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[13:23:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 9c0c076 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.txt Docs: fix command to add a deb * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c0c076
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[15:32:35] <jthornton> any thoughts on the patch I submitted a while ago?
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[15:53:08] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: you around?
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[16:13:55] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: i'm here
[16:14:20] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: the udev thing?
[16:15:35] <seb_kuzminsky> zlog:
[16:15:35] <zlog> seb_kuzminsky: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2016-03-08.html
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[16:17:28] <jthornton> yes
[16:17:50] <mozmck> hi seb_kuzminsky! Have y'all made any progress using the ICE40 fpga?
[16:19:50] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: in my head i had accepted it for 2.7, but reading back in the irc log i see that i said that out loud, sorry
[16:20:05] <seb_kuzminsky> please push it to 2.7
[16:20:34] <jthornton> ok, will do thanks
[16:20:53] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: the (100% open source) icestorm toolchain works really well out of the box
[16:21:22] <seb_kuzminsky> it's packaged for debian sid, but all the source packages build on jessie (and the sid binary packages may install on jessie, i'm not sure)
[16:21:30] <mozmck> That's good! Weren't you looking at using it with linuxcnc?
[16:21:50] <seb_kuzminsky> it blinks lights on the ice40 dev board with like 10 minutes of installing debs and 10 minutes of hacking verilog
[16:22:05] <seb_kuzminsky> there's not a vhdl frontend for it yet, so it can't build the hostmot2 firmware
[16:23:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i've started integrating a gpl vhdl parser i found (
https://github.com/ldoolitt/vhd2vl.git) with the yosys front-end framework, but it's not able to compile anything yet
[16:25:05] <seb_kuzminsky> wip:
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/yosys/tree/vhdl-frontend
[16:25:46] <seb_kuzminsky> what's the software version of New Relationship Energy called? i've got that
[16:28:52] <mozmck> Sounds ambitious!
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[16:32:58] <seb_kuzminsky> the hard part's going to be getting pcw to add a board with a lattice fpga to his lineup ;-)
[16:33:21] <mozmck> I wonder if hostmot2 will even fit in the ice40 tqfp chip? Looks like it is about half as much chip as the xilinx xc6slx9
[16:33:34] <mozmck> does he not like lattice?
[16:34:04] <seb_kuzminsky> mesa's a xilinx shop, i dont know if he dislikes lattice or not
[16:34:40] <seb_kuzminsky> the ice40 has 8k "logic cells" which is i think is comparable to the big 7i43 (400k gates)
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[16:35:58] <mozmck> the largest tqfp chip I saw has only 3520 logic cells.
[16:36:19] <mozmck> If you go with BGA you can get 7680
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[16:37:42] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[16:37:46] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm using this board:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lattice/ICE40HX8K-B-EVN/?qs=ooqgTKD20drSds2K%2FEAnQg%3D%3D
[16:37:54] <seb_kuzminsky> 7680 ~= 8000 ;-)
[16:38:01] <mozmck> yeah
[16:38:42] <seb_kuzminsky> http://www.latticesemi.com/Products/DevelopmentBoardsAndKits/iCE40HX8KBreakoutBoard.aspx
[16:38:49] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 a36dc43 06linuxcnc 10debian/linuxcnc.postinst dpkg: Interfacing with the initscript system from * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a36dc43
[16:38:56] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks jthornton
[16:39:00] <mozmck> a logic cell according to the lattice docs includes a 4-input LUT, D style flip-flop, and carry logic.
