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[02:10:21] <jepler> thank you micges!
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[04:06:37] <mozmck> heh, new install of jessie uses LibreOffice to open .sh files.
[04:09:53] <mozmck> huh, can't run the vbox guest additions installer
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[04:14:06] <mozmck> argh! user created at install is not in sudoers file!
[04:15:55] <cradek> sadly, it took a lot of futzing on our wheezy cd to not ask for root password at the installer, have working sudo, have update manager automatically checking for updates, etc etc
[04:16:28] <mozmck> I bet!
[04:16:42] <cradek> by default, debian is really still a multi-user unix setup with users and root expected to be separate people
[04:16:56] <mozmck> Do we want automatic update checking?
[04:17:15] <cradek> I sure want users to have that
[04:17:23] <cradek> the thing should pop up and say there are updates
[04:17:33] <mozmck> by default, debian is really still geared toward sys-admins and not general desktop users.
[04:17:47] <cradek> however, it shouldn't offer an upgrade to a different distribution
[04:18:09] <mozmck> Ok. I think a lot of people don't even have their machine control internet connected.
[04:18:24] <mozmck> Does the debian update checker do that?
[04:19:20] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/gitweb?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bd9ac90d8dd5c04ad6ca5c64a08ed0ffb49fe57
[04:19:46] <cradek> preseeding passwd/user-default-groups like this lets you put the installed user in the sudo group
[04:20:10] <mozmck> I pulled that the other day but haven't had time to look at it yet. I was just installing jessie w/Mate to play with it more.
[04:20:28] <cradek> what do you think of it?
[04:21:03] <mozmck> It's like gnome used to be so far as I can tell in a few minutes :-)
[04:21:12] <cradek> that's good
[04:21:28] <cradek> I predict it's just like gnome2 but subtly brokener
[04:21:37] <mozmck> I've gotten used to some things in xfce now. Like having "Open in terminal" by default in the right-click menu in the file manager.
[04:22:04] <mozmck> why brokener? It is gnome2 +
[04:22:11] <cradek> because of the +
[04:22:14] <mozmck> ah
[04:22:18] <cradek> :-)
[04:22:27] <mozmck> I wonder if it still uses mostly gtk2?
[04:22:32] <cradek> it's just a feeling I get. maybe unjustified.
[04:23:40] <mozmck> one thing I really like is the plugin for Nautilus/Nemo that puts a small terminal window in the top of the files section, and it follows the current directory.
[04:28:12] <cradek> goodnight mozmck
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[22:00:34] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/images/board_of_directors.jpg
[22:00:35] <cradek> snrk
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[22:27:24] <seb_kuzminsky> where is everybody?
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[22:40:54] <JT-Shop-> powder coating
[22:41:08] <JT-Shop-> oh they are invisible
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[22:50:32] <jepler> could have been worse, could have looked like a bunch of bearded middle aged white dudes
[22:50:53] <jepler> though I guess there was one baby-face among the board
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[22:52:44] <cradek> is a baby-face anyone younger than you?
[22:53:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i assumed he was talking about skunkworks
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[22:54:22] <cradek> heh I assumed alex, who I think is slightly younger
[22:54:39] <jepler> I meant unbearded
[22:54:48] <jepler> I think alex_jon1 and swp both fit the bill
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