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[00:51:27] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, i can no longer rsync debs to wlo
[00:52:20] <seb_kuzminsky> the buildbot successfully rsynced the docs on the most recent build it did
[00:53:23] <seb_kuzminsky> wonder if it's because i recently upgraded to jessie
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[00:58:45] <seb_kuzminsky> it works fine from wheezy...
[01:01:04] <Tom_itx> coming from windows, i find it odd one ver of linux can be so broken from the next
[01:01:19] <Tom_itx> not just this instance
[01:04:57] <Tom_itx> just from a user perspective..
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[01:08:47] <seb_kuzminsky> well i can rsync some files from wheezy to wlo, but not others
[01:09:11] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: lurching forward progress
[01:09:28] <seb_kuzminsky> though this seems to be something else wrong, not a bug introduced in jessie's rsync
[01:09:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i just dont know what, yet
[01:09:42] <mozmck> Tom_itx: having programmed plenty for windows, I can say it's not any better there.
[01:09:47] <Tom_itx> odd some go and others don't
[01:09:58] <Tom_itx> mozmck, i would agree really
[01:10:22] <Tom_itx> i can't honestly say one is better than the other though
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[01:10:31] <Tom_itx> i realize why linux is used here though
[01:11:34] <Tom_itx> we had a cnc that ran xp for it's os, and i can say it was utter crap
[01:15:03] <seb_kuzminsky> seems to be a problem on dreamhost maybe? File-list index 4 not in 0 - -1 (read_ndx_and_attrs) [receiver]
[01:17:32] <seb_kuzminsky> if i don't give rsync the --delete flag it seems to work
[01:34:10] <jepler> I had the experience of watching someone nontechnical try to display photos from his phone in Ubuntu 14.04. It was a disaster.
[01:35:19] <jepler> but stuff like rsync, I expect it to work. I didn't google up any likely causes either. This is the closest I came, flaky hardware was blamed, and no resolution
https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8075
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[01:35:49] <andypugh> I miss the days when you could guarantee that anyone who could get online had to be technical and clever. The Internet was a better place :-)
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[01:44:11] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i saw that memtest suggestion
[01:45:06] <seb_kuzminsky> my bridgeport just moved with jessie/linux-3.16.7/rtai-5.0~test1 for the first time tonight
[01:45:12] <seb_kuzminsky> rtai-5 branch of linuxcnc
[01:45:40] <seb_kuzminsky> everything looked fine, until it didn't stop moving when trying to come off the X home switch
[01:45:57] <seb_kuzminsky> investigation showed the switch is mechanically bad
[01:46:23] <seb_kuzminsky> the button does not return when you release pressure on it
[01:46:37] <seb_kuzminsky> i blame the ~20F temps in my garage
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[01:56:14] <andypugh> I am proud of this passive-aggressive sentence “Can you re-phrase the question in a manner that makes it clear why my answer is not an answer?”
[01:57:47] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: is someone on the forum confused?
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[02:00:12] <andypugh> Many people on the forum are confused. Possibly all of them, or they would be on the mailing list :-)
[02:02:07] <andypugh> The specific comtext is someone wanting to do Torch Height Control and not liking a percieved issue with the Mach3 implementation. I think that LinuxCNC has a solution, but that is identical to the solution in Mach3 that he hasn’t spotted.
[02:02:11] <seb_kuzminsky> haha
[02:04:50] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks for helping them anyway
[02:05:30] <pcw_home> Not sure if the Mach stepgen has acceleration limits or is it totally dependent on Machs TP
[02:08:38] <pcw_home> So maybe the poster does not realize that the steggens accel limits are independent of the TP limits
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[02:09:00] <andypugh> That would possibly explain his apparent confusion.
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[02:27:16] <andypugh> I am not sure that this makes sense: To send a private email to a forum user I need to answer a captcha. Seems a bit odd if I am a moderator. At least is isn’t demanding that I make a “Conection” with the user first.