[16:39:29] <jthornton> now to figure out why I get this dh_movefiles: debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/linuxcnc/index.html not found (supposed to put it in linuxcnc)
[16:40:14] <mozmck> The spartan-6 has 6-input LUTs - but I'm not really sure what a LUT is or does :-)
[16:40:24] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: as you know, our docs build system is pretty complicated
[16:40:49] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: it's a "look-up table", which is a kind of shorthand for implementing logic circuits
[16:41:13] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: it's possible the index.html it's looking for is one that doesn't get built the same way, and doesn't get installed the same way as the rest
[16:41:28] <seb_kuzminsky> so it might not be included in whatever install command staged the docs in debian/tmp
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[16:42:35] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: the 7i43 uses spartan3
[16:43:30] <mozmck> Ah, ok - I was comparing to the chip on the 7i92
[16:44:06] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm still stuck in 2005
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[16:44:26] <seb_kuzminsky> i think the spartan3 uses 4-input luts
[16:44:33] <seb_kuzminsky>
[16:45:01] <jepler> src/Makefile (or maybe docs/src/Submakefile) needs to put index.html in place inside debian/ by install or cp
[16:45:13] <jepler> .. conditionally on building html documentation being enabled in the first place
[16:45:53] <jepler> install-doc-html is trying to do this with a 'cp -a'...
[16:46:13] <jepler> maybe the destination is not what is desired, or some other problem I would hate to speculate about without actually performing the build with whatever local changes you have
[16:52:25] <JT-Shop> ok thanks I have something to chew on now
[16:53:48] <jepler> .. I don't know whether you're invoking install-doc-html at all
[17:06:22] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: or maybe something like bdale garbee's open source pluto clone could be modified to use the lattice fpga and 2x25 mesa-style connectors,
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/cncfpga
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[17:25:01] <jepler> until somebody figures out what is wrong with the original pluto's epp interface I wouldn't ever ever base anything on it
[17:25:40] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[17:26:30] <cradek> I found an obvious problem, but fixing it didn't help
[17:26:39] <jepler> cradek: hardware-level right?
[17:26:45] <cradek> yeah
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[17:30:05] <pcw_home> I like the Lattice FPGAs, they cover a range that X and A dont ($2.00 small FPGAs that can do some things that aren't done well by uCs )
[17:30:07] <pcw_home> But they are sort of like going back to Spartan2 ( 4LUTS, no multipliers etc)
[17:31:03] <mozmck> hi pcw_home! How does that affect the hostmot2 firmware? Do you use those extra features?
[17:32:44] <pcw_home> The LUTs dont matter (The synthesizer deals with that) probably most that will work with Spartan2 will work with Lattice
[17:33:18] <jepler> I bet the hardware multiplier is used in advanced things like resolvers and not in simple things like stepgens but I could be wrong
[17:33:57] <pcw_home> maybe some specific code thats designed to infer SRL16s might need to change
[17:34:17] <jepler> so if you want to support a modest number of stepgens, encoders, and pwms, I bet you could do worse than adapting hostmot2 to the lattice board and icestorm
[17:34:42] <jepler> but I guess the problem is that icestorm is verilog and not vhdl?
[17:34:47] * jepler hasn't read everything back
[17:34:47] <pcw_home> Yeah all that stuff should work
[17:35:04] <mozmck> jepler: yes, it's verilog
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[18:05:59] <seb_kuzminsky> i've started trying to make a vhdl frontend in my usual halfassed way, and there's a CS student that's doing a vhdl frontend as his masters thesis
[18:06:39] <seb_kuzminsky> https://www.reddit.com/r/FPGA/comments/499b4j/precise_specification_of_synthesizable_vhdl_needed/
[18:07:00] <seb_kuzminsky> the yosys project has chosen to use reddit instead of a mailing list
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[18:07:05] <seb_kuzminsky> the times they are a-changing
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[18:11:38] <seb_kuzminsky> PCW: do you think the 7i43 hm2 firmwares would fit on the lattice iCE40 hx8k?
[18:11:59] <pcw_home> probably most would
[18:12:08] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[18:12:23] <seb_kuzminsky> at least the ones that fit on the 200k part, right? maybe some that go on the 400k part also?
