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[00:53:19] <andypugh> cradek: You there?
[01:12:59] <andypugh> I am curious about your VM…. can you try removing Orage and ePdf, but one at a time. like I didn’t? I _think_ that removing one of those made autoremove want to remove
http://www.pastebin.ca/3263900
[01:13:04] <andypugh> Which is quite the list
[01:14:01] <andypugh> highlights include lightdm, mousepad, thunar, netowrk manager
[01:21:56] <jepler> andypugh: I booted the 2.7 iso and did: apt-get remove --dry-run --auto-remove orage
[01:22:05] <jepler> it does want to remove a lot of packages
[01:22:28] <andypugh> network manager and lightdm ?
[01:22:55] <jepler> this is because removing orage forces removal of xfce4, which in turn forces removal of task-xfce-desktop
[01:23:11] <andypugh> what the {bleep} is Orage anyway?
[01:23:14] <jepler> and then all those listed packages become auto-removable, since they were installed as a dependency of xfce4 or task-xfce-desktop
[01:23:25] <jepler> a calendar, apparently
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[01:23:56] <jepler> removing epdfview doesn't cause an aptpocalypse
[01:24:29] <andypugh> Yeah, it makes total sense that removing a calendar I never use also removes every other useful thing in the OS, including the things you would need to fix the OS again. Like networking
[01:24:54] <andypugh> Surely that’s a bug?
[01:25:24] <jepler> it is a behavior that will exist in unmodified debian
[01:26:07] <jepler> if it is a bug it is a bug in the specification of the dependencies of package xfce, I suppose
[01:27:03] <jepler> in debian jessie (current stable), xfce still depends orage so you can pursue it as a bug at bugs.debian.org if it is important to you
[01:27:34] <andypugh> It seems back to front, somewaht
[01:27:45] <andypugh> I am not the first:
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/187593/how-to-remove-unwanted-desktop-packages-from-debian-without-deleting-everything
[01:28:28] <andypugh> Though it seems he could get back, he didn’t lose DNS resolution, so could rfeinstall
[01:35:47] <jepler> I guess the most you can say in defense of apt is that it says at each step what it's going to do..
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[01:37:47] <andypugh> Yes, but now I can never use autoremove again
[01:38:13] <andypugh> Unless (possibly) I manually install XFce?
[01:38:40] <jepler> let me get that vm up again and see what I can see
[01:38:53] <jepler> it depends how strong is your wish that orage be uninstalled
[01:40:49] <jepler> in my vm, I did 'apt get remove orage' which removed xfce4 and task-xfce-desktop as already discussed
[01:41:03] <jepler> which of course makes all those packages auto-removable
[01:41:33] <jepler> doing apt-get install task-xfce-desktop reinstalls orage and also makes the list of auto-removable packages go back down to 0
[01:42:09] <andypugh> I was just trying to remove stuff that a CNC controller doesn’t need. It doesn’t need a calendar, but unless I use Keystick, it does need some sort of GUI
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[01:45:31] <jepler> I understand the impulse
[01:48:56] <andypugh> I just got bitten badly by a) not reading the list and b) not expecting the whole GUI and networking to be a dependency of a calendar
[01:49:04] <jepler> if you want to find some fat that *can* be trimmed, you may want to look at task-xfce-desktop's list of Recommends:
[01:49:16] <seb_kuzminsky> remove it with dpkg instead of apt
[01:49:27] <seb_kuzminsky> then it won't pull the rest of the world down with it
[01:49:29] <jepler> a Recommends: can be removed without removing the package that names it
[01:49:44] <jepler> I'm not sure about seb_kuzminsky's advice so I'll fire up the vm again and test it
[01:50:30] <jepler> dpkg --remove orage refuses to do it
[01:50:59] <andypugh> At this point it probably makes sense to reinstall orage and pretend it doesn’t exis
[01:52:11] <jepler> doing that makes apt-get tell you that packages have unmet dependencies; running apt-get -f install as suggested reinstalls orage
[01:52:55] <jepler> someone who wanted to get familiar enough with debian packaging could make a task-cnc which pulls in just enough desktop to permit linuxcnc to work with a graphical UI and doesn't depend on stuff that's irrelevant to cnc
[01:53:39] <andypugh> Yes, I am sure that someone could :-)
[01:53:40] <jepler> look at the dependencies and recommends of xfce4 and task-xfce4-desktop, and pare it down as needed
[01:54:25] <andypugh> But my particular “someone” wants to get back to machining metal.
