#linuxcnc-devel | Logs for 2016-01-13

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[00:00:06] <micges> it builds here on ubu 10.04
[00:00:31] <JT-Shop> I'll get a fresh copy in the morning and try again
[00:00:33] <JT-Shop> thanks
[00:00:48] <micges> ok
[00:01:12] <JT-Shop> this mean anything /usr/include/bits/stdio2.h:203: error: declaration of C function ‘int vdprintf(int, const char*, char*)’ conflicts with
[00:01:13] <JT-Shop>
[00:01:50] <JT-Shop> /usr/include/bits/stdio2.h:203: confused by earlier errors, bailing out
[00:02:05] <micges> just copy linuxcnc dev dir somewhere, do 'git reset --hard; git clean -xdf' and you'll have clean source dir
[00:02:20] <micges> without net needed
[00:02:29] <JT-Shop> ok thanks
[00:09:15] <JT-Shop> make is working properly now
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[02:36:31] <skunkworks> task: main loop took 1393.616007 secondsjoint 2 following error
[02:36:54] <skunkworks> (sim - laptop went to sleep) ;)
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[03:16:22] <cmorley> skunkworks: well we should thank jepler! thanks for testing panelui again.
[03:18:04] <jepler> JT-Shop: what OS version are you using, earlier when you had the error building and one of the (non-fatal) messages was emc/task/taskmodule.cc:228: warning: expected [error|warning|ignored] after ‘#pragma GCC diagnostic’
[03:20:17] <jepler> looks like that warning would occur on 10.04, and you were trying to test a bugfix for a stable version so maybe I shouldn't worry about it
[03:20:33] <jepler> .. "pragma GCC diagnostic push" is only in gcc 4.6 and newer, but 10.04 has gcc 4.04
[03:20:36] <jepler> er, 4.4
[03:21:06] <jepler> that final error is pretty weird, no clue what is going on there.
[03:21:28] <jepler> > The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.
[03:22:06] <jepler> maybe a hardware problem, or maybe just needs a reboot (ugh)
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[11:13:43] <jthornton> on my test computer for uspace I've installed wheezy with no root password and following the instructions for installing on debian wheezy with preempt rt kernel
[11:14:24] <jthornton> and sudo apt-get install linux-image-rt-686-pae returns unable to locate package linux-image-rt-686-pae
[11:14:31] <jthornton> did the name change?
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[13:39:16] <jepler> that is the correct package name for wheezy when you started with a 32-bit install. https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-rt-686-pae
[13:39:35] <jepler> if you started with a 64-bit install, it would be https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-rt-amd64
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[13:42:20] <jepler> otherwise, check whether you can install any packages with apt; maybe the installer left you with a busted apt installation. at least at some times in the past, if the network wasn't configured properly during installation this would happen.
[13:43:48] <jepler> .. do additional troubleshooting, such as use apt-cache search to find out package names that are available, apt-cache policy to show where the package would be downloaded from, etc
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[13:47:29] <JT-Shop> yes it's a 32bit install
[13:48:18] <JT-Shop> do I need to say apt-get install https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-rt-686-pae
[13:48:27] <jepler> no
[13:48:39] <jepler> that page is for humans
[13:48:55] <jepler> it is my way of saying, "yes there is a debian package with that name in wheezy, you can go look at information about it"
[13:48:58] <jepler> afk
[13:49:03] <JT-Shop> ok
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[14:11:50] <micges> JT-Shop: any progress with sserial problem?
[14:15:00] <JT-Shop> got make to work, now I need to change the mask and run make again. Didn't have much free time yesterday
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[14:28:08] <micges> ok
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[14:48:04] <JT-Shop> zlog
[14:48:04] <zlog> JT-Shop: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2016-01-13.html
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[15:46:30] <cradek> jepler: the linuxcnc wheezy cd gives you a correct sources.list no matter how the network is while you install
[15:46:59] <cradek> where correct to me means it'll be right when you later get hooked up to the network
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[16:00:44] <jepler> cradek: thanks for that info. I have lost track of whether JT-Shop is working on instructions starting with debian install media or linuxcnc.org install media.
[16:01:29] <cradek> I guess I don't know either
[16:02:22] <cradek> I dislike their assumption that you will never have a network if you don't have one at install time, so I hacked around it
[16:03:20] <cradek> speaking of which, is it time to try to make a new linuxcnc cd with jessie and seb's rtai kernel?
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[16:16:29] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i'm not sure yet
[16:16:40] <seb_kuzminsky> it keeps crashing on the buildbot vm
[16:16:47] <cradek> heck
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[16:29:55] <seb_kuzminsky> i've had some emails with rtai.org about it, but nothing's really come of it
[16:30:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont know how much of it is from my garage being cold (i had some non-rtai VMs flake out around the same time)
[16:30:59] <seb_kuzminsky> or how much is from it being a VM, and maybe not obeying the kinds of timing assumptions that rtai makes?