[18:13:29] <pcw_home> I suspect the next smaller Lattice part(~4K) would be fine for anything that fits in a a 5I20
[18:14:15] <pcw_home> the lattice parts are quite similar to Spartan II
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[18:14:35] <seb_kuzminsky> wow, ok
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[18:17:39] <pcw_home> I think only the resolver interface uses the multiplier
[18:17:40] <pcw_home> (well the processor on the Ethernet interface uses it for random number generation but only for bootp)
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[19:09:30] <jepler> pcw_home: I assume the multiplier is exposed in general to the embedded CPUs?
[19:10:16] <pcw_home> Yeah smult and umult instructions
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[19:28:29] <jepler> smult sounds like it should be a food
[19:28:34] <jepler> maybe a hot cereal
[19:30:56] <PCW> smult-o-meal
[19:34:10] <jepler> http://tlt-thelittlethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/smult-1.jpg
[19:34:53] <jepler> möose bites can be nasty
[19:35:10] <PCW> :-)
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[19:39:35] <jepler> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4DOECTm2PAU/TuTa1l9BbMI/AAAAAAAAAfs/pqUsN9izpNs/s1600/Smult+002.JPG
[19:41:00] <jepler> ah, smullen is to eat quickly, to feast on; smult is a present-tense form.
[19:41:10] <jepler> "[he/she] feasted on"
[19:43:55] <yland> Hello my name is Yolande Amate. I am interested in contributing to Linuxcnc for the Google Summer of Code 2016. I have successful built linuxcnc on fedora23 and would like to get some directives on how to move forward.
[19:50:22] <jepler> I see in one of your e-mails you mentioned wanting to improve stepconf. I was an initial developer of stepconf, but I have not worked on it in a very long time. I don't know what specific bugs or enhancements are envisioned for GSoC or in general.
[19:52:09] <jepler> our old tracker lists bug reports and feature requests and you can search them:
https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/feature-requests/search/?q=stepconf https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/search/?q=stepconf
[19:55:36] <jepler> in my opinion, implementing either of these would be good:
https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/feature-requests/135/ https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/442/
[19:56:07] <jepler> bug 442 would have to be implemented on the "joints axes" branch, feature request 135 should be implemented on the master branch.
[19:56:14] <jepler> afk
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[20:17:42] <seb_kuzminsky> hi yland, welcome!
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[21:42:26] <Guest1013> seb_kuzminsky, hello
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[21:45:48] <dgarr> jepler: re 442: 55a2c1a +
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/ja11.txt
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[21:47:37] <jepler> dgarr: noted
[21:47:38] <yland> seb_kuzminsky, hello
[21:48:25] <jepler> dgarr: looks like I can still modify bug status on sf, so I marked that one closed-fixed
[21:49:40] <yland> jepler:sorry I was away for some. I would look at the features . Thanks for the pointers.
[21:50:13] <dgarr> i think i addressed all the sourceforge items for jai (in joints_axes11)
[21:51:06] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: your work on ja is impressive
[21:51:31] <dgarr> so merge it
[21:51:53] <seb_kuzminsky> is it ready to go, you think? every time i try it i run into new bugs almost immediately
[21:52:27] <seb_kuzminsky> which i record, and then you fix them within hours :-)
[21:52:29] <dgarr> if you don't tell what the bugs are how would i or anyone else know
[21:52:29] <cradek> have you filed them?
[21:53:37] <seb_kuzminsky> half of the closed issues on github are ja things i filed and dgarr fixed
[21:53:45] <cradek> that's awesome
[21:54:09] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr, you probably have more experience with ja than any of us, so i ask again: do you think it's ready?
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[21:55:02] <dgarr> my experience is with sims -- i think they are all working to the extent i know what to test
[21:55:22] <jepler> do you run it on your real but trivkins machines?
[21:56:21] <dgarr> i have but not all the time --others have run it including seb
[21:57:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i test ja on a robot arm (with custom kins) and on a gantrykins machine at the hackspace, and each time so far there's been some issue stopping me from deploying it to folks who expect those machines to work
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[21:57:13] <seb_kuzminsky> i have not run it on a trivkins machine yet
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[21:57:49] <dgarr> are there bugs filed for issues that stop deployment?