[01:54:44] <jepler> yeah I know the feeling
[01:55:01] <jepler> not that I've machined anything in years, but still
[01:55:28] <jepler> it's too easy yet not at all satisfying to get distracted by things 2 and 3 steps away what you actually want
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[01:56:13] <andypugh> I don’t mind that. But it needs to be my choice.
[01:57:21] <andypugh> I am currently very interested in different ways to do absolute homing with two resolvers. I don’t need that, but it’s something I want to look at. I don’t want to be fighting Apt
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[02:03:48] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: --force-depends
[02:05:28] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yes, I ran dpkg --remove --force-depends=xfce4 orage
[02:05:39] <jepler> apt-get insists you run apt-get -f install, and doing that reinstalls orage
[02:07:34] <mozmck> Is system configuration much different in jessie now that it uses systemd?
[02:08:30] <jepler> mozmck: there are a few hassles I have to re-fix on every new system, but I haven't written down a list. dns and ntp are the two main things I recall needing to change before it behaved like I preferred
[02:08:36] <andypugh> Is there a way other than dpkg-checkbuildeps to get all the stuff needed to build linuxcnc?
[02:08:39] <jepler> after that, systemd keeps out of the way mostly
[02:09:06] <jepler> andypugh: mk-build-deps produces a .deb which requires all the things that debian/contro lists as build-depends. I prefer doing that.
[02:09:11] <mozmck> ok. I haven't played with it much yet.
[02:09:26] <jepler> that's in package devscripts, and it additionally needs the package equivs
[02:10:41] <mozmck> andypugh: here is the command I run: run 'mk-build-deps -B control' - inside the debian directory
[02:11:44] <mozmck> Is there a way to customize the debian installer and make it ask less questions easily?
[02:12:41] <jepler> mozmck: > Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running. This makes it possible to fully automate most types of installation and even offers some features not available during normal installations.
[02:12:47] <jepler> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed
[02:13:03] <mozmck> ooh, interesting! thanks!
[02:13:29] <jepler> welcome
[02:14:05] <andypugh> I want it to ask more questions. Like “do you have a preferred UID”, “Would you like Orage”, “Do you really want Libre Office”
[02:14:48] <mozmck> heh, for most users, they have no clue what most of that means - or stuff about the partitions, etc - they just want a machine controller.
[02:16:07] <andypugh> It would be nice to have “give me lots of potentially useful app” or “just give me a bare-bones system with LinuxCNC, a text editor, a web browser and a package manager”
[02:16:24] <mozmck> That would be a nice option.
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[02:20:10] <mozmck> hmm, this looks interesting:
http://www.instalinux.com/
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[02:22:23] <andypugh> Incidentally, what is Mousepad for? Why would you write a text editor that can only open one file at a time?
[02:22:57] <jepler> the infrastructure cradek uses to build our live iso image lives here
http://timeguy.com/gitweb?p=live-images.git;a=summary -- clone url git://git.timeguy.com/live-images.git and then you have to manually check out branch 'debian'
[02:23:48] <jepler> some .list files are combined and they say what to install. I don't know the details
[02:23:59] <jepler> the stuff only works on debian wheezy, not anything newer.
[02:24:07] <jepler> and probably not on anything older
[02:24:53] <mozmck> thanks - I think I have that one.
[02:25:19] <mozmck> andypugh: Mousepad handles multiple files if it is new enough - and syntax highlighting etc.
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[02:27:11] <andypugh> mozmck: Oh, OK. Never exclude the possibilty of user error where I am concerned.
[02:27:43] <mozmck> for some reason it does not open new files in a new tab but uses a new window by default - I don't know if you can change that or not.
[02:28:03] <mozmck> I can drag and drop them onto a mousepad window and it will open them in a new tab in that window.
