ability to do activities like jog, but not the ability to do things like change the machine mode like estop/on/off or manual/mdi/auto, so for those you will still need to involve halui
[19:03:53] <jsskangas_> ok jogging pin to motin not to halui?
[19:04:05] <jsskangas_> I will try that this night
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[19:19:00] <jsskangas_> jepler so basicly this means that i need to some how chanke +/- button signal to jog counts?
[19:20:16] <jepler> yes, I guess so.
[19:20:33] <jepler> I don't know whether the realtime inputs to motion have a continuous jog option
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[19:20:37] <jsskangas_> how its done from axis
[19:20:51] <jsskangas_> from keyboard?
[19:20:53] <jepler> [axis] - nml - [task] - shared memory - [realtime motion]
[19:21:08] <jsskangas_> I just need soimilar functionality
[19:21:12] <jepler> of course the X window server, keyboard/mouse driver, etc, are all non-realtime and before axis
[19:21:30] <jepler> what is your base version of linuxcnc?
[19:23:30] <jsskangas_> 2.6.something
[19:23:32] <jsskangas_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d0Cn98bVCA
[19:23:47] <jsskangas_> here is video about this
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[19:24:18] <jsskangas_> note that buttons give signal every time
[19:24:41] <jepler> upgrade to 2.7. we made important improvements in how multiple UIs communicate with task using nml
[19:24:52] <jepler> any 2.7.x version will have these improvements.
[19:25:09] <jsskangas_> I just need good way to connect these signals to jos axis
[19:25:35] <jsskangas_> and easyestr I found was halui jog minus and plus pins
[19:25:44] <jepler> "nml: implement command queue with reliable reception"
[19:25:50] <jsskangas_> just what I need but this lag....
[19:26:13] <jepler> I strongly suspect the lag will be better once you upgrade to a current version
[19:26:37] <jepler> now that I know you are using 2.6 I am not surprised that you are having problems of this nature.
[19:26:40] <jsskangas_> but why keyaboard has no such lag
[19:26:43] <jepler> I belive it's much better in the current version
[19:27:10] <jsskangas_> its not about userspace component
[19:27:19] <jsskangas_> you can see that from video
[19:27:21] <jepler> because halui and axis are two separate programs both communicating with task via nml
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[19:27:32] <jsskangas_> ok
[19:28:01] <jepler> we made improvements of that scenario in particular.
[19:28:14] <jsskangas_> ok really good to know
[19:28:16] <jepler> in 2.6 and earlier, each UI "polls" task to find out if its command has been received. this is unreliable and creates delays
[19:28:29] <jsskangas_> will 2.7 run on 10.04 ubuntu
[19:28:31] <jsskangas_> ?
[19:28:42] <jsskangas_> is there any restrictions
[19:28:55] <jepler> according to
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions yes
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[19:31:22] <jsskangas_> OK, I try to upgrade to 2.7
[19:32:37] <jsskangas_> any documentation for updating
[19:32:39] <jsskangas_> ?
[19:32:53] <jepler> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html
[19:34:42] <jsskangas_> thank
[19:35:18] <jsskangas_> its bottle of good rum and then try that
[19:35:19] <jsskangas_> thanks
[19:42:47] <jepler> more background about the multiple user interfaces over nml problem in 2.6 and earlier, and which we improved in 2.7:
http://mid.gmane.org/20141020115421.GB32102%40unpythonic.net https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/328/
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[19:46:51] <jsskangas> I will check that
[19:55:20] <skunkworks_> zlog
[19:55:21] <zlog> skunkworks_: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2016-03-11.html
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[20:23:11] <automata_> hi... we are looking to tackle display of line numbers and file names while the auto file is running problem
[20:23:43] <automata_> found this document:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LineNumbers
[20:24:00] <automata_> is the document still relevent?
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[20:29:57] <jepler> I don't know.
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[20:41:00] <automata_> from what I am seeing, source context for the motion ID being executed is not available at run time.
[20:41:48] <automata_> so I am trying to put in some effort to get the exact source file and line number for the currently executing file
[20:42:02] <automata_> currently executing line
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[20:42:58] <cradek> automata_: you might want to check out the state-tags-master branch, where a lot more information is passed along with the motions
[20:43:13] <automata_> any guidance on the issue will be much appreciated
[20:43:18] <cradek> it hasn't been merged because it has some problems:
https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/search/?q=labels:"state-tags-master"
[20:43:46] <cradek> also I don't know whether it passes a more-detailed file/line context
[20:43:50] <automata_> looking at it right now
[20:44:48] <automata_> today we deciphered how line numbers are passed to the TP / TC via the interp_list and NML message
[20:50:03] <cradek> that in itself is an accomplishment
[20:52:27] <automata_> i added a source context which is accessible in the executor and can log the line numbers and file numbers as an auto file is executing
[20:56:42] <automata_> seems like rob has done a lot of work on state tags....
[20:57:13] <automata_> any idea why it was not cmpleted / abandoned?
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[21:02:40] <cradek> just because of those bugs, as far as I know. tormach has said a few times they'd look into them, but they must be busy elsewhere.
[21:03:00] <cradek> if you'd like to work on it, that would be wonderful
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