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[01:36:13] <dgarr> seb_kuzminsky: i am not understanding what fern's commit did
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/fmsg.txt can you help?
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[01:40:23] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 05c98cd 06linuxcnc 10tests/halui/jogging/postgui.hal 10tests/halui/jogging/test-ui.py halui/jogging test: change which joint is selected while jogging * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=05c98cd
[01:40:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 69aa9e6 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc halui: fix some jogging bugs * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=69aa9e6
[01:41:26] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: looking...
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[01:43:47] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: yeah, something went wonky with fern's push
[01:47:05] <seb_kuzminsky> his commit cac0ffd8 has many of the same changes as you made in 0b349088, but some different things too, and (as you say) your commit message and author info and things
[01:47:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not sure how he ended up in that situation
[01:47:26] <seb_kuzminsky> git's sure not easy to pick up and start using :-(
[01:48:19] <dgarr> my suggestion is to first learn how to make patches with git format-patch and let folks like you look at them first. Do you think that would help?
[01:49:09] <seb_kuzminsky> git format-patch makes patch files out of git commits
[01:49:18] <seb_kuzminsky> so a prerequisite for that is to make proper git commits
[01:49:39] <dgarr> yes -- making proper commits before pushing is what i'm suggesting
[01:49:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i think a good step for fern would be to have his own git repo that he can push to, for example a clone of jepler's linuxcnc repo on github
[01:50:24] <seb_kuzminsky> he can do his work, push it there for review, and we (you or i) can merge it into your branch when it's ready
[01:51:20] <seb_kuzminsky> i think it's more convenient for us to work with his commits when they're in the form of a branch we can pull and inspect with gitk or git log or whatever, rather than a bunch of attachments to an email on the mailing lists
[01:52:57] <dgarr> from his second post to the list, it is not clear he knows you to run and test using rip build (yet)
[01:52:58] <seb_kuzminsky> you can see what's different between you 0b349088 and his cac0ffd8 with this command: git diff --stat -p cac0ffd8..0b349088
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[01:56:33] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: i think jepler pointed him at the run-in-place instructions in the top-level README of our git repo
[01:56:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not sure if he had any questions about it after that...
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[02:02:56] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 d5f635c 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.6' into 2.7 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5f635c
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[02:12:09] <skunkworks> jepler: did you see
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/20-g-code/29685-g76-pause-in-z-during-exit-taper-linux-cnc-2-7-0?start=10#65302
[02:12:54] <dgarr> seb_kuzminsky: using the git diff command you mentioned, i was able to reset the branch and apply the diff , should i go ahead and force push that to the branch?
[02:13:05] <skunkworks> rob made spindle synced motion fall back to parabolic blending. I think that would be just fine. (don't remeber ever hearing about someone having problems with it.
[02:13:07] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: that's great
[02:13:51] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: is your goal to reset the features_preview branch to be identical to your commit 0b3490888789cce1f7f40a08605fea382d4284af?
[02:14:03] <seb_kuzminsky> (that seems like a good goal to me, fwiw)
[02:14:13] <seb_kuzminsky> if so, i suggest this sequence of commands:
[02:14:16] <seb_kuzminsky> git fetch origin
[02:14:23] <seb_kuzminsky> git checkout features_preview
[02:14:57] <seb_kuzminsky> git merge --ff-only origin/features_preview
[02:15:32] <seb_kuzminsky> git reset --hard 0b3490888789cce1f7f40a08605fea382d4284af
[02:15:43] <seb_kuzminsky> git push --force origin features_preview
[02:15:45] <seb_kuzminsky> that should do it
[02:16:49] <seb_kuzminsky> the fetch just retrieves what's in that branch on origin (glo), you probably have this already
[02:17:02] <seb_kuzminsky> the checkout moves your local working dir to that branch
[02:17:15] <seb_kuzminsky> the merge --ff-only moves your branch ahead to be the same as what's on glo
[02:17:40] <seb_kuzminsky> the 'reset --hard' changes your branch to point to the named commit, and changes your working tree to that commit too
[02:18:14] <seb_kuzminsky> then finally the 'push --force' pushes that branch to glo, overriding git's natural disinclination to rewinding branches (since that loses commits from the history)
[02:18:52] <seb_kuzminsky> then we can work with fern to get his stuff into shape
[02:18:55] <seb_kuzminsky> sound good?
