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[00:13:00] <linuxcnc-build> build #3742 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/3742 blamelist: Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>
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[01:55:40] <mozmck> Here is sample gcode that give the error we are seeing in axis. The only change needed is to increase the positive Z limit to more than .75
http://paste.ubuntu.com/13843261/
[01:56:27] <jepler> mozmck: if I "touch off" instead, does the problem not occur?
[01:56:45] <mozmck> instead of what?
[01:58:59] <mozmck> To see the error, I'm just starting axis, power on, home all, load code, select line 25 (M5) and run from here in the right click menu
[01:59:14] <jepler> instead of changing the Z limit
[01:59:30] <mozmck> Oh, I don't know - that might work
[02:00:07] <jepler> can you put that somewhere that I can download it as text? the link forces sign-in to ubuntu to continue
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[02:01:32] <jepler> oh I'll copy&paste it, sorry for b----complaining
[02:02:33] <mozmck> http://www.mcknight-instruments.com/files/CircleSquare_expanded_2.ngc
[02:02:47] <mozmck> :-)
[02:04:49] <jepler> thanks
[02:05:18] <mozmck> I'm trying to use a touchoff instead of changing the axis Z limit, but I'm not sure which way to go.
[02:06:42] <jepler> jog to the top (machine z=0), press Z, END, then enter the value you want the Z coordinate to be (e.g., .75 or 1.0)
[02:07:36] <mozmck> ok, I got that to work, and it looks like I still get the error.
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[02:09:12] <jepler> and the error you get in this case is about the limit?
[02:09:37] <mozmck> no it's Radius to end of arc differs from radius to start
[02:12:42] <jepler> OK
[02:12:45] <jepler> I can get that error too
[02:12:54] <jepler> Radius to end of arc differs from radius to start: start=(X0.0000,Y0.0000) center=(X-0.1280,Y0.0000) end=(X8.7170,Y0.2470) r1=0.1280 r2=8.8484 abs_err=8.72 rel_err=98.5534%
[02:13:24] <jepler> I didn't get it at first because I changed the G38.2 to G0
[02:13:39] <mozmck> interesting
[02:13:52] <jepler> I did that because the first thing I wanted to do was run the program from the start, but I got an error about my probe move finishing without probe tripped (of course)
[02:13:59] <mozmck> Ah, yes.
[02:15:53] <mozmck> Now if you copy the XY move from line 11 into th G1 move on line 19, you can then "run from here" at line 25 and it will work.
[02:17:38] <mozmck> But, when I put the G38.2 move in an O subroutine (separate file), then the above fix stops the arc radius error, but instead I get a G38.2 probe move in an ARC! It will gradually arc down to the metal but will usually error out first.
[02:17:51] <jepler> what I *suspect* is happening is that even though it's supposed to be skipped, a part of G38.2 is still happening:
[02:18:12] <jepler> the part where the X,Y,Z of the interpreter become equal to the X,Y,Z of the machine after the probe move is done
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[02:18:51] <jepler> in the case of this pre-running of the code because of RFL, maybe that needs to not happen
[02:19:08] <jepler> but instead the X,Y,Z endpoint of the probe move should be used instead? I'm not sure what number can safely be used.
[02:19:35] <mozmck> For our use case anyhow, it should not need to pre-run the code.
[02:19:39] <jepler> for instance, if you do that then every probe would move the coordinates down 0.50"
[02:20:10] <jepler> I don't know the history of the addition of that code. I can predict it was done by somebody who believed it made rfl work better, but that's the end of my prediction :-P
[02:20:40] <mozmck> :-)
[02:20:48] <jepler> You had said you thought G1 vs G0 might be relevant, but in my testing just now it seems like adding G0 X- Y- or G1 X- Y- has the same effect
[02:21:33] <mozmck> In another software we have used, it had both run from here that pre-ran the code, and a "Set next line" that simply ran from the line selected.
[02:21:35] <jepler> anyway, I'm not sure where it leaves you looking for a resolution to the problem, but that's my guess about what's going on...
[02:22:18] <jepler> I can double my level of guess by noting that if I jog out to some random X,Y coordinates, those are the ones shown in the arc error
[02:22:26] <mozmck> hmm, well I was suspecting the G38.2 had something to do with it, and the pre-running of the code.
