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http://linuxcnc.org | Latest releases: 2.7.3 and 2.6.11 | (this channel is logged by the zlog robot)
[01:06:49] <jepler> https://atom.io/packages/activate-power-mode
[01:07:01] <jepler> actually with my Model M keyboard I feel like I already have this enabled in my editor
[01:08:16] <andypugh> Fun, but I think I can manage without it.
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[01:14:50] <mozmck> When I saw that "Atom is a desktop application built with HTML, JavaScript, CSS, and Node.js integration", I quickly lost interest.
[01:16:12] <mozmck> That's probably why the .deb file is 67.5Mb
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[01:26:04] <KGB-wlo> push to test branch:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/test
[01:27:10] <KGB-wlo> push to test branch:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/test
[01:28:03] <KGB-wlo> push to test branch:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/test
[01:28:59] <KGB-wlo> test branch deleted
[01:29:05] <KGB-wlo> push to master branch:
http://linuxcnc.org/
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[01:31:26] <seb_kuzminsky> fun fact about 2.7.3: it's got commits from two first-time committers, Salvatore Balestrino (fixed a sort-order bug in the tooledit gui) and Bernhard Wiedemann (fixed a compile error with boost 1.58)
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[01:34:29] <KGB-wlo> push to master branch:
http://linuxcnc.org/
[01:39:55] <KGB-wlo> push to master branch:
http://linuxcnc.org/
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[01:49:51] <Roguish> seb: just got the rtai-5 running on jessie/mate
[01:50:13] <Roguish> sometimes wonder never cease....
[01:50:32] <skunkworks> yay!
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[03:22:20] <seb_kuzminsky> Roguish: that's great, thanks for testing it
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[03:23:05] <cradek> it's really great to have new contributors
[03:23:12] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: thanks for the release
[03:23:28] <seb_kuzminsky> welcome :-)
[03:24:29] <cradek> so to make the news item you created that new file in _posts?
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[03:29:49] <seb_kuzminsky> yep!
[03:29:56] <seb_kuzminsky> $EDITOR && git commit && git push ;-)
[03:30:08] * seb_kuzminsky is a happy camper
[03:30:26] <cradek> it's the future
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[03:42:13] <jepler> something only a software developer could lke
[03:42:52] <seb_kuzminsky> just wait until i mess up a merge on the website, my humiliation will know no bounds
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[03:48:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm please that i could experiment with markdown rendering in a throw-away branch, inspect the auto-built website on wlo-test.highlab.com, then rebase it and push it to master and have it appear live
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[03:49:03] <seb_kuzminsky> it's so much more manageable than joomla was
[03:49:14] <cradek> those are things only a software developer would know enough to want
[03:49:49] <cradek> like filesystem snapshots, you don't even know you want that until you get used to having it
[03:53:04] <jepler> I tried to interpret gene's report about spindle something being different in 2.7 but failed at it
[03:53:04] <jepler> I tried this program: G0 X0 Y0 Z1 / M3 S100 / G1 Z0 F60 / G0 Z1 / M5 / G0 X1 / M2
[03:53:04] <jepler> and wondered if the change to commanded spindle speed would occur at a different time comparing 2.6 and 2.7, but it was the same
[03:53:04] <cradek> I think he meant the spindle stays on during the G0 X1
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[04:21:25] <Tom_itx> somone is spamming their servers
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[12:28:31] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.7 612ca3e 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gui/gmoccapy.txt docs - minor changes to gmoccapy.txt * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=612ca3e
[12:29:15] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 05master fe60c7f 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gui/gmoccapy.txt Merge branch '2.7' of ssh://norbert@git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe60c7f
[12:37:42] <jthornton> I have this short tutorial that used to work and I was revisiting them and now I get this error message
http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxcnc/gui/error.txt
[12:37:55] <jthornton> the short program
http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxcnc/gui/gui1.py
[12:38:07] <jthornton> the glade file
http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxcnc/gui/gui1.glade
[12:39:13] <Tom_itx> morning Mr. T
[12:42:31] <jthornton> morning Mr. T
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[12:47:01] <Tom_itx> :)
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[13:25:22] <jepler> >>> HAL: ERROR: duplicate component name 'gui01'
[13:25:48] <jepler> you have already loaded something else in your halrun / linuxcnc session with that name.