[02:29:15] <andypugh> In my experience it opens a new window and closes the old window
[02:29:34] <andypugh> But, perhaps I just don’t get on with computers
[02:30:08] <andypugh> for example, on my system, mk-build-deps gives me “command not found”
[02:30:28] <mozmck> apt-get install devscripts
[02:32:34] <andypugh> You know what? it’s 0230 and I am going to give up. This has been an evening to forget
[02:32:49] <andypugh> But thanks for trying to help
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[02:33:02] <mozmck> np, get some sleep!
[02:43:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05rtai-4.1 d3ee591 06linuxcnc 10debian/configure debian/configure: accept linux the new kernel without complaint * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3ee591
[02:43:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05rtai-4.1 174d8f0 06linuxcnc 10src/Makefile.inc.in 10src/configure.in 10src/hal/Submakefile handle building under RTAI 4.1 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=174d8f0
[02:44:06] <seb_kuzminsky> the kernel and rtai-modules are here if anyone wants to check it out:
[02:44:07] <seb_kuzminsky> deb
http://highlab.com/~seb/linuxcnc jessie main
[02:44:10] <seb_kuzminsky> it doesn't work yet
[02:44:28] <seb_kuzminsky> something's wrong with rtai's rtai_math.ko, and with some other parts too :-/
[02:45:34] <mozmck> I think that is some of the stuff that Alec worked on
[02:45:54] <mozmck> His branch is supposed to work with linuxcnc, but I don't know what all is different
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[02:53:54] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky:
https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI.git
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[03:00:46] <jepler> he has said that kernelspace math is totally broken in upstream rtai, and that a good portion of his effort is flogging that along
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[03:02:40] <seb_kuzminsky> rtai 4.1 does a crazy thing, of linking userspace object code from libc6-dev (libm.a) into a kernel module
[03:04:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd sure love it if there was one rtai dev community instead of 3+
[03:05:53] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: no way in hell that'll work
[03:06:09] <jepler> never mind that linuxcnc has also tried a variant of that in the (distant) past
[03:07:48] <jepler> c9f93c1 rtapi: drop support for alternate math libs
[03:08:00] <jepler> apparently I only deleted the dead support for that in 2014
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[03:26:17] <linuxcnc-build> build #267 of 1502.rip-jessie-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1502.rip-jessie-amd64/builds/267 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[03:27:05] <linuxcnc-build> build #3653 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/3653 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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[04:43:29] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05rtai-4.1 48c199e 06linuxcnc 10debian/configure accept the new amd64 rtai kernel without complaint * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=48c199e
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[15:16:21] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: It would be really nice if the website search also searched IRC logs
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[15:50:23] <Tom_itx> is there an 'official' log site?
[15:54:16] <archivist> many unofficial methinks
[15:54:25] <Tom_itx> yes
[15:58:14] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: yeah that would be great
[15:58:58] <mozmck> yes, I guess as far as that goes, it would also be nice if IRC logs were on linuxcnc.org too.
[16:00:51] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, how that should probably work is this
[16:01:04] <seb_kuzminsky> somebody commits to running their logger on wlo
[16:01:15] <seb_kuzminsky> somebody transfers existing logs in a compatible format to wlo
[16:01:37] <seb_kuzminsky> ... err, done (at that point google will index it since its on wlo, and the search will find it)
[16:01:38] <jepler> I think running irc bots is forbidden by dreamhost policy
[16:01:45] <seb_kuzminsky> haha
[16:01:47] <archivist> merge logs to fix gaps
[16:02:43] * seb_kuzminsky whistles and walks away
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[16:06:36] <mozmck> Hmm, maybe the bot can run somewhere else and just store the log on wlo?
[16:06:49] <mozmck> I don't know how the bots work really.
[16:07:14] <archivist> mine is a php bot storing in mysql
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[16:08:55] <archivist> some store in text files
[16:09:29] <mozmck> I think toms and psha's use text files - which are easily searchable.
