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[01:16:37] <jepler> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4 spacex launch in 13 minutes from now live stream
[01:17:15] <jepler> though right now it looks like a commercial
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[01:28:33] <cradek> ooh
[01:28:56] <cradek> 1 minute
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[01:39:50] <jepler> I think they landed it
[01:39:53] <cradek> holy fuck, it landed
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[02:06:59] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah!!
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[02:50:49] <seb_kuzminsky> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWy59kAUkAEvBLa.jpg:orig
[02:55:29] <cradek> unpossible
[02:56:05] <jepler> is that showing both the launch and landing in a composite photograph? or am I misunderstanding what I'm seeing?
[02:56:36] <cradek> I think that's what the real path looked like
[02:56:45] <cradek> this may be just a long exposure?
[02:59:03] <seb_kuzminsky> Long exposure of launch, re-entry, and landing burns:
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/679122112196382720
[03:01:38] <jepler> either it's a composite or rocket exhaust is brighter than I think
[03:03:18] <jepler> the time from launch to stage 1's landing was something like 9 minutes, with the craft being out of the frame for most of that time, so my first intuition is that the constant 9 minutes of steady lights on the ground would outshine a few seconds of launching rocket, but it doesn't.
[03:03:58] <cradek> when the thing was out of view, I suppose they could have covered the lens
[03:04:16] <cradek> I've seen people do that (in the old days) when recording something like fireworks
[03:05:10] <jepler> I'm not suggesting it's deceptive, but I would enjoy knowing technically just what I'm seeing
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[03:21:25] <jepler> wget
http://www.linuxcnc.org/hardy/ubuntu-8.04-desktop-emc2-aj07-i386.iso
[03:21:28] <jepler> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[03:21:29] <jepler> 2015-12-21 21:21:15 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
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[03:22:00] <jepler> lrwxrwxrwx 1 emcboard pg167418 5 Nov 11 14:52 hardy -> hardy
[03:22:04] <jepler> hmm we botched a symlink at some point
[03:22:31] <jepler> but I found a right URL
[03:24:33] <seb_kuzminsky> i probably borked it during the website overhaul
[03:25:17] <jepler> I think it's NBD
[03:25:43] <jepler> looks like most of the good stuff is in iso/ -- I'll turn on directory listings in there in a second if I can figure out how
[03:25:47] <jepler> some of those are dangling symlinks though
[03:25:57] <jepler> ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc1-i386.iso: ERROR: cannot open `ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc1-i386.iso' (Permission denied)
[03:26:00] <jepler> ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc1-i386.md5: ERROR: cannot open `ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc1-i386.md5' (Permission denied)
[03:26:03] <jepler> ubuntu-8.04-desktop-emc2-aj10-i386.iso: ERROR: cannot open `ubuntu-8.04-desktop-emc2-aj10-i386.iso' (Permission denied)
[03:26:06] <jepler> ubuntu-8.04-desktop-emc2-aj12-i386.iso: ERROR: cannot open `ubuntu-8.04-desktop-emc2-aj12-i386.iso' (Permission denied)
[03:26:11] <jepler> but in each case a slightly newer version is still there
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[03:33:21] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris morley 052.7 2dcaff3 06linuxcnc 10lib/python/gladevcp/hal_dial.py gladevcp : fix hal_dial for wheezy * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2dcaff3
[03:34:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris morley 05master 5af856c 06linuxcnc Merge branch '2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5af856c
[03:42:18] <jepler> hm I am the one who broke keystick, back in 2009..
[03:42:24] * jepler slinks away ashamed
[03:49:41] <cradek> wow, if code can be utterly broken for 6 years it's pretty sure to be unneeded code
[04:10:58] <cradek> c=outb
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[04:11:05] <cradek> haha oops
[04:11:09] <cradek> look at screen, then type
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[14:56:55] <jepler> I am just sad at the failure to communicate that mini and keystick were broken in any recent branch, not jaX
[14:57:34] <jepler> or my failure to understand, as the case may be
[14:57:55] <jepler> that being the case, the *removal* of the UIs really doesn't belong in a jaX branch
[14:58:03] <jepler> does that viewpoint make sense?
[14:59:27] <cradek> you're right, but I think it's only a big deal if we're still very far from merge
[15:00:15] <cradek> I don't think removing them is any kind of emergency, and if it happens at the ja merge time, that's fine
[15:01:59] <mozmck> What is preventing a merge from happening soon?
[15:02:43] <cradek> it feels like it's close
[15:03:37] <jepler> two things: if someone decides they want to fix one of those UIs, it makes the revision history worse (whether the fixing happens before or after jaX is merged to master)
[15:04:36] <jepler> .. and putting it in jaX means that we have tied the choice "remove mini" to the choice "merge jaX" (though it can be undone, see first thing)
[15:05:33] <cradek> if you coordinated with dewey I bet he wouldn't mind if you picked that commit onto master now, or else moved it to be first in his branch
[15:06:32] <cradek> or do you think you'll want to fix them in master or an earlier branch? maybe I'm not understanding
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[15:11:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i like the idea of having a text-mode gui, though i admit to never having used it beyond very basic testing
[15:12:11] <cradek> I like that too
[15:12:59] <cradek> but it's so far behind. it fell behind when (or even before) they added abc axes.
