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[00:08:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes12 bd31d87 06linuxcnc New branch with 264 commits pushed, 10532 files changed, 0326551(+), 0421099(-) since master/1d3abeb
[00:10:41] <yland_> jepler: I would like to work on https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/feature-requests/135/ as for https://sour ceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/442/ it seems to have been closed today. From the search I just did I see that gmoccapy is a GUI for linuxcnc so don't really understand the what the project requires
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[00:30:49] <seb_kuzminsky> yland: that looks like a pretty quick easy issue to get started with, go for it
[00:45:22] <jepler> this may also have been added already in linuxcnc's master branch
[00:45:45] <jepler> commit 629916027dfe3a44d712955c26222c928c61a38c
[00:45:49] <jepler> stepconf -add basic Gmoccapy screen option
[01:06:03] <seb_kuzminsky> well good, i guess stepconf is done
[01:07:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i see, yes
[01:07:15] <seb_kuzminsky> there's a couple of radio buttons, "use Axis" or "use Gmoccapy"
[01:07:26] <seb_kuzminsky> might be nice to have a pulldown menu of all the guis we have, instead
[01:09:22] <seb_kuzminsky> i think lui would be a good student project
[01:09:33] <seb_kuzminsky> compartmentalized, outside the critical path, testable
[01:10:48] <seb_kuzminsky> depending on student interest, of course
[01:10:50] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[03:42:24] <seb_kuzminsky> well the shopbot didn't blow up with ja12
[03:42:40] <seb_kuzminsky> all the things i'd whined to dgarr about work fine now
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[07:44:47] <cmorley> The gmoccapy py option is stepconf is suboptimal ... there are defaults that should be handled for a better user experience. such as GLADE panels...Gmoccapy can't use pyvcp panels... so there is still work that can be done. Norbert could advise
[07:45:42] <cmorley> yland_ ^^^
[07:45:49] <cmorley> Night
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[14:10:23] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yay! ja12
[14:15:08] <jepler> and of course dgarr yay ja12
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[16:18:15] <seb_kuzminsky> alphago 1, sedol 0
[16:18:18] <seb_kuzminsky> it's the end of an era
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[16:55:23] <jepler> I'll wait until at least the second game to give up on humanity
[16:55:49] <jepler> but I think we should take heart that skynet is content to beat us at go, and not commit genocide as predicted in movies.
[16:56:44] <pcw_home> so far...
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[17:26:28] <skunkworks__> llog
[17:26:30] <skunkworks__> zlog
[17:26:31] <zlog> skunkworks__: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2016-03-09.html
[17:29:03] <skunkworks__> I am trying to get ja12 running on the K&T and a couple issues. joint.4.unlock and joint.4.is_unlocked don't exist. I remarked them out so I could get linuxcnc to load but now am getting
[17:29:22] <skunkworks__> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/bin/arduino", line 56, in <module> c['analog-in-%02d-gain' % port] = 1.0 SystemError: null argument to internal routine ./hm2-servo.hal:879: waitpid failed arduino arduino ./hm2-servo.hal:879: arduino exited without becoming ready
[17:29:51] <seb_kuzminsky> the arduino problem is not ja's fault
[17:30:10] <seb_kuzminsky> the joint pins missing might be, or maybe a bug in the update_ini script?
[17:30:12] <skunkworks__> the arduino stuff works on the installed version of linuxcnc (22.7.4)
[17:30:17] <skunkworks__> 2.7.4
[17:30:53] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, can you paste the converted hal file?
[17:32:26] <skunkworks__> I could remark it all out...
[17:32:29] <skunkworks__> hold on
[17:33:33] <jepler> skunkworks__: it would be good to discover whether the arduino script you are using is broken in master, or just in ja.
[17:33:39] <jepler> it seems unlikely for it to be ja's fault
[17:36:11] <skunkworks__> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/testing/config/KandTzeroJA12.tar.gz
[17:37:01] <jepler> I bet the most likely commit to have caused breakage is 2b6c8ad7102
[17:38:17] <jepler> >>> import hal
[17:38:17] <jepler> >>> c = hal.component("bob")
[17:38:20] <jepler> >>> c.newparam("g", hal.HAL_FLOAT, hal.HAL_RW)
[17:38:22] <jepler> >>> c['g'] = 1.0
[17:38:24] <jepler> SystemError: null argument to internal routine
[17:38:31] <jepler> I'll file a github issue
[17:38:40] <seb_kuzminsky> great
[17:38:46] <skunkworks__> that is the converted ini/hals.. Also the conversion script used to run automatically.. It doesn't now? http://imgur.com/1pHmDcz
[17:39:27] <skunkworks__> Thank you!
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[17:41:30] <jepler> skunkworks__: do you have a github account?
[17:42:46] <skunkworks__> I do not yet. Linuxcnc launched - now to see why the locking pins are not there
[17:43:02] <skunkworks__> The B axis is.