[16:09:56] <mozmck> jepler: you are correct:
https://www.dreamhost.com/legal/acceptable-use-policy/
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[16:12:38] <Tom_itx> you're welcome to my logs if you can use them
[16:13:28] <Tom_itx> it's working at least _most_ of the time
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[16:14:51] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/index.html
[16:14:54] <Tom_itx> back to 2012
[16:15:24] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/index.html
[16:15:29] <Tom_itx> and mid 2013 for devel
[16:16:05] <Tom_itx> i doubt anything before that is relevant now anyway
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[16:17:34] <jepler> only for very long games of "I told you so"
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[16:18:23] <mozmck> I don't know - I'm browsing through some of the old NIST emails finding some information on how things work in linuxcnc :-)
[16:19:07] <archivist> I have #emc going back to 2010
[16:20:12] <Tom_itx> mine start at 2011 for that one
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[16:20:59] <Tom_itx> * ChanServ sets mode: +l 1
[16:21:02] <Tom_itx> final entry
[16:21:35] <archivist> rare styff like #emc-devel | seb_kuzminsky | 2010-08-10 21:06:06 | i can not ssh to it, best i have is a vnc to its locked-up console
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[16:24:02] <archivist> it would be "fun" merging data across timezones with all the offsets and gaps and delays on the irc servers
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[16:33:52] <jepler> jthornton: I ****built from source**** on linuxmint-17.2-xfce-64bit.iso and AXIS works fine. As I said before, I believe your mistake is using a package for a different linux distribution.
[16:34:50] <jepler> (all inside a qemu virtual machine)
[16:39:36] <mozmck> I have not had any problem with axis either, but I'm not using rtai either. I also built from source.
[16:43:33] <jepler> this was uspace against a vanilla kernel, but rtai is probably not the problem
[16:43:52] <jepler> at one point jt stated he was using a package from some other OS and I believe that's the problem
[16:47:27] <pcw_home> Yeah I built linuxcnc with Mint 17.2 and it all seemed to work ok (uspace also)
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[18:15:28] <Roguish> pcw_home: hey, how did you do the Mint OS? a script or ??? I have tried and Axis does not work. JT has the same problem.
[18:17:23] <mozmck> Roguish: are you installing the precise packages?
[18:17:46] <Roguish> all: there seems to be an anomaly in the .ini parser. in the [Traj] section if I add a '#' and comment after the parameter on a line the parser reads the # and comment as more parameters. do the same in [Axis] sections and every thing is cool.....
[18:18:28] <Roguish> mozmck: the pricise packages??? I have followed the description by JT on the forum.
[18:19:11] <Roguish> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/18-computer/29917-linux-mint-with-rtai?start=10#65548
[18:19:15] <mozmck> I think that installs packages built for ubuntu precise. pcw_home, jepler, and I have all built linuxcnc from source and it works fine.
[18:19:24] <jepler> the steps I did to build and install linuxcnc on linuxmint-17.2-xfce-64bit.iso:
http://paste.debian.net/334690/
[18:19:31] <jepler> uspace and I did not install any realtime kernel, but AXIS works
[18:19:51] <jepler> INSTALLING A PACKAGE BUILT FOR A DIFFERENT DISTRO WILL PROBABLY HAVE STUFF BROKEN AND THAT IS NOT A BUG.
[18:20:40] <Roguish> mozmck and jepler: thanks. I will follow down thru your procedure. and check it out.
[18:21:44] <Roguish> jepler. in my previous line about the parser, that is in Master on a straight forward Debian.
[18:22:17] <Roguish> was / is a completely different topic from the Mint issues.
[18:24:03] <jepler> FOO = bar # this is not a comment
[18:24:19] <jepler> our inifile format is underdocumented, but it only supports whole-line comments
[18:24:35] <mozmck> I thought I read that somewhere...
[18:25:42] <jepler> it may be the case that some places that expect numbers ignore anything after an initial part that parses as a number(?)
[18:27:21] <jepler> for instance, making this change, linuxcnc still starts just fine
[18:27:21] <jepler> -BACKLASH = 0.000
[18:27:21] <jepler> +BACKLASH = 0.000ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
[18:29:31] <jepler> and with 1.0asdfsadfasdfasdf it acts just like 1.0 was specified
[18:31:33] <Roguish> jepler: i've been using in line comments for quite a while in most all sections.
[18:32:33] <Roguish> without issues. I was just consolidating some lines with comments and ran into the cited issue.
[18:35:41] <jepler> consider this hypothetical inifile entry: REGISTER_FOR_FEED_RATE = #1000
[18:36:13] <jepler> and you'll see that we cannot actually make # a comment character
[18:37:11] <jepler> above I explained that it is a quirk in number parsing in some parts of linuxcnc that probably gave you the impression that a # could be used in this context to denote a comment
[18:37:16] <jepler> but it was a false impression
[18:38:17] <Roguish> jepler; that's cool. a brief word in the docs might help. i definitely see why it cannot be done. as i stated, 'anomaly' not bug.... i will avoid it where it does not work. THANKS. I always appreciate the help.