[13:26:40] <jthornton> thanks
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[16:00:03] <skunkworks> how do you add the key on debian?
[16:00:35] <jepler> not enough context ?
[16:01:39] <skunkworks> heh - sorry. jessie install - added the sources for sebs new rtai. apt-get update gives me a error about key missding
[16:02:18] <jepler> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
[16:02:19] <jepler> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 8f374fef
[16:02:24] <skunkworks> no_pubkey
[16:02:24] <jepler> I'd try this, otherwise I dunno
[16:02:43] <jepler> then after that, apt-get update and apt-get install again
[16:04:32] <mk0> skunkworks, apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring
[16:07:53] <skunkworks> I think that is working
[16:08:00] <skunkworks> (without the keyring install)
[16:09:00] <skunkworks> what is the actual
[16:09:08] <skunkworks> 'linux-image' name?
[16:10:59] <skunkworks> think I have it\
[16:12:30] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: you probably want the one called linux-image-3.16.0-9-rtai-686-pae
[16:12:50] <skunkworks> ok
[16:13:07] <skunkworks> what happens if I install the dbg?
[16:14:28] <mozmck> you exceed your data limits
[16:14:29] <skunkworks> ok - I don't think it matters
[16:14:51] <seb_kuzminsky> err, i think you get a pile of debug symbols that might be usable if you have a panic, but i'm not really sure
[16:16:42] <skunkworks> shouldn't be an issue?
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[16:25:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i never install it, things run fine for me
[16:25:29] <seb_kuzminsky> but maybe i just don't know what i'm missing...
[16:33:13] <jepler> yeah some days I wonder if we shouldn't have a linuxcnc-keyring deb
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[16:34:49] <cradek> how is that kind of thing bootstrapped?
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[16:37:47] <jepler> cradek: then the installation instruction is: wget
https://..../keyring.deb; dpkg -i keyring.deb
[16:38:02] <cradek> oh I see
[16:38:03] <skunkworks> (I installed it by accident - the -dbg package..)
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[16:38:07] <jepler> (not that we have https on linuxcnc.org yet)
[16:38:33] <jepler> after initial installation, you can use updates to the keyring.deb to do an orderly transition to a new key
[16:39:06] <jepler> .. add new key, wait N days/weeks/months, use new key
[16:39:19] <jepler> that way anyone who updates regularly will already have the new key trusted before you first use it
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[16:48:31] <jepler> one concern with --recv-key is that a 32-bit fingerprint is "easy" to forge, you just need to generate a few billion public keys in order to get one with the same fingerprint just by chance
[16:49:23] <seb_kuzminsky> i just pushed a new rtai-modules deb to wlo
[16:49:32] <seb_kuzminsky> no new kernel, since the rtai kernel patch has not changed
[16:50:07] <cradek> for wheezy?
[16:50:38] <jepler> jessie/rtai-5?
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[16:51:02] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: are you doing just 32-bit kernels at this point?
[16:55:35] <seb_kuzminsky> crade for jessie, based on rtai 5
[16:55:49] <cradek> sweet
[16:55:52] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm just doing 32 bit for now
[16:56:16] <seb_kuzminsky> i've built 64-bit amd64 stuff, but there are some problems with packaging and naming and stuff that's gonna keep that off the table for a bit still
[16:57:47] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: about the fingerprint, as a stop-gap we couls switch to long-style fingerprints right?