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[15:13:24] <cradek> I used it in emc1, but I bet I never have in emc2/linuxcnc
[15:21:50] <jepler> I don't understand that there's any valid motivation to put those commits on jaX, except if we ERRONEOUSLY put "jaX busted keystick and mini" on a list somewhere of things that prevent merging jaX
[15:22:01] <jepler> and by all indications it is erroneous
[15:24:15] <cradek> my understanding is: they were broken before ja; working guis need massaging to work in ja => even if they weren't broken already, ja would break them unless someone did the extra work.
[15:27:37] <seb_kuzminsky> dewey did something no one else did, and actually tested all our guis and took notes, because he wanted to make sure they worked with JA
[15:27:38] <jepler> http://linuxcnc.org/iso/ now shows a directory listing of the old isos
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[15:28:01] <jepler> .. my small contribution of the day
[15:28:53] <cradek> wow those are old!
[15:29:26] <cradek> I guess we didn't have an iso with 5.10
[15:29:40] <jepler> I don't remember what we did have
[15:29:42] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess we should probably move the current isos there too, and update the install links in the git docs
[15:29:47] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl, work
[15:30:01] <cradek> we used the virgin cd and had install instructions
[15:30:12] <cradek> remember we even ordered them from ubuntu
[15:31:10] <jepler> I do remember that
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[15:34:19] <jepler> so AIUI it seems a lot more likely we should fix mini, which is only unusable when tk8.6 is in the mix (i.e., never on a fully supported linux distro yet), compared to keystick which has pretty clearly been unusable since 2.3.0
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[15:34:31] <jepler> and I think dgarr even said he thinks he has a fix
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[16:42:50] <skunkworks> zlog
[16:42:50] <zlog_> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-12-22.html
[16:47:39] <skunkworks> I don't think Yishin stuff was no where near working. micges if I understand it - took his branch and tried to make it work - the little testing I did - still a ton of violations... I don't think people really know what is going on.
[16:48:12] <skunkworks> Plus with only a 1 segment look ahead planner - you are not going to get a speed increase - just slower and smoother.
[16:52:05] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: your observation-based facts are ruining my emotional narrative
[16:53:13] <skunkworks> and as far as I know - I don't think any of that is in machinekit..
[16:54:54] <cradek> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.devel/6364
[16:55:27] <cradek> I think this is the last code and test results I saw
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[17:35:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.6 a18f23c 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/gcode.txt Docs: fix incorrect description for g43.1 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a18f23c
[17:35:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 5af856c 06linuxcnc fast forward * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5af856c
[17:36:48] <seb_kuzminsky> wait, that's wrong
[17:38:21] <cradek> oops 2.7 and master are now the same
[17:39:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 2dcaff3 06linuxcnc fast forward * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2dcaff3
[17:39:36] <seb_kuzminsky> that resets 2.7 to where it was a minute ago
[17:40:36] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm resolving the merge of 2.6 into 2.7 now...
[17:42:55] <JT-Shop> what did I do?
[17:42:55] <jepler> oops I didn't merge that overleaf change did I
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[17:44:50] <JT-Shop> I thought the merge from 2.6 to 2.7 on the doc change didn't work due to a conflict? So I was going to change 2.7 then push that and merge to master
[17:45:15] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 03ecf78 06linuxcnc 03docs/src/gcode/g-code.txt 10src/emc/usr_intf/axis/extensions/emcmodule.cc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.6' into 2.7 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=03ecf78
[17:45:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master ecc24a0 06linuxcnc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ecc24a0
[17:46:16] <seb_kuzminsky> JT-Shop: you somehow accidentally made 2.7 point to master
[17:46:29] <seb_kuzminsky> that's the same mistake i made a few weeks ago, that jepler fixed for me
[17:46:59] <jepler> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] 4.1.15-rt17
[17:47:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i reset 2.7 to where it was before your push, then merged 2.6 into it (and resolved the conflicts), then merged 2.7 into master
[17:47:01] <JT-Shop> wow
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[17:47:11] <JT-Shop> thanks
[17:47:12] <jepler> lots of changes related to the "omap" architecture. Isn't that beaglebone?
[17:47:18] <seb_kuzminsky> no problem
[17:47:19] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: yeah
[17:47:55] <seb_kuzminsky> the dude who's the kernel.org official maintainer for the omap arm architecture is a big fan of linuxcnc, we've started collaborating on producing an rt-preempt bbb kernel
[17:48:05] <seb_kuzminsky> but it's slow going, like everything in my life :-/
[17:51:11] <jepler> no need to apologize
[18:04:55] <jepler> http://docs.emlid.com/navio/Downloads/Real-time-Linux-RPi2/ wonder if anybody's tried this with uspace
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[20:02:38] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC9Ghj_I6OQ
[20:04:32] <archivist> the dwell at the end of each cut....