[18:39:36] <jepler> ok, you're welcome.
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[18:59:59] <jepler> this patch tightens up the inifile parser so that where a number is expected, trailing junk after the number is no longer ignored:
https://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/0001-inifile-detect-spurious-trailing-text-on-numbers-in-.patch
[19:00:30] <jepler> with my bad BACKLASH= line as above, I get this at startup (and linuxcnc doesn't work): INIFILE: ERR_CONVERSION, section=AXIS_0, tag=BACKLASH, num=1, lineNo=143
[19:00:49] <jepler> I don't plan to push it to any branch, it's just for demonstration purposes
[19:11:23] <jthornton> jepler: thanks I think I understand now, I'll build a RIP later today
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[19:21:47] <pcw_home> Roguish: as mozmck said I build linuxcnc from source on Mint and that works fine
[19:22:45] <pcw_home> ( I also built a Preemt-RT kernel and ran linuxcnc with real hardware on Mint )
[19:22:56] <Roguish> pcw_home: ok, i'm loading a new Mint now and will go thru jepler's install.
[19:22:59] <mozmck> Is there a way to tell task to synch interp from motion?
[19:23:48] <mozmck> It looks like I should probably NOT call emcTaskPlanSynch() from control.c
[19:24:16] <Roguish> jepler: i like that patch. it even tells the line number!!! you ought to push it. it's a good one.
[19:31:14] <jthornton> is there a configure switch to install?
[19:31:49] <mozmck> jthornton: no, you really should build packages to install
[19:31:51] <jepler> jthornton: you should either RIP or you should build a package. you shouldn't "make && make install".
[19:32:22] <jthornton> ok thanks
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[20:38:29] <jthornton> ok dokey I finally got it and understand more about it now, thanks for your patience with me
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[21:41:50] * JT-Shop just build a deb and installed it, not linuxcnc but a tiny step
[21:47:06] <jepler> to build for a rtai kernel that you've already booted into, it should suffice to run: debian/configure -r ; debuild
[21:47:15] <jepler> instead of the debian/configure uspace that I used
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[22:06:01] <cradek_> seb_kuzminsky: could you remind me what you didn't like about the g52 branch?
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[22:10:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05cradek/zultron/g52 a0cab80 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc interp_convert.cc: noop: wrap ridiculously long lines * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0cab80
[22:10:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05cradek/zultron/g52 c77a255 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc interp_convert.cc: use readable symbols for `switch(g_code)` * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c77a255
[22:10:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05cradek/zultron/g52 376d014 06linuxcnc 10(24 files in 6 dirs) Implement G52 offsets * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=376d014
[22:10:56] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05cradek/zultron/g52 cfd1523 06linuxcnc 10(11 files in 3 dirs) fixup: incorporate Chris Radek's feedback * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfd1523
[22:10:59] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/zultron/g52 53937cb 06linuxcnc 10docs/html/gcode.html add G52 to the quickref * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=53937cb
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[22:30:49] <Roguish> jepler: I am going thru your process for uspace on Mint. You use an amd.deb. I have an Intel 64. should I change or what???
[22:32:03] <jthornton> wow I did debian/configure -r and got successfully configured for 'LinuxMint-17.2'-'3.4-9-rtai-686-pae'..
[22:33:26] <Roguish> It seems like I should replace the 'amd64.deb' with 'i386.deb' yes??? no??? or what?
[22:33:37] <jthornton> opps missed the last par ; debuild
[22:34:29] <jthornton> oh wow it's building
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[23:07:22] <Roguish> just ran into a 'failure' in the 'signing' portion.
[23:07:23] <Roguish> 'gpg: skipped "Sebastian..... ..... secret key not available'
[23:07:25] <Roguish> 'gpg: /temp/debsign/........................... clearsign failed: secret key not available'
[23:07:26] <Roguish> 'debsign: pgp error.....'