[17:00:53] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yes it appears a longer fingerprint can be given
[17:00:55] <jepler> --recv-key 3cb9fd148f374fef
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[17:05:29] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: when you first run latency-test - the servo thead latency is about 1ms. no rtai overruns in terminal. you hit reset and so far the latency is around 10k for both
[17:06:17] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 052.7 e93801a 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.txt docs: use a longer fingerprint * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e93801a
[17:06:17] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 052.7 99ffe2d 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.txt docs: remove jessie rt kernel instructions * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=99ffe2d
[17:07:36] <jepler> I think that someone who spent a little time with
http://snapshot.debian.org/ would be able to suggest installation instructions that would use the right snapshot, but it adds extra steps
[17:07:49] <jepler> > If you want to add a specific date's archive to your apt sources.list simply add an entry like these:
[17:07:52] <jepler> deb
http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20091004T111800Z/ lenny main
[17:07:54] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: just pulled your lates push... would that have fixed it? better so far (no ms at startup)
[17:12:21] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky:
http://imgur.com/TOCP5QG
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[17:18:07] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: i doubt that the difference between the 2015-11-25 and 2015-11-30 rtai snapshots would make a big different on the latency
[17:18:26] <jepler> +#ifndef USE_COMPILER_QUALITY_CODE
[17:20:20] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe
[17:20:22] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: so your workflow for that branch is to periodically do a cvs update and then rebase your work on top of that commit?
[17:20:27] <seb_kuzminsky> yep
[17:20:52] <jepler> we are such backwards people and yet we've been using git for years. Hard to believe anybody else has held on for so much longer.
[17:21:57] <seb_kuzminsky> and i carry a couple of non-debian patches intended for RTAI at the beginning of my volcano-debs branch, so far the rtai devs have not even acknowledged that i sent them patches
[17:22:14] <seb_kuzminsky> not even a "no thanks"
[17:23:25] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm torn about the fractured rtai dev community
[17:24:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i think the rtai.org folks have the best handle on low-level hardware/realtime stuff, shabby has the better community and software engineering practises, and memleak has our best interests in mind
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[17:27:10] <jepler> well, looking at the linuxcnc changes it seems like at the source level we can choose to support all of the above right now without much extra effort
[17:27:35] <jepler> but that leaves unanswered the question of what we package for our users as the default choice. that's always a much harder question.
[17:28:27] <skunkworks> Couple things - I had to install the kernel headers, Increase the memory for realtime.
[17:29:20] <skunkworks> Was I supposed to re-build linuxcnc with that pull?
[17:29:33] <skunkworks> I did have to log-out - in
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[17:32:05] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: if you ran 'apt-get upgrade' and got the new (2015-11-30) rtai-modules package, you shouldn't have to rebuild linuxcnc
[17:32:08] <seb_kuzminsky> i didn't
[17:32:27] <skunkworks> good. (I didn't)
[17:32:43] <skunkworks> so far - no 1ms latency at startup of the latenc-test
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[17:34:03] <seb_kuzminsky> and yeah, currently it's our linuxcnc.deb that installs the memlock limit config file, so if you dont have that deb installed and you're just building rip, then you have to create that file by hand
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[17:38:50] <skunkworks> this is an hp i5 quadcore
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[17:42:19] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: no - I still am getting an inital latency spike
[17:43:38] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: "delete, don't comment out"
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/rtai/commit/093728e178182d45ac8ca639f6fa9d49a7119844
[17:44:23] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: what is funny is 'max interval' doesn't show the extra ms
[17:44:28] <skunkworks> it stays around 1ms
[17:45:54] <jepler> maybe you've also found a bug in latency test
[17:47:37] <skunkworks> I do get a realtime delay when starting axis
[17:48:20] <skunkworks> I can throw the hd into other computers just to see
[17:52:29] <jepler> skunkworks: is this a machine that is "good" with the wheezy rtai kernel?
[17:55:58] <skunkworks> testing now
[17:56:01] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: you're right of course, i'll change it
[17:56:15] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: thanks for complying with my OCD
[17:59:49] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks for reviewing it!
