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[00:01:24] * skunkworks does too.. None of this cross country crap.. down hill only.
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[00:09:32] * JT-Shop used to do cross country way back when living in Alaska
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[00:16:37] <andypugh> I like ski mountaineering.
[00:17:04] <andypugh> (Randonée / Alpine touring)
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[00:22:12] <jepler> tinkerer: odroid u3 had spi. I've driven a mesa 7i90 with it.
[00:22:30] <jepler> linuxcnc.org doesn't build cross-development toolchains, ugh the very thought chills me
[00:23:49] <jepler> tinkerer: board-specific zip files from mesanet.com are the most official place for hostmot2 board firmwares. we build firmwares for a subset of peter's boards and host them on linuxcnc.org, emphasis on the boards with volatile firmwares. debian package name hostmot2-firmware*
[00:29:17] <tinkerer> jepler: a little misunderstanding. I meant the place where the firmwares are stored for uploading to the boards.
[00:30:36] <tinkerer> ie: I use this string static char *firmware = ""; // if this is empty, no firmware upload will be performing (ie. for CPLD or Config Rom) RTAPI_MP_STRING(firmware, "Firmware Path");
[00:31:08] <jepler> oh
[00:31:17] <tinkerer> and a default path would be nice
[00:31:18] <jepler> that's specified in the hostmot2 manpage
[00:31:45] <jepler> search down for the section beginning
[00:31:47] <jepler> firmware [optional]
[00:32:34] <tinkerer> for the pluto board? :D
[00:32:54] <jepler> oh pluto board, that damn thing
[00:33:02] <jepler> that firmware is built in at compile time
[00:33:16] <tinkerer> yes i know
[00:35:26] <tinkerer> I mean a generalized place where all the firmwares are have to be stored like /lib/firmware... or so
[00:36:20] <jepler> rtapi_request_firmware / rtapi_release_firmware APIs are only minimally documented
[00:36:35] <jepler> but they operate much like the kernel APIs request_firmware / release_firmware
[00:36:41] <jepler> including the default path
[00:37:01] <jepler> pull request to improve the manual page appreciated
[00:39:52] <tinkerer> ok, but where are the firmwares copied with make install?
[00:40:21] <jepler> for pluto?
[00:40:59] <jepler> in linuxcnc.org's 2.7 or master branch?
[00:41:11] <tinkerer> no matter general
[00:41:31] <tinkerer> pick both ;)
[00:42:05] <jepler> If a particular driver uses rtapi_request_firmware / rtapi_release_firmware, then it will search in the path that those APIs define
[00:42:09] <jepler> which is /lib/firmware or so
[00:42:31] <tinkerer> ok, and in linuxcnc?
[00:42:37] <jepler> however, pluto does not use this API, it incorprates the firmware directly into the hal component .ko/.so file
[00:42:48] <tinkerer> yes i know this!
[00:42:50] <jepler> as far as I remember without grepping, only mesa uses this API
[00:43:05] <jepler> I am sorry that I am not understanding your question,.
[00:43:34] <tinkerer> I'am writing on a driver based on pluto
[00:44:03] <jepler> If you want to load a firmware, I encourage you to write your driver to use rtapi_request_firmware / rtapi_release_firmware
[00:44:06] <tinkerer> and on the pluto driver respect...
[00:44:16] <tinkerer> aha
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[00:50:21] <tinkerer> it means that "make install" copies the firmwares to /lib/firmware
[00:50:30] <tinkerer> is this correct?
[00:50:51] <jepler> right now there is no firmware installed by "make install"
[00:51:34] <jepler> because pluto is built-in to the component, and mesa is installed from a different package (hostmot2-firmware)
[00:52:00] <jepler> but yes, "make install" should put the firmware file in its correct location where rtapi_request_firmware will find it
[00:52:26] <jepler> but there is an additional wrinkle for users with "run in place" systems, so some alternate method needs to be provided for them.