[02:19:51] <dgarr> no -- resetting to 0b349088 had conflicts when i tried to apply his diffs, however, resetting to cac0ffd worked and i could apply the diff
[02:20:17] <seb_kuzminsky> which diff are you applying?
[02:20:56] <dgarr> i created a patch file from git diff --stat -p cac0ffd8..0b349088 >/tmp/fern/diff.txt
[02:21:05] <skunkworks> the fusee was probably the worse case - and that worked great
[02:22:03] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: 0b349088 has you as the author and commiter, cac0ffd8 has you as author but fern as committer
[02:22:28] <dgarr> yeah - i totally don't know what he did to do that
[02:22:38] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah that a wacky commit for sure
[02:25:06] <seb_kuzminsky> the diff command i gave earlier is from his commit to your commit, so it's maybe the reverse of the diff we should be working with
[02:25:14] <seb_kuzminsky> sorry i pointed you i the wrong direction...
[02:25:36] <seb_kuzminsky> try git diff $YOURS..$HIS, ie git diff 0b349088..cac0ffd8
[02:26:27] <seb_kuzminsky> so that's the diff that you'd apply to $YOURS, in order to make the tree into $HIS
[02:27:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master fb1afd4 06linuxcnc 10tests/halui/jogging/test-ui.py Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb1afd4
[02:28:57] <dgarr> the branch looks ok with the way i did it -- so i think i should just force push it and move on (it will have me as author with credit to fern)
[02:28:58] <dgarr> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/0001-features_preview-catch-up-with-current-development-b.patch
[02:32:47] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: is the final result identical to commit fc7e8f7a4db19442d145477cda5fd04504ede28d?
[02:32:54] <seb_kuzminsky> is, to the merge-commit that fern made
[02:33:52] <seb_kuzminsky> *ie
[02:34:13] <skunkworks> I love that recent topics are on every page on the new forum.
[02:34:19] <seb_kuzminsky> you can check with "git diff $THIS..$THAT"
[02:39:38] <dgarr> seb_kuzminsky: i can't make sense of those diff outputs but i am pretty sure the force push i intend will incorporate his patch and make the branch right
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[02:41:56] <seb_kuzminsky> i think the tree you push (ie, the contents of your working dir) should be identical to the tree fern pushed, is that right?
[02:42:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i may be misunderstanding your intent here
[02:43:02] <dgarr> my intent is to just incorporate his intended changes on the branch and it will require a force push
[02:43:18] <dgarr> i'm running out of time this evening
[02:43:58] <dgarr> its a mystery what he did, i just want to fix it now
[02:44:21] <seb_kuzminsky> is the final thing that fern pushed the thing you want? ie, does it have all the changes you intended, and all the changes you think he intended?
[02:44:35] <dgarr> yes
[02:44:43] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, then i wouldn't worry about it
[02:44:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd just leave the branch the way it is
[02:45:05] <seb_kuzminsky> i thought we were working towards this:
[02:45:06] <seb_kuzminsky> 19:13:50 <+seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: is your goal to reset the features_preview branch to be identical to your commit 0b3490888789cce1f7f40a08605fea382d4284af?