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[16:31:46] <seb_kuzminsky> or how much is from my kernel config being somehow bad (though i think paolo looked at it, and he didnt tell me about any mistakes)
[16:31:52] <JT-Shop> I'm back to following the manual using stock debian wheezy
[16:32:22] <JT-Shop> micges: just got back and tried the mask and got http://gnipsel.com/files/bp/1-13-16.txt
[16:33:15] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 7576756 06linuxcnc 03debian/extras/lib/udev/rules.d/99-shuttlexpress.rules 10debian/extras/linuxcnc.files 10docs/man/man1/shuttlexpress.1 include udev rule file for ShuttleXpress USB jog pendant * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7576756
[16:39:59] <JT-Shop> this is the result from sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --sserial http://gnipsel.com/files/bp/5i25-info.txt
[16:43:32] <jepler> huh here's some weird behavior from limit3: https://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/limit3-badbehavior.png
[16:43:50] <jepler> I wonder how it totally misseshalf the transitions in the signal it's supposed to track
[16:44:30] <cradek> oh dear
[16:44:47] <cradek> is it only when the period just matches?
[16:45:48] <jepler> that screenshot was with maxa = 14
[16:46:02] <jepler> at maxa = 16, it never misses a direction change
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[16:47:18] <maxcnc> Hi where is the .axis_preferences locadet in the system
[16:47:20] <jepler> with maxa still lower you can get other behaviors, like being nearly 180 degrees out of phase
[16:48:17] <jepler> maxcnc: with the git source, you can use "git grep" to begin to answer a question like that
[16:48:21] <jepler> jepler@parrot:~/local/src/linuxcnc$ git grep -F .axis_preferences
[16:48:21] <jepler> src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py: self.fn = os.path.expanduser("~/.axis_preferences")
[16:49:15] <maxcnc> "~/.axis_preferences" is this the home location
[16:49:24] <maxcnc> is this hidden
[16:49:47] <jepler> did you mean "located" or "loaded"? I thought you were saying the latter.
[16:50:06] <jepler> ~ is shorthand for "the user's home directory". Many programs hide files when the names begin with ".", it's a common convention in unix.
[16:50:14] <maxcnc> i want to change a default value that is in the file but i cand find it
[16:50:39] <jepler> every setting in that file can be changed by a menu item or keypress in the AXIS program.
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[16:51:31] <cradek> maxcnc: what problem are you trying to solve? it sounds like you are on the wrong track and maybe we can help
[16:51:44] <jepler> https://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/limit3-more-weird-behavior.png
[16:52:05] <jepler> maybe limit3's algorithm is just not very good in the case where it can't fully track its input signal :-/
[16:52:58] <maxcnc> cradek: ive been asked to change the default preview to View_type value 2
[16:53:13] <maxcnc> there is no ini for that
[16:54:12] <cradek> I suggest changing AXIS so the selected view is saved across runs, like other preferences are saved. I'd happily review a patch that does this.
[16:54:22] <maxcnc> ok in axis there is vars.view_type.set(0)
[16:55:44] <cradek> jepler: is limit2 broken too?
[16:56:34] <jepler> cradek: good question. I was only testing limit3, and only varying maxa. maxv was unset, which I think means essentially unlimited..
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[17:00:29] <jepler> limit2 (or limit3 with maxa infinite and varying maxv) doesn't misbehave as readily
[17:00:57] <jepler> it tracks the square wave as well as it can. if maxv is too small, it of course can never reach it, but it's always going in the right direction
[17:01:09] <jepler> and certainly not "cruising" while way off from the real value
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[17:08:38] <jepler> when the position is steady but at the wrong value, it's switching between the rampa < 0 if and else clauses on alternate cycles
[17:09:43] <jepler> .. in the branch that says it's trying to ramp to match v
[17:11:03] <jepler> so yeah, limit3 has the case "can follow exactly" and the case "ramp to match input velocity', which is of course 0 in this case
[17:12:04] <jepler> it should have had some sort of "ramp to match input *position*" case
[17:14:29] <cradek> to me, limit3 seems very hard to write
[17:16:32] <jepler> looks like limit3 never had a tracks-position mode
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[17:17:46] <jepler> if the input signal cannot be tracked exactly it's hard to say just what you should do. You would have to define what is desired before you could write it.
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[17:23:36] <linuxcnc-build> build #1690 of 4017.deb-wheezy-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4017.deb-wheezy-amd64/builds/1690 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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[18:55:25] <pcw_home> and all errors except remote errors should go through the inc/dec/threshold filter so can be squelched
[18:55:57] <pcw_home> oops
[18:56:40] <andypugh> Someone working on the sserial errors thing?
[18:57:00] <pcw_home> chatting with micges about it
[18:57:15] <andypugh> Great, that means I don’t have to fix it?
[18:58:18] <pcw_home> I think Jepler is going to work on it once he has some hardware and a way to trigger errors
[18:58:47] <andypugh> Triggering errors is the part I was struggling to figure out
[18:59:07] <skunkworks> sounds like you just need a running vfd close by ;)
[18:59:20] <jepler> yes, I intend to take a look.
[18:59:37] <andypugh> Right, To The Shop! then
[18:59:47] <jepler> pcw_home had a suggestion about how to trigger the errors on the cheap, namely generating glitches with a stepgen
[19:00:02] <jepler> it's somewhere in scrollback/logs, maybe on monday..
[19:00:44] <pcw_home> not sure why JT has such severe problems, even with extrachar errs masked there seem like hundreds of errors
[19:02:33] <pcw_home> (not sure if that is with the filtered UART 5I25 firmware or not but if so it means 100 or >~1V noise spikes longer than 200 ns on the 7I77/5i25 cable)
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