[17:43:03] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks__: the pin is named ".is-unlocked", not ".is_unlocked"
[17:43:06] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler opened issue #43: python hal module broken badly in master branch 02https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/43
[17:43:31] <jepler> skunkworks__: ok. if you did, you could subscribe to that issue but you'll hear about it here if I get around to closing it so nbd
[17:43:49] <jepler> .. but I can't work on it right now. ping me, the breakage is almost certainly my fault.
[17:44:08] <seb_kuzminsky> looks like motion needs an "unlock_joints_mask" argument now, but doesn't get it from the ini file
[17:44:50] <seb_kuzminsky> in master, axes 3-5 (the rotaries) all get the locking pins always
[17:45:01] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll open a github issue for that one
[17:46:39] <skunkworks__> the lock pins don't exist in ja it looks like
[17:47:55] <skunkworks__> or does LOCKING_INDEXER = 1 need to be in the joint section?
[17:48:15] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks__: try changing your hm2-servo.hal loadrt line that loads EMCMOT, add "unlock_joints_mask=0x10"
[17:50:54] <skunkworks__> That did it
[17:52:11] <skunkworks__> I can't start the K&T at the moment.. Baby sleeping
[17:52:22] <skunkworks__> see then if it homes and such
[17:53:24] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15SebKuzminsky opened issue #44: ja: motion's joint locking hal pins missing 02https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/44
[17:53:50] <seb_kuzminsky> the K&T has sure found a lot of bugs :-)
[17:55:40] <skunkworks__> :)
[17:56:08] <skunkworks__> It was a long time running master.. now it runs released perfectly
[17:57:36] <seb_kuzminsky> time to break it again with a bunch of experimental code :-)
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[18:06:38] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 78e6972 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/halmodule.cc halmodule: Fix 'SystemError: null argument to internal routine' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=78e6972
[18:06:46] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[18:06:57] <jepler> yay for getting something done in the first 5 minutes of lunch
[18:07:37] <seb_kuzminsky> i swear ^V is responsible for more bugs than any other ascii code
[18:12:24] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15cradek closed issue #43: python hal module broken badly in master branch 02https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/43
[18:14:10] <skunkworks__> Do i need to test master?
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[18:45:32] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks__: that wouldn't hurt
[18:46:12] <skunkworks__> in the process..
[18:47:19] <skunkworks__> did you see my question about the conversion utility?
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[18:49:30] <skunkworks__> if you run an old config from the config picker - you get the above error.
[18:49:38] <skunkworks__> in ja
[18:55:35] <skunkworks__> jepler: seb_kuzminsky: master launches with the arduino loading - thanks
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[19:15:38] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks__: did you get that update_ini usage popup when you tried to run ja12 on an un-converted 2.7 config?
[19:24:42] <skunkworks__> yes
[19:25:13] <skunkworks__> I converted it using the update_ini from command line then
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[19:43:28] <seb_kuzminsky> bummer
[19:51:33] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks__: how did you launch linuxcnc? did you name your ini file ("linuxcnc ../configs/5i20.ini"), "linuxcnc -l", or just "linuxcnc"?
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[20:01:52] <skunkworks__> just linuxcnc
[20:02:28] <skunkworks__> if I recall - it would just popup saying it was going to convert the files
[20:04:00] <skunkworks__> Hmm - the b axis doesn't home...
[20:06:42] <skunkworks__> Ok - joint.4.homed turns true - just doesn't show in axis
[20:08:17] <skunkworks__> The second I try to jog I get a following error
[20:09:29] <skunkworks__> It also doesn't ask if you are 'sure' you want to home - it just homes again
[20:09:48] <skunkworks__> maybe because axis doesn't know it is homes
[20:09:50] <skunkworks__> homed
[20:11:13] <skunkworks__> yes - axis says that it cannot move without being homed (doing a mdi command)
[20:15:25] <skunkworks__> So - axis doesn't know it is homed and for some reason jogging an axis with the jog wheel causes a following error
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[20:18:34] <skunkworks__> The ini constraints look right..
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[20:23:42] <skunkworks__> continuous jogging works
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[20:30:44] <dgarr> skunkworks__: the update_ini doesn't handle locking indexers, instructions for the differences are given at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/doc/scratch/v2.8.0~pre1-ja~joints-axes12~bd31d87/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html#_locking_rotary_indexer_updates_for_joints_axes
[20:31:15] <dgarr> their is also a sim config for comparison: configs/sim/axis/axis_9axis.ini which uses B as a indexer
[20:31:19] <dgarr> bbl
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[20:36:29] <skunkworks__> I added LOCKING_INDEXER_JOINT = 4 to the ini under the B axis (everything else was there) Could it be the issue with there being a joint 3 that is unused?
[20:36:44] <skunkworks__> it still doesn't home axis B in axis
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[21:20:14] <skunkworks__> I can home the b axis by doing a Machine->homing-> home axis B. This then shows the homing target in axis - but wheel jogging still causes instant following errors and but i can command movement through mdi which seems to work
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[21:29:07] <cradek> has a wheel jog ever unlocked?