[02:45:09] <seb_kuzminsky> 19:14:02 <+seb_kuzminsky> (that seems like a good goal to me, fwiw)
[02:45:25] <seb_kuzminsky> if you're happy with the tree as it is now, i would not take any action
[02:45:41] <dgarr> the tree now does not have his changes in it
[02:45:57] <dgarr> if you look at the files he wanted to change they are not changed
[02:50:02] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: if i run "git diff --stat -p 0b3490888789cce1f7f40a08605fea382d4284af..cac0ffd85526578ece22a8da4dcd43dc3404a1aa
[02:50:18] <seb_kuzminsky> ie, from your commit to the commit he made before his merge commit
[02:50:23] <seb_kuzminsky> then the diffstat has this:
[02:50:36] <seb_kuzminsky> configs/sim/gmoccapy/features_demo/gmoccapy.ini | 1 +
[02:50:37] <seb_kuzminsky> lib/python/gladevcp/features.py | 801 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------------------------------------------
[02:50:39] <seb_kuzminsky> share/features/catalogs/mill/defaults.ngc | 38 +---
[02:50:42] <seb_kuzminsky> share/features/features.glade | 184 +++++++++----------
[02:50:45] <seb_kuzminsky> 4 files changed, 358 insertions(+), 666 deletions(-)
[02:50:47] <seb_kuzminsky> those are the four files he mentioned in his email
[02:51:11] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont know if the changed files have the contents you both intended
[02:51:15] <seb_kuzminsky> i wish fern was here
[02:52:02] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll send fern an email with the things we've talked about
[02:52:13] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll cc you, and we can try to figure out together what should be done
[02:52:16] <dgarr> i have to go, if this push is wrong , apologies in advance
[02:52:29] <seb_kuzminsky> and maybe give fern some git tips at the same time ;-)
[02:52:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05features_preview 653a4c5 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/gmoccapy/features_demo/gmoccapy.ini 10lib/python/gladevcp/features.py 10share/features/catalogs/mill/defaults.ngc 10share/features/features.glade features_preview:catch-up with current development * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=653a4c5
[02:52:43] <dgarr> thanks
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[02:52:50] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll fetch it and check it out
[02:52:57] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks dgarr
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[03:01:57] <micges> seb_kuzminsky: halui is a real mess :|
[03:03:52] <seb_kuzminsky> micges: yeah... if it didn't successfully make awesome parts for tons of users i wouldn't like it at all ;-)
[03:04:21] <micges> hehe
[03:06:11] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: what you pushed (653a4c54) is identical to the thing you pushed before (0b349088), but it gets there by a different path (fern's commit, then the diff to make it equal to your original commit)
[03:06:23] <seb_kuzminsky> i think that means it subtracted out fern's changes
[03:41:12] <jepler> > No multiply instruction. Less RAM than an Apollo Guidance Computer. Lame.
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[04:01:42] <linuxcnc-build> build #1504 of 4017.deb-wheezy-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4017.deb-wheezy-amd64/builds/1504 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[04:01:42] <linuxcnc-build> build #1502 of 4016.deb-wheezy-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4016.deb-wheezy-i386/builds/1502 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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[04:27:38] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05features_preview_2 0b34908 06linuxcnc 10(17 files in 11 dirs) features_preview: relocate placeholders, +cleanups * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b34908
[04:27:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05features_preview_2 600192f 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/gmoccapy/features_demo/gmoccapy.ini 10lib/python/gladevcp/features.py 10share/features/catalogs/mill/defaults.ngc 10share/features/features.glade Fern's changes from cac0ffd8, I hope * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=600192f
[04:35:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i feel like such a jerk trying help people use git: "you have to understand the internal data model! use it daily for a couple of years and it'll all make sense!"
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[11:59:37] <jthornton> well all is not well yet with LinuxMint, I get an error trying to run the Axis sim. This is the only thing that looks like an error "_tkinter.TclError: NULL main window" but I don't know what it means. The full error
http://pastebin.ca/3256626
[12:00:00] <jthornton> I guess some dependency issue is the problem
[12:01:44] <jthornton> OTOH gscreen and gommcappty or however you spell it runs
[12:03:28] <jthornton> a quick google shows me that my Tcl/Tk version is 8.6 on this computer
[12:05:12] <jthornton> and the wheezy is 8.5
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[13:13:58] <jepler> axis works just fine on debian jessie, which also has Tcl/Tk 8.6.
[13:14:42] <jepler> If you installed any Tcl/Tk 8.5 packages in the process of installing build dependencies, remove them, reconfigure and rebuild
[13:14:56] <jepler> particularly any -dev packages which were for 8.5.
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[13:32:11] <jthornton> ok, I'll check
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[13:32:57] <jthornton> oh this is the installed version from buildbot not a RIP
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[14:07:49] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: are you using the debs built for precise?
[14:08:24] <seb_kuzminsky> precise uses tcl 8.5
[14:09:03] <seb_kuzminsky> are you using rtai or uspace?