[17:59:57] <seb_kuzminsky> i still owe you some fixes on the rtai-5 branch iirc
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[19:03:10] <skunkworks> hmm - so far it seems like the latency is worse (spikey) compared to wheezy. The system that had the 1ms latency spike at startup seems to run the wheezy rtai just fine
[19:03:27] <skunkworks> I will keep testing
[19:08:07] <REEEN> Hello everyone, I have a question according to use spindle synchronized motion with a gear between spindle and encoder
[19:08:28] <CaptHindsight> someone in the other channel got Linuxcnc working with a Spartan3 and a Rpi
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/content_link/BxmFSdVZAsgW7ImLHiwkhAeL5jFFij8ZjemB1Ic3IcjdSLiRu7zZaR2UsdCUqPtG/file?dl=1
[19:09:48] <REEEN> Spindle synchronized motion uses the index pulse, but I don't have a full revolution on every index
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[19:26:20] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: that link gives a 404 error
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[19:37:25] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky, on 2 systems now I have had the latency test start up with 1ms jitter
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[19:47:42] <cradek> argh, 5 minutes and he's gone
[19:52:14] <CaptHindsight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cqsds87g765gnx1/2015-11-30%2020.05.25.jpg?dl=0
[19:52:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/05zyv97uj68y3au/2015-11-30%2020.03.11.jpg?dl=0
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[19:53:49] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: ^^ try these, dropbox is weird about that dl= 1 vs 0
[19:55:13] <CaptHindsight> replies to questions in under 24 hours are free
[19:55:42] <CaptHindsight> I'd say that <5 minutes should have a premium charge :)
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[19:56:39] <jepler> oh I was hoping for patches, all perfect and already signed-off-by
[19:56:47] <jepler> images are nice but they don't help anyone else
[19:57:03] <jepler> when there are patches I'll be happy to review them
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[20:29:59] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: if you start latency-test and get the the 1 ms spike, then quit latency-test and start it again, what happens?
[20:32:38] <skunkworks> same usually.
[20:35:03] <seb_kuzminsky> bummer
[20:35:09] <skunkworks> so - unless I did something wrong installing - 3rd machine exibiting the behavior..
[20:35:20] <skunkworks> that runs the wheezy livecd just fine
[20:35:56] <skunkworks> 2 of those machines give a rtai delay when starting axis. one doesn't
[20:36:17] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: what does the rtai latency test say? /usr/realtime-3.16.0-9-rtai-686-pae/testsuite/kern/latency
[20:36:54] <seb_kuzminsky> is that the 2.7 live cd? or 2.6? rtai-5 is based on master, maybe something has changed in our test program
[20:37:04] <skunkworks> 2.7
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[20:51:43] <seb_kuzminsky> Roguish_test: next you should run "uname -a" and make sure it says something like "Linux jessie-i386 3.16.0-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.16.7-5linuxcnc (2015-11-18) i686 GNU/Linux"
[20:51:50] <seb_kuzminsky> if not, you forgot to reboot to the new rtai kernel
[20:52:03] <skunkworks_> seb_kuzminsky: 10us so far...
[20:53:23] <skunkworks_> I will let the rtai run over night
[20:56:10] <Roguish_test> seb:
http://imgur.com/T4B4dlq
[20:56:36] <Roguish_test> I think I have booted in correctly.
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[21:01:23] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05rtai-5 bb58e08 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/timedelta.comp timedelta: don't glitch on the output pin on the first cycle * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb58e08
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[21:01:31] <Roguish_test> so, you guys are seeing a big latency in just stating the latency test using the rtai-5 ?
[21:01:42] <skunkworks_> only me...
[21:01:44] <Roguish_test> starting
[21:01:45] <seb_kuzminsky> ^^^ doesn't fix skunkworks_' glitch
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[21:02:12] <seb_kuzminsky> looks good Roguish_test, that's the right kernel
[21:02:26] <skunkworks_> aww
[21:02:31] <Roguish_test> I don't see here.
[21:03:07] <skunkworks_> wait a second - what does the test say 9 over runs? the max is 10362
[21:04:01] <skunkworks_> when I restart it it says 25 overruns
[21:04:11] <skunkworks_> restart it again and it says 116
[21:04:36] <skunkworks_> but ovl max is <10us
[21:06:21] <skunkworks_> it doesn't seem to increase while running...
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[21:11:42] <seb_kuzminsky> uh oh
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[22:10:39] <skunkworks> what does that even mean?
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[23:52:19] <jepler> why did I start engaging there? argh ugh blech
[23:53:11] <jepler> if I calm down maybe I can figure out the right way to say: adding SQL anything is the wrong answer when the goal is to fix a bug in a stable release
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