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[02:42:04] <mozmck> andypugh: see my answer on that thread
[02:42:59] <andypugh> Yeah, I think between you, PCW and me we have persuaded him :-)
[02:43:06] <mozmck> Mach does not apply accel to THC moves at all, so there is a THC reduction setting to limit max vel for Z.
[02:43:29] <andypugh> I am now working on making him never doubt us again :-)
[02:44:11] <andypugh> Ah, so THC is an add-in in basically the wring place?
[02:44:42] <mozmck> Most people don't know that, and I think he assumed we didn't know that either and the answers were therefore not quite to the point he was asking.
[02:45:21] <mozmck> I'm not sure why it was done that way.
[02:45:24] <andypugh> I have a feeling that HAL has turned out to be even more useful than the folk who suggested it expected.
[02:46:03] <mozmck> It is really useful! But it can also be a giant mess-o-spaghetti!
[02:46:45] <andypugh> mozmck: True, but you only have to look when it matters.
[02:47:47] <andypugh> I almost want to show him a PID / Limit3 config to prove that it can be done, but there really is absolutely no point for a THC.
[02:47:54] <mozmck> Yeah - like C++
[02:48:04] <skunkworks> I think that is one of the issues with mach stepper control of the thc - there is no acceleration...
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[02:48:26] <skunkworks> oh - sorry - didn't read all the way down
[02:48:29] <mozmck> Probably anything complex AND useful can be a pile of spaghetti.
[02:48:49] <andypugh> Including spaghetti :-)
[02:49:38] <andypugh> Have any of you played about in the xkcd game/comic from monday?
[02:51:07] <andypugh> (It looks like a little platform game, but actually you can go out of bounds to a _huge_ world full of little cartoons and vignettes.
[02:56:52] <andypugh> Anyway, “anything complex” reminded me of the rogue wave. (quite a long way to the right).
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[04:05:51] <mozmck> I see a doxconfig file in src/ does anyone use doxygen with linuxcnc?
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[04:26:05] <mozmck> wow, doxygen can generate some pretty thorough call graphs!
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[04:45:10] <Tom_itx> with linuxcnc? sorta:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
[04:45:55] <Tom_itx> err no, i'm thinking asciidoc
[04:45:56] <Tom_itx> sry
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[11:48:58] <jthornton> can we add some blurb on the forum registration to say if you don't get the conformation email please try and register again? I've gotten several emails about registration problems.
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[12:41:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John 052.7 d088a38 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/m-code.txt Docs: correct description of m19 feedback requirements * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d088a38
[12:43:18] <jthornton> can I assume that git 2 I should set git config --global push.default simple and not to git config --global push.default matching
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[14:28:22] <jepler> jthornton: you can add whatever text you think is useful. If it's ISPs / mail services dropping the mail instead of delivering it, then just trying again with the same e-mail address won't help.
[14:32:33] <jepler> hah "GND" "Enter the public"
[14:32:42] <jepler> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/29578-mesa-5i25-config-for-chinese-bob#65934
[14:33:18] <jthornton> I think the problem is something else because I don't see the users after they register
[14:33:49] <jthornton> unless they are not added until confirmed...
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[15:28:49] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.6 5b60874 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gui/gmoccapy.txt docs - minor changes to gmoccapy documentation * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b60874
[15:28:50] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.6 5791041 06linuxcnc Merge branch '2.6' of ssh://norbert@git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git into 2.6 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5791041
[15:28:50] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.6 e8f4dfc 06linuxcnc Merge branch '2.6' of ssh://norbert@git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git into 2.6 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8f4dfc
[15:28:51] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.6 b0ccf60 06linuxcnc Merge branch '2.6' of ssh://norbert@git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git into 2.6 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0ccf60
[15:28:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.6 3f16f9d 06linuxcnc Merge branch '2.6' of ssh://norbert@git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git into 2.6 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f16f9d
[15:28:59] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.6 4ccda42 06linuxcnc 10(9 files in 4 dirs) gmoccapy_1_5_5_3 - document updates and deleted some pin * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ccda42
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[15:40:06] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.7 ad6fb6c 06linuxcnc Merge branch '2.7' of ssh://norbert@git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git into 2.7 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad6fb6c
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[16:36:51] <jepler> *** warning: bad links found in English docs!