[14:11:58] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: at the top it said something about run in place
[14:12:10] <jthornton> Linux mint 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:12:18] <jepler> er it said =NO
[14:12:20] * jepler goes back to bed
[14:12:29] <jepler> yeah you can't run debs from the wrong operating system
[14:13:31] * jthornton heads for the shower, if warmer a bar of soap and standing outside on the deck would work
[14:13:34] <jthornton> dang rain
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[14:24:28] <oshw> hello, i've a small patch for tooledit_widget.py regarding a bug into tool diameter sorting
[14:25:02] <seb_kuzminsky> oshw: do you have a git branch for us to look at? Or pastebin a diff and send us the link here
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[14:26:53] <oshw> i can pastebin, but what's the procedure for push request on directly on git?
[14:27:58] <oshw> i've quite limited understanding on git. I imagine a sort of fork on github, then commit the patch, then make a pull request?
[14:28:10] <seb_kuzminsky> oshw: yeah, that's
[14:28:49] <oshw> good, i'll try
[14:28:50] <seb_kuzminsky> fork us on github, clone your fork to your local machine, commit, push to your fork, and then send us a pr with your new commit
[14:29:59] <oshw> http://pastebin.com/SK48M5Fu
[14:30:03] <seb_kuzminsky> in your commit message, write what problem your commit fixes (and how, if it's tricky)
[14:30:06] * seb_kuzminsky clicks
[14:30:22] <oshw> this is the patch for tooledit sorting problem
[14:30:54] <seb_kuzminsky> you pastebinned the whole file, so we can't easily tell what you changed and what's the old file
[14:31:16] <oshw> ok i'm going to follow git route
[14:31:24] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks
[14:31:30] <seb_kuzminsky> i've gotta go, but i'll read back later
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[15:21:32] <oshw> pull request done
[15:24:29] <seb_kuzminsky> oshw: i see it
[15:26:09] <seb_kuzminsky> oshw: i'm not familiar with the tooledit widget, can you explain what it currently does that you think is wrong, and how your patch changes the behavior to fix it?
[15:27:19] <oshw> now the tooltable is sorted like: 1, 10, 1.1, 2, 3, etc.
[15:27:35] <oshw> sort is only for the first digit
[15:28:01] <oshw> very bad if you have a quite large tooltable :/
[15:28:32] <oshw> with this patch sorting is correct: 1, 1.1, 2, 3, 10, etc
[15:31:12] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm used to editing the tooltable file directly, or using the "tooledit" program, both sort by tool number by default (though i think the tooledit gui can sort by different columns)
[15:31:28] <seb_kuzminsky> does the tooledit widget sort by tool diameter (in the incorrect way you describe)?
[15:31:38] <oshw> yes
[15:31:50] <seb_kuzminsky> wow, strange
[15:31:56] <oshw> yep.
[15:32:02] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, your fix seems like a big improvement in that case
[15:32:10] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm gonna try it out here
[15:32:22] <oshw> thank you Seb
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[15:36:44] <seb_kuzminsky> is there a sample config in our tree that uses that widget?
[15:41:26] <oshw> gmoccapy
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[15:51:29] <seb_kuzminsky> oshw: i'll try that one, thanks
[15:52:06] <seb_kuzminsky> hrm, our config picker isn't working for me (running 2.7.2 uspace on jessie, displaying over ssh X-forwarding, clicking Ok just locks it up)
[15:52:11] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll try RIP
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[16:15:50] <seb_kuzminsky> how do i get to the tooledit widget in gmoccapy?
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[16:21:44] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, i see it
[16:21:56] <seb_kuzminsky> you have to come out of estop and turn the machine on before you can edit the tool table
[16:22:16] <oshw> yes
[16:22:40] <seb_kuzminsky> oshw: i now see the error you're reporting, and i agree the current behavior is totally wrong
[16:23:49] <seb_kuzminsky> your commit fixes the sort order
[16:23:51] <seb_kuzminsky> looks good to me
[16:23:54] <oshw> :)
[16:24:09] <oshw> my first commit to linuxcnc!
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[16:24:39] <seb_kuzminsky> c_morley: you know this code much better than i do, do you have any feedback? do you mind if i merge it?