[02:22:29] <jepler> Radius to end of arc differs from radius to start: start=(X20.5835,Y11.4804) center=(X20.4555,Y11.4804) end=(X8.7170,Y0.2470) r1=0.1280 r2=16.2475 abs_err=16.12 rel_err=99.2122%
[02:23:04] <mozmck> Yes, I had noticed that. It seems to use the current location for the start if there is not an XY move after the G38.2
[02:25:22] <jepler> hm that code looks to date back to the dawn of emc2
[02:25:38] <jepler> though it has been touched some since then
[02:26:55] <jepler> .. sometimes by me :-/
[02:26:58] <jepler> .. in 2009
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[02:28:32] <jepler> I don't have anything constructive to offer. I've long been a pessimist about the general shape of our run-from-line code, and I don't feel like we're just a few bugfixes from having it right.
[02:29:18] <jepler> afk
[02:29:30] <mozmck> Well, thanks for looking at it!
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[13:22:23] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky, 2nd day 12598 latency
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[15:27:49] <skunkworks> http://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/30033-w-axis-with-gantry-kins-hal-ini-configuration?start=20#66683
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[15:31:40] <cradek> wow!
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[15:40:57] <skunkworks> yah - awesome
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[16:01:01] <mozmck> So does it do synchronized homing??
[16:02:25] <skunkworks> mozmck, I don't think that is working yet.
[16:02:50] <skunkworks> but it isn't a problem as long as your parked position is where the home switch is.
[16:02:55] <mozmck> he mentions automatic gantry squaring...
[16:03:12] <skunkworks> if you have it go to the center of the table after homing - you have issues
[16:03:45] <skunkworks> if I understand it right..
[16:04:16] <cradek> oh man I wish I could respond to the forum email to allow the message
[16:05:16] <mozmck> can someone point me to the code that does run from line? I followed things down to emctaskmain.cc in the emcTaskIssueCommand() function, but I get lost there.
[16:05:57] <mozmck> I see case EMC_TASK_PLAN_RUN_TYPE: and it sets some variables, but I don't see where anything is executed then.
[16:07:16] <cradek> I think the main guts are emctaskmain.cc near line 624
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[16:07:54] <cradek> if (emcStatus->task.readLine < programStartLine && ...
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[16:10:43] <mozmck> thanks. things get a bit convoluted in there.
[16:11:06] <cradek> wow is that an understatement
[16:11:39] <mozmck> well... I wouldn't want to exaggerate it ;-)
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[16:50:13] <jepler> I feel silly that I didn't know or had forgotten until yesterday that RFL actually does some form of simulation of the skipped-over gcode
[16:50:55] <seb_kuzminsky> it has to, right? to determine the state of the interpreter at that line, variables and modal g-codes and what not
[16:51:04] <mozmck> I'm going to see if I can figure out a way to make an option so it does not do that. Maybe another special line number?
[16:51:17] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: it depends what you think RFL does
[16:51:31] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm yeah
[16:51:34] <jepler> .. I'm sure that doing just what you said is why RFL does what it does
[16:51:37] <cradek> a different reasonable implementation could just start executing at the given line
[16:51:57] <jepler> I keep being surprised that pre-o-words it wasn't more like carefully advancing the paper tape to the desired spot and pressing run
[16:52:00] <cradek> if your modals are wrong it'll do a wrong thing
[16:52:40] <cradek> I think it has always run through from the beginning, but discarding all the motion
[16:52:46] <mozmck> Yes, you have to make sure and start in a sane place if it doesn't pre-run.
[16:53:17] <cradek> I have argued for the simple algorithm before, and I may or may not have been right to do so
[16:55:11] <mozmck> Well, I think there is a case for both. We have used the simple algorithm in Mach for a long time, partly because the complicated one can be buggy I think :-)
[16:55:29] <jepler> mozmck: Mach exposes two different RFL modes?
[16:55:57] <mozmck> yes
[16:56:23] <jepler> that's an interesting data point
[16:56:43] <cradek> I had never considered having both types
[16:57:04] <jepler> (I don't know if it's common or uncommon among this group, but I've never had mach3 installed on a PC of mine. I have sat at others' machines with it installed for a few minutes at a time)
[16:57:35] <cradek> I think I have never seen it in person
[17:04:44] <skunkworks> I have played with mach a little..
[17:05:17] <jepler> I distinctly remember monkeying with steve stallings's computer with windows and mach
[17:05:22] <jepler> I couldn't figure it out
[17:07:21] <archivist> been to a talk by brian barker, about as near as I have got to mach
[17:09:02] <mozmck> I've had to write plugins for mach, so I know a little bit about it ;-)
[17:09:15] <mozmck> afk
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[17:32:21] <cradek> jepler: does it moderate the first 3 messages?