[16:37:02] <JT-Shop> rut row
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[16:42:44] <jepler> I dropped norbert an e-mail in case he doesn't see buildbot errors
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[16:43:49] <seb_kuzminsky> thx
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[17:28:05] <jepler> he replied to me but the reply doesn't make sense to me right away
[17:28:11] <jepler> >>
[17:28:12] <jepler> I do chewck that one, it is caused because of the new forum and linuxcnc
[17:28:12] <jepler> homepage.
[17:28:13] <jepler> <<
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[17:28:33] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: checklinks is only checking links internal to the documentation, right?
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[17:34:06] <jepler> ./man9/bldc../9m:a4n693/:b lsducp_phraelsls3i.o9n: 1l9i5m:i tsuppression rleigmiistt erresg issptaenr sm osrpea nt hmaonr eo nteh apna goen;e
[17:34:10] <jepler> ipmaaggee;
[17:34:12] <jepler> diemsacgrei pdteisocnr i1p twiiolnl 1b ew iwlrlo nbge
[17:34:15] <jepler> wrong
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[17:38:06] <jepler> [8$cp: cannot stat ‘../docs/src/code/homing.svg’: No such file or directory
[17:38:09] <jepler> cp: cannot stat ‘../docs/src/code/hss.svg’: No such file or directory
[17:38:12] <jepler> cp: cannot stat ‘../docs/src/code/task-state-transitions.svg’: No such file or directory
[17:38:25] <jepler> hm I get other things that look like they shold be fatal errors but aren't during a build of the documentation
[17:38:36] <jepler> and then slightly later
[17:38:36] <jepler> List of broken links and other issues:
[17:38:37] <jepler> file:///home/jepler/src/linuxcnc/docs/html/code/hss.svg
[17:38:37] <jepler> Line: 261
[17:38:37] <jepler> Code: 404 File `/home/jepler/src/linuxcnc/docs/html/code/hss.svg' does not exist
[17:39:51] <jepler> weirdly, I can "make" those targets directly
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[17:50:53] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: yeah, only local urls are verified
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[18:02:25] <jepler> OK, second mail with a lot more words sent :-/
[18:04:40] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 07d251c 06hostmot2-firmware 10Makefile 10firmwares.py make: actually use firmwares-local.txt * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=07d251c
[18:04:59] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/i24+i25 2193e33 06hostmot2-firmware 10Makefile 10build.py 10cards.py 10firmwares.txt hardware support: Add 5i24, 5i25 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=2193e33
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[18:23:23] <jthornton> oh I see his merge broke my anchor/link fixes :(
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[19:25:49] <JT-Shop> after thinking about it a bit the docs in 2.7 are so different from 2.6 that any major work should happen in 2.7 except for typos etc...
[19:28:03] <digshadow> Heyo. in python, I'd like to get the actual spindle speed as reported by my tach and shown in the pyvcp panel ("spindle-at-speed" in HAL). linuxcnc.status() has spindle_speed but this is only the commanded speed. Can you point me in the right direction (docs etc) that I should look at?
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[19:31:43] <JT-Shop> better question for #linuxcnc than developer
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[19:34:42] <digshadow> k sorry, I thought it was coding should be here
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[21:13:28] <jepler> I think Norbert still doesn't understand. :(
[21:13:53] <jepler> I guess I'll just fix it myself when I get home
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[21:19:23] <JT-Shop> I can fix it in the morning or are you going to revert the merge?
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[22:23:59] <jepler> jthornton: I was simply going to add the anchor and leave everything else untouched
[22:24:19] <jepler> jthornton: should I let you work on it instead? I do not need to be stepping on everyones' toes.
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[22:25:32] <JT-Shop> no problem I can fix that, you have more important things to worry about than a link
[22:28:44] <jepler> I will let you take care of it. Thank you.
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[23:38:26] * jepler reads on wikipedia: "
[23:38:35] <jepler> Without cooperation, human interaction would be far more difficult and counterproductive." and considers adding "[citation needed]"
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