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[00:00:30] <jepler> no, it's quite unsatisfactory if you're not accustomed to it
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[00:02:35] <jthornton> an acquired taste I take it
[00:03:13] <jthornton> thanks again for helping me succeed in getting LinuxCNC installed in LinuxMint
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[00:59:07] <jepler> ABC: always be compiling
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[06:21:18] <bmwiedemann> Hi, I made this patch for linuxcnc
http://www.zq1.de/~bernhard/temp/0001-fix-rs274ngc_pre-with-new-boost-gcc.patch to fix compilation on openSUSE Tumbleweed
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[11:48:54] <jthornton> actually the salt less french bread was not as bad as I thought it might be
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[14:51:09] <JT-Shop> not too bad out here 56°F in the shop
[14:57:32] <jepler> bmwiedemann: your patch is mangled, & has been replcaed by & in the commit message.
[14:57:51] <jepler> > template<class T> void cref(T const&&) BOOST_REF_DELETE;
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[15:03:39] <jepler> frankly I don't understand why the change is necessary, either.
[15:03:39] <jepler> @remark Construction from a temporary object is disabled.
[15:03:40] <jepler> */
[15:03:40] <jepler> template<class T> void ref(T const&&) BOOST_REF_DELETE;
[15:05:56] <jepler> after the change, isn't _setup.pythis now referring to the local variable 't', which will go out of scope as soon as the constructor completes?
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[15:50:13] <jepler> hm I wonder if it shouldn't be
[15:50:13] <jepler> - _setup.pythis = boost::python::object(boost::cref(this));
[15:50:14] <jepler> + _setup.pythis = boost::python::object(boost::cref(*this));
[15:51:06] <jepler> I think the intent is to have a reference to 'this object', not to the temporary 'this' pointer
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[17:05:08] <jepler> bmwiedemann: I'll read back in case you reply
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[17:42:40] <Roguish_> jepler: thanks again for helping yesterday with the Mint uspace. IT WORKS. sort of. I just don't get any motion.
[17:42:42] <Roguish_> I was just writing a long winded question and though and then in checking some more, I noticed that the 'watchdog_has_bitten = true'
[17:42:43] <Roguish_> my debian system has a latency of approx 15000ns. the uspace system has approx 9000000ns on the 1ms servo thread.
[17:42:45] <Roguish_> that's kinda high, huh? what's up?
[17:43:08] <Roguish_> no wonder the watchdog is unhappy.
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[17:49:22] <Roguish_> what the heck is going on?
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[17:50:03] <pcw_home> You need a Preempt-RT kernel for uspace (otherwise you will get millisecond latencies)
[17:50:48] <Roguish_> pcw_home: thanks. getting ms latencies for sure
[17:51:09] <Roguish_> ok how do I add a Preempt-RT kernel?
[17:52:01] <pcw_home> I built mine, not sure if theres a package available for mint
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[17:57:23] <Roguish_> pcw_home: i don't really want to build a kernel, unless there's a really easy written procedure. if not, I can wait awhile. i've just been experimenting with Mint. it seems a bit friendlier than Debian.
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[18:15:19] <jepler> last time I looked, ubuntu no longer packaged PREEMPT RT kernels. debian does. mint is based on ubuntu.
[18:16:02] <Roguish_> just looking at building a kernel here:
https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
[18:16:40] <Roguish_> my Mint is s 3.16.0-38-generic kernel.
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[18:17:39] <Roguish_> so, looks like I would have to change kernel version and build with Preempt_
[18:17:52] <Roguish_> RT patch at the same time.
[18:18:08] <Roguish_> maybe a bit daunting for me right now.
[18:19:01] <Roguish_> i'm taking a lot of Prednisone right now so not sleeping much. maybe late one night i'll give it a go.
[18:21:03] <pcw_home> I have a script for building a preempt-rt kernel but it does require you set the kernel preemption type (and 32/64 bit) in xconfig
[18:22:27] <Roguish_> well that cant be hard? would you mind sharing it, pcw_home.
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[18:26:43] <pcw_home> let me update it and try it first, then i will post it
[18:27:39] <Roguish_> cool, thanks.