[23:07:28] <Roguish> 'build fatal error at line 1283'
[23:07:29] <Roguish> 'running debsign failed'
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[23:09:20] <Roguish> ok, stuck. mr. wizard, help me.
[23:09:26] <Roguish> please
[23:14:45] <JT-Shop> what are you trying to do Roguish ?
[23:14:51] * JT-Shop heads inside
[23:15:00] <Roguish> still working on a Mint install.
[23:15:34] <Roguish> this one per jepler's process for uspace
[23:20:22] <mozmck> jthornton: to build debs you should be able to run: fakeroot debian/rules binary
[23:20:41] <mozmck> from your linuxcnc-dev directory - not the src directory
[23:21:02] <mozmck> You may have to install fakeroot and possibly something else - I don't know for sure.
[23:21:12] <jthornton> run fakeroot debian/rules first then run debian/configure -r ; debuild
[23:24:08] <Roguish> mozmck: is this signing thing required?
[23:26:07] <mozmck> jthornton: why are you running debian/rules first?
[23:26:38] <mozmck> I run debian/configure -r; then fakeroot debian/rules binary and when it's done you have packages.
[23:26:47] <jthornton> ok, thanks
[23:27:05] <jthornton> I really am guessing a lot lol
[23:27:38] <mozmck> Roguish: the signing should not be required
[23:28:11] <Roguish> ok. i suspected so.
[23:28:36] <mozmck> jthornton: debuild probably does the same thing as fakeroot debian/rules binary, but not completely sure.
[23:28:44] <Roguish> http://paste.debian.net/334690/
[23:28:53] <Roguish> that is jepler
[23:29:01] <Roguish> jepler's procedure.
[23:29:02] <jthornton> I got make: `debian/control' is up to date. when I ran fakeroot
[23:29:40] <mozmck> Roguish: I bet debuild is trying to sign the package after building. If you run "fakeroot debian/rules binary" it will not do that step.
[23:29:52] <jepler> if the .deb files were create in .. then you're fine
[23:30:01] <jepler> signing is not necessary just to install a package on your own system
[23:30:03] <mozmck> jthornton: "fakeroot debian/rules binary"
[23:30:18] <jepler> "debuild -uc -us" skips the signing steps
[23:30:28] <Roguish> jepler. thanks for coming back in. the debs were created.
[23:31:05] <jepler> amd64 vs i386 just means whether you installed a 64-bit OS or a 32-bit OS. It's not about the brand of your CPU.
[23:31:18] <Roguish> ok, added -uc -us
[23:31:48] <mozmck> jepler: I should probably use debuild - I'm signing my packages in a separate step right now.
[23:31:50] <Roguish> ah, ok. i will use the amd64 as the cpu is a 64bit.
[23:32:25] <mozmck> amd had 64 bit first, so it got called amd64 IIRC
[23:32:41] <Roguish> compiling again
[23:32:45] <jepler> debuild will automatically pick whatever the installed system is
[23:33:00] <jepler> you can of course install a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit system
[23:33:04] <jepler> the other way around doesn't work so hot
[23:33:42] <Roguish> where is the script doing this 'build' process? is it called 'build......'
[23:33:48] <Roguish> what directory.
[23:34:33] <mozmck> in the debian directory
[23:34:48] <mozmck> rules is the main script
[23:35:24] <Roguish> ok, i am just curious to scan it.
[23:40:20] <Roguish> probably have to add something into the sources list.
[23:40:42] <Roguish> to keep it updated (if it's possible with this type of build).
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[23:43:39] <jthornton> holy cow it worked, I'm just stoked right now... I don't even care that I forgot the salt in the bread
[23:44:23] <Roguish> use salted butter, lots of it
[23:45:03] <mozmck> :-) I've often salted fresh buttered bread.
[23:45:05] <jthornton> naw, I'll just postpone the shrimp poboys till tomorrow and make more
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[23:52:36] <jepler> my wife's family consistently makes their bread without salt and have for 40 years
[23:52:44] <jepler> luckily I was able to train her (my wife) out of it
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[23:58:16] <jthornton> New Orleans style french bread would not be the same I assume without salt
[23:59:03] <jthornton> Leidenheimer French Bread is the best imho
[23:59:43] <jthornton> this is as close as I can come to Leidenheimer's
http://gnipsel.com/recipes/bread/french-bread.html
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