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[00:54:33] <tinkerer> yes this would be my next question
[00:55:10] <jepler> fpga firmware images require proprietary software to build, and so placing them inside our source tree is a problem for a long-term goal we have, which is a source tree which complies with the Debian Free Software Guidelines, and might some day allow linuxcnc to be in the debian "main" archive.
[00:56:06] <jepler> Even though I made the mistake with pluto to put the firmware file directly in the linuxcnc source tree, I would prefer not to see that mistake repeated again. What we have done with hostmot2-firmware, to separate out software that is related to LinuxCNC but cannot meet DFSG, I think is a better way
[00:56:33] <jepler> (that software might eventually be able to be in debian's "non-free" section)
[00:56:43] <tinkerer> yes
[00:58:08] <tinkerer> but would this mean that the hostmot driver does not work after just a git clone?
[00:58:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder why the armhf sim deb builders are disabled
[00:59:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if my git historyy will tell me?
[00:59:40] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I bet you didn't like waiting for it
[00:59:51] <seb_kuzminsky> comment out wheezy-armhf for now
[00:59:57] <seb_kuzminsky> wow thanks, guy
[00:59:59] <jepler> .. particularly the doc-building part
[01:00:01] <jepler> hi seb_kuzminsky
[01:00:06] <seb_kuzminsky> hi :-)
[01:00:13] <seb_kuzminsky> it's doing rip, so it already builds the docs
[01:00:15] <seb_kuzminsky> once
[01:00:55] <jepler> tinkerer: right, a user with a hostmot2 card with volatile firmware, such as the venerable 5i20, has to install the firmware, such as by installing the hostmot2-firmware package.
[01:01:08] <jepler> or by manually installing a file in a .zip from peter into /lib/firmware
[01:01:18] <tinkerer> aha ok
[01:01:24] <jepler> hostmot2 is at a level of maturity where these files change rarely so that's fine for the majority of users
[01:02:19] <tinkerer> this clarifying it
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[01:05:38] <tinkerer> the point is, fpga boards are very polymorph and it's a feature loading different firmwares/behaviors with the driver
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[01:08:32] <tinkerer> IMHO your approach with the pluto is a good idea
[01:09:42] <tinkerer> ok was ;)
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[04:11:57] <jepler> http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=18683
[04:12:00] <jepler> oooh
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[04:14:03] <jepler> 64-bit ARM, and this time the (gigabit) MAC is in the SoC, not off in USB, and a nice price point ($40 without eMMC)
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[04:15:34] <jepler> said to be using the 3.14 kernel, which has an RT patch
[04:17:53] <jepler> .. I think I want one!
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[04:25:20] <CaptHindsight> and with ARM Mali™-450 MP3 GPU
[04:26:15] <CaptHindsight> and hopefully no hiccups with hm2_eth
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[12:44:30] <skunkworks> I am sure it will get better - but it sure seems like steve is trying to hit a moving target..
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,31834.0.html
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[13:07:59] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 59e5b75 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/hm2_eth.9 Docs: add supported boards * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=59e5b75
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[14:33:03] <mozmck1> I've had some take days to show up
[14:33:21] <mozmck1> JT-Shop: did you try the my preempt-rt kernel?
[14:34:04] <mozmck1> I built 32-bit linuxcnc 2.7.3+ packages and put them in with the kernel.
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[14:36:59] <JT-Shop> hmmm, I think so... I know I used the linuxcnc 2.7.3 packages
[14:37:14] * JT-Shop goes down to the beer cave and see what he did
[14:40:16] <jthornton> I think I still have the stock kernel running, I'll reboot in a bit and switch
[14:42:38] <mozmck1> ok - I didn't know if you saw my linuxcnc packages or not. I uploaded them yesterday I think.
[14:43:03] <mozmck1> Should save you from having to build them yourself.
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[16:39:03] <cradek> > Seddddddsssdsssssssssdds
[16:39:11] <cradek> I think cmorley's cat responded to an email :-)
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https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/33
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