[21:29:22] <cradek> er, can you jog a locked axis at all? I don't remember how it works
[21:32:30] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks__: so wait, you have axes XYZB, but you have joints 0, 1, 2, and 4? i thought joints were supposed to be 'compact', with no missing ones like 3 in your case
[21:33:52] <skunkworks__> Well - I just took the config and converted it...
[21:34:28] <skunkworks__> Isn't it how the current system works? B is 4
[21:35:11] <skunkworks__> cradek: not jogging the b axis - just thinking that the B axis not being homed was causing some odd issue
[21:35:43] <skunkworks__> I can try to change the config so it is just xyzb 0123
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[21:40:07] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah i think that's an issue with the update script - or with my understanding of how joint numbers work in the ja branch
[21:42:24] <skunkworks__> Oh - that made it so b homed as expected.
[21:42:31] <skunkworks__> Yay
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[21:42:55] <skunkworks__> But wheel jogging is still broken
[21:43:53] <skunkworks__> how do you switch to joint mode?
[21:44:30] <cradek> $
[21:44:33] <skunkworks__> exceeded positive soft limit - hint switch to joint mode and jog off soft limit
[21:45:10] <skunkworks__> I don't think that works with trivkins
[21:45:40] <cradek> oh hmm
[21:46:06] <cradek> maybe the message is misleading
[21:46:13] <cradek> how did you exceed the soft limit in the first place?
[21:46:32] <skunkworks__> I think the wheel jogging did it..
[21:47:25] <skunkworks__> * the wheel jogging did it - I clicked the wheel towards the home position and it somehow overshot
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[21:47:50] <skunkworks__> now - where is the crowbar to release the y brake ;)
[21:48:32] <cradek> hmm
[21:48:44] <cradek> wheel jog sure shouldn't be able to jog past soft limits
[21:49:06] <cradek> with trivkins I wonder if you get joint wheel jog or axis wheel jog
[21:49:51] <skunkworks__> wow - there are issues.
[21:50:11] <skunkworks__> I just slid the Y down and now it won't power back up because of a following error
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[21:50:55] <cradek> maybe command isn't tracking feedback in machine-off like it's supposed to
[21:51:17] <skunkworks__> right
[21:51:55] <skunkworks__> yes - it still thinks it is past the soft limit
[21:53:26] <skunkworks__> http://imgur.com/gJtq0UO
[21:53:47] <skunkworks__> You can see the Y axis is lower than 36...
[21:54:51] <cradek> do you have a smaller safer servo machine to experiment on?
[21:55:00] <skunkworks__> heh - no.
[21:55:05] <cradek> darn
[21:55:37] <skunkworks__> nothing as complete
[21:55:45] <skunkworks__> (home switches and such_
[21:55:49] <cradek> yeah
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[22:00:21] <skunkworks__> It is hooked to joints..
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[22:04:24] <skunkworks__> Hmm changing it to axis.x from joint.0 and so on - I get no wheel jogging
[22:04:43] <cradek> that might be correct for trivkins
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[22:05:06] <cradek> do you have joint limits (for wheel joint jogging to see) in the ini?
[22:05:40] <cradek> oh yeah I guess so, since it says that's the one you exceeded
[22:06:52] <skunkworks__> hold on.. I don't think I have all the places changed
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[22:07:45] <skunkworks__> Hmm - still nothing
[22:12:32] <skunkworks__> I think I may have to give up for the day
[22:13:25] <cradek> thank you for trying it
[22:14:49] <skunkworks__> No problem.
[22:14:56] <skunkworks__> I am good at breaking things
[22:16:22] <skunkworks__> current try http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/testing/config/KandTzeroJA12new.tar.gz
[22:16:48] <jepler> in other big news, a new c/10 orthogonal spaceship in standard "life" rules has been discovered. https://niginsblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/07/new-spaceship-speed-in-conways-game-of-life/ maybe not as big as the go news
[22:17:30] <cradek> with config changes it's hard to tell what's a bug and what's misconfiguration (or also, possibly a bug that misconfiguration isn't caught and giving an error)
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[22:31:47] <skunkworks__> sue
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[22:31:48] <skunkworks__> sure
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[22:35:37] <jepler> holy cow, scaleway has announced bare metal (not virtualized) x86-64, 4 cores, 8GB RAM, 50GB SSD at 12EUR/month
[22:35:50] <jepler> MHz/GHz of the CPUs not stated
[22:36:12] <jepler> and virtualized 2 cores, 2GB RAM, 50GB SSD for 3EUR/month
[22:38:21] <cradek> on a pipe, with a static IP?
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[22:39:09] <jepler> yes
[22:39:26] <cradek> wow
[22:39:29] <jepler> commenters say the CPU is Atom C2750, which is not fast
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[22:40:34] <jepler> 1 public IPv4, "unlimited transfer" 300MBit/s internet bandwidth
[22:40:51] <jepler> or 200Mbit/s on the 3EUR model
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[22:46:00] <jepler> of course, never read the terms. "Users [...] are obligated not to...propagat[e] data, images or sounds that may constitute [...] denigration of [...] good morals or public order"
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[22:58:29] <cradek> so "good morals" is defined elsewhere in the document?
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