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[18:37:14] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com/makert4.1.13
[18:37:15] <pcw_home> should make the latest Preempt-RT kernel
[18:37:17] <pcw_home> you need to select (at a minimum) 32/64 bit to match your system
[18:37:18] <pcw_home> and select fully preemptable kernel in the processor types and features section of xconfig
[18:38:00] <pcw_home> (you then chose save, then exit from the xconfig menu)
[18:38:40] <Roguish_> so that's using a 4. kernel ?
[18:38:47] <Roguish_> not a 3.
[18:39:01] <pcw_home> sure
[18:39:37] <Roguish_> are there prompts for these 'selects' or do I have to add parameters?
[18:40:10] <pcw_home> it will likely build about a bazzilion drivers so takes a while
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[18:40:47] <pcw_home> xconfig has a million or so check boxes in a tree
[18:40:59] <Roguish_> i'm heading out for some fresh air, but I will run it later. thanks.
[18:41:19] <Roguish_> is this able to run in a vm?
[18:41:45] <Roguish_> i have a big fast dual zeon workstation sitting idle....
[18:42:21] <pcw_home> not really suitible for that since it does a install
[18:42:36] <Roguish_> ok. thanks again.
[18:42:40] <Roguish_> bbl
[18:42:43] <pcw_home> if it made a package that wouls make sense
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[20:26:25] <seb_kuzm1nsky> jepler: are you sure debian packages preempt-rt still? looks like wheezy was the last one:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-rt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
[20:32:17] <seb_kuzm1nsky> i've been working with debian.org's packaging of the linux kernel (for rtai purposes), and it includes rt-preempt stuff, but they keep disabling it and enabling it as they leapfrog the rt-preempt kernel patch
[20:32:36] <seb_kuzm1nsky> i bet it would be easy to pick one of the recent kernel versions that's supported by both debian.org
[20:32:52] <seb_kuzm1nsky> debian.org's kernel team, and the rt-preempt team, and build images for that version
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[21:59:27] <jepler> seb_kuzm1nsky: at one point there was a linux-image-rt-amd64 in jessie-backports. that appears no longer to be the case.
[21:59:42] <jepler> 4.1+67~bpo8+1
[22:00:06] <jepler> but now 4.2 is in backports, as you say it's a "leapfrog" game
[22:00:26] <jepler> (hmph)
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[22:14:20] <jthornton> if you build a deb and install it with dpkg -i name.deb, should it install the menus or is that an extra step?
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[22:21:55] <jepler> I would expect it to install the menus.
[22:22:25] <jthornton> hmm, I must have messed something up then
[22:22:31] <jthornton> thanks for verifying that
[22:22:42] <jepler> or maybe mint does menus differently than other systems
[22:22:48] <jepler> I would first look whether the .desktop files are in the deb
[22:22:54] <jepler> for uspace, it's: dpkg -L linuxcnc-uspace | grep desktop
[22:23:03] <jepler> for rtai of course you'd just remove -uspace
[22:23:31] <jepler> this is the file that defines the cnc folder in the application menu: /usr/share/desktop-directories/cnc.directory
[22:23:39] <jepler> and this is the one for starting linuxcnc: /usr/share/applications/linuxcnc.desktop
[22:23:42] <jepler> there are several others
[22:24:01] <jepler> so if those files are present in the .deb, then I would look at why mint doesn't treat those the same as debian
[22:24:13] <jepler> and if they aren't, then it's necessary to look at the deb building process
[22:24:58] <jthornton> I see usr/share/desktop-directories/cnc.directory
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[22:25:44] <jthornton> and usr/share/applications/LinuxCNC
[22:26:12] <jthornton> clicking on LinuxCNC launches the configuration selector
[22:26:23] <jthornton> thanks
[22:27:04] <jepler> you were doing those steps with a file browser?
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[22:27:27] <jthornton> yea, I just looked with a browser
[22:27:36] <jepler> anyway, that seems to indicate that linuxcnc is putting the files into the package in the same way it does on other systems, but mint is treating it differently.
[22:28:03] <jthornton> looking at mint menus now
[22:29:38] <jepler> ok, let us know what you figure out.
[22:31:34] <jepler> oh and this file also figures into it: /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/cnc.menu
[22:31:44] <jepler> we are trying to work according to this spec:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html
[22:32:14] <jepler> or some version of it anyway
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[22:38:45] <JT-Shop> the odd thing is the menu's show up when I use the precise deb
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[22:54:33] <JT-Shop> interesting they ended up in the Other category
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