[21:58:03] <seb_kuzminsky> yes, each time i've had an issue i've filed it
[21:58:14] <dgarr> outstanding bugs?
[21:58:16] <seb_kuzminsky> currently i think there are no open issues
[21:58:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll try it again tonight (tuesday night == hackspace night)
[21:58:46] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll let you know what happens, as always
[21:59:32] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll be interested to know when you (dgarr) switch over to running ja full-time on your machines
[22:01:37] <jepler> dgarr: will you let me know if I can mark all these issues as closed on the old tracker? Not sure if the URL will come through:
https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/?q=!status%3Aclosed-wont-fix+%26%26+!status%3Aclosed-later+%26%26+!status%3Aclosed-accepted+%26%26+!status%3Aclosed-duplicate+%26%26+!status%3Aclosed-out-of-date+%26%26+!status%3Aclosed-rejected+%26%26+!status%3Aclosed-remind+%26%26+!stat
[22:01:43] <jepler> us%3Aclosed-works-for-me+%26%26+!status%3Aclosed+%26%26+!status%3Aclosed-invalid+%26%26+!status%3Aclosed-fixed&limit=25&page=0&sort=ticket_num%20desc&filter={%22_milestone%22%3A[%22joints-axes%22]%2C%22status%22%3A[%22open%22]}&columns-0.name=ticket_num&columns-0.sort_name=ticket_num&columns-0.label=Ticket%20Number&columns-0.active=on&columns-1.name=summary&columns-1.sort_name=summary&columns-1.labe
[22:01:49] <jepler> l=Summary&columns-1.active=on&columns-2.name=_milestone&columns-2.sort_name=custom_fields._milestone&columns-2.label=Milestone&columns-2.active=on&columns-3.name=status&columns-3.sort_name=status&columns-3.label=Status&columns-3.active=on&columns-4.name=assigned_to&columns-4.sort_name=assigned_to_username&columns-4.label=Owner&columns-4.active=on&columns-5.name=reported_by&columns-5.sort_name=report
[22:01:54] <cradek> uh
[22:01:55] <jepler> ed_by&columns-5.label=Creator&columns-5.active=&columns-6.name=created_date&columns-6.sort_name=created_date&columns-6.label=Created&columns-6.active=on&columns-7.name=mod_date&columns-7.sort_name=mod_date&columns-7.label=Updated&columns-7.active=on&columns-8.name=labels&columns-8.sort_name=labels&columns-8.label=Labels&columns-8.active=&columns-9.name=_priority&columns-9.sort_name=_priority&columns
[22:02:01] <jepler> -9.label=Priority&columns-9.active=on
[22:02:03] <jepler> oh geez that'll never work
[22:02:04] <jepler> I am loathe to use URL shorteners, but
https://goo.gl/MBgLPA
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[22:02:52] <seb_kuzminsky> skunksleep: have you tried ja11 on your k&t xyzb machine lately? you had problems a while back
[22:04:54] <dgarr> jepler my list shown earlier is
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/ja11.txt
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[22:06:02] <jepler> dgarr: OK, I'll close those all on sf and if one turns out not to be fully fixed we can make a new issue on the github tracker
[22:06:15] <seb_kuzminsky> good
[22:08:54] <dgarr> i have a branch that updates to current master and can make it available as joints_axes12
[22:10:07] <jepler> afk again
[22:10:28] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: is there much in master since ja11?
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[22:11:39] <dgarr> not much but one merge was awkward for me (canterp stuff that i did non-optimally for a merge)
[22:12:33] <seb_kuzminsky> is ja12 the ja11 branch rebased onto the current (or recent) tip of master? if so i say sure, go ahead and push it since you've done the work already
[22:12:55] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll use that as the basis of my testing tonight. (or ja11, if you haven't pushed ja12 yet then)
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[23:42:53] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: I have not yet - but when I get some time - I will
[23:50:41] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks
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