[17:35:13] <jepler> cradek: right
[17:36:01] <cradek> that's 3x the work of moderating the first 1 message, and I bet it's way less than 3x as effective. what do you think about trying 1?
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[17:45:06] <jepler> that's fine
[17:46:02] <jepler> .. changed
[17:47:14] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/ja10 e48f7d7 06linuxcnc 10(9 files in 2 dirs) touchy: update hal example, notes for joints_axes * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e48f7d7
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[19:43:14] <cradek> jepler: thanks!
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[21:50:59] <mozmck> So, does this look good to go?
https://github.com/mozmck/linuxcnc-mirror/commit/3e98ecb91f1f26ac8c220fe0a87c47e753ec00e4
[21:51:20] <mozmck> I would assume it should go in master if so?
[21:53:46] <andypugh> <pedant> “useful”
[21:55:58] <cradek> yes, master! it looks good to me, thanks for tolerating all our suggestions
[21:56:17] <jepler> I wonder about the case where you're jogging one axis and homing another
[21:56:28] <jepler> but forget I mentioned you might even do such a thing
[21:56:39] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont think that's allowed currently
[21:57:58] <andypugh> I seem to recall that jogging aborts homing.
[21:58:15] <andypugh> But that’s just a vague memory of an error of judgement
[21:59:05] <mozmck> aborts? that would seem strange. I think homing will not start if you are jogging.
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[21:59:35] <andypugh> I just noticed that the carousel comp docs have an error in the synopsis. It is still saying “loadrt toolchanger”
[21:59:48] <mozmck> cradek: the suggestions were good! we may actually wind up using only the NO_PROBE_HOME_ERROR
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[22:01:19] <andypugh> Hmm, if you were _very_ short of inputs you could probably risk using a shared limit switch for a probe input. But on further reflection, if you were desperate enough to do that, you could configure it that way in HAL.
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[22:03:58] <mozmck> yep, homing aborts a jog, and trying to jog while homing will report and error
[22:04:10] <mozmck> an error
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[22:14:14] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Moses McKnight 05master 90b5d85 06linuxcnc 10(6 files in 4 dirs) Added ini settings to disable probe errors while jogging and homing. * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=90b5d85
[22:14:21] <cradek> sweet
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[23:08:51] <linuxcnc-build> build #1925 of 1405.rip-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1405.rip-wheezy-armhf/builds/1925 blamelist: Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, Moses McKnight <moses@texband.net>
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[23:20:51] <cradek> +ERROR: unknown command 65
[23:21:11] <cradek> hmm, I do think this is actually a real error
[23:22:44] <jepler> I have an armhf handy, I'll see if I reproduce it
[23:22:54] <cradek> nah, I see it already
[23:22:58] <cradek> working on a fix
[23:23:05] <jepler> OK
[23:23:11] <cradek> thanks though
[23:23:23] <jepler> since that was the only error so far I wondered if it was a weird platform-specific thing
[23:23:57] <linuxcnc-build> build #3732 of 1300.rip-precise-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1300.rip-precise-i386/builds/3732 blamelist: Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, Moses McKnight <moses@texband.net>
[23:24:01] <cradek> pretty sure it's just a missing case in motion-logger
[23:24:04] <cradek> haha yep
[23:24:19] <jepler> will you make motion-logger just not print it?
[23:24:27] <jepler> or will you update all the testcases?
[23:24:30] <cradek> I think I'll print it and accept the new results
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[23:25:07] <linuxcnc-build> build #3734 of 1306.rip-precise-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1306.rip-precise-amd64/builds/3734 blamelist: Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, Moses McKnight <moses@texband.net>
[23:25:27] <jepler> ah there's the next one
[23:25:33] <jepler> thanks cradek
[23:25:41] <cradek> np
[23:25:44] <jepler> I guess we all failed to run the tests before pushing that to master branch :-/
[23:25:57] <cradek> yay buildbot!
[23:26:10] <jepler> (I know I didn't even apply the patch anywhere)
[23:30:10] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05master 638aba7 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/motion-logger/motion-logger.c 10tests/motion-logger/basic/expected.builtin-startup 10tests/motion-logger/mountaindew/expected.motion-logger Teach motion-logger about the new message, and fix tests accordingly * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=638aba7
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[23:31:41] <linuxcnc-build> build #2942 of 1301.rip-precise-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
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