[16:24:43] <seb_kuzminsky> oshw: thanks!! :-)
[16:24:53] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, it should probably go on an earlier branch though
[16:25:03] <seb_kuzminsky> does 2.6 have tooledit_widget? 2.7?
[16:25:18] <oshw> yes also 2.6
[16:25:26] <seb_kuzminsky> ok
[16:25:36] <seb_kuzminsky> do you know how to move your commit to be based on 2.6?
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[16:26:06] <oshw> git checkout 2.6, then do as done?
[16:26:13] <seb_kuzminsky> git checkout 2.6
[16:26:20] <oshw> ok
[16:26:34] <seb_kuzminsky> then "git cherry-pick $COMMIT"
[16:26:52] <oshw> ok
[16:26:53] <seb_kuzminsky> where COMMIT identifies the commit that's currently at the tip of your master branch
[16:26:57] <oshw> yep
[16:27:09] <seb_kuzminsky> you could use the sha of the commit, or just "master", since that happens to point to the commit you want
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[16:28:21] <seb_kuzminsky> oshw: if you put into the commit message the explanation you gave me up above, about the sort order being wrong before and right afterwards, it'll help c_morley and niemand sonst (the gmoccapy author) when they look at it
[16:28:53] <seb_kuzminsky> also, commit with "-s", to add a signed-off-by line to your commit message, to indicate that you publish your commit under the GPLv2 license
[16:32:32] <oshw> after switch with "git checkout 2.6" i cant do the cherry-pick because of "merge problems"
[16:32:42] <oshw> i've to reset the branch?
[16:34:05] <seb_kuzminsky> hold on
[16:34:38] <seb_kuzminsky> what does "git status" say?
[16:35:11] <oshw> Unmerged paths: both modified: tooledit_widget.py
[16:35:15] <seb_kuzminsky> if it says there's a merge conflict in tooledit_widget.py, that means the original of that file in master and the original in 2.6 are different enough that your patch doesn't apply cleanly in 2.6
[16:35:20] <seb_kuzminsky> yep, that's it
[16:35:34] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, then you have to edit the file by hand and make it so your fix applies cleanly in 2.6
[16:35:38] <seb_kuzminsky> sorry :-/
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[16:35:43] <seb_kuzminsky> hopefully it won't be too bad
[16:35:55] <oshw> ok np
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[16:41:03] <seb_kuzminsky> that's ok
[16:41:18] <seb_kuzminsky> with git you can modify your most recent commit with "git commit --amend"
[16:41:22] <seb_kuzminsky> so try "git commit --amend -s"
[16:43:30] <oshw> and should comment out the last commit?
[16:43:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont understand what you're asking?
[16:44:05] <seb_kuzminsky> do you mean the commit you originally made on your master branch, the one you sent the PR for?
[16:44:33] <oshw> git commit --amend -s open the COMMIT_EDITMSG, then what i should do?
[16:44:50] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, i see
[16:45:10] <seb_kuzminsky> you're currently editing the commit message, so if you're happy with what it says, just save and exit
[16:45:19] <seb_kuzminsky> what you save is what the final commit message will be
[16:45:26] <seb_kuzminsky> (unless you amend again and edit it)
[16:46:21] <oshw> but i've pushed it. I do add, commit, push automatically
[16:46:39] <oshw> so i have to with amend i can modify the commit, but i've pushed it
[16:46:46] <seb_kuzminsky> you pushed the un-signed-off commit to 2.6 on your github account?
[16:46:50] <oshw> yes
[16:46:53] <seb_kuzminsky> ah, i see
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[16:47:53] <seb_kuzminsky> dont tell anyone i said this, but i think you should use "git push --force $GITHUB 2.6" (where $GITHUB is the name of your remote that points at your github repo)
[16:48:07] <oshw> hehe
[16:48:28] <seb_kuzminsky> that'll overwrite your 2.6 branch in your github repo with the 2.6 branch in your local repo, which you've set up to be more correct
[16:48:49] <seb_kuzminsky> normally we don't force-push, precisely because it overwrites remote branches (rather than append to them, like a normal push does)
[16:49:12] <seb_kuzminsky> but in this case it's your private remote repo, and you have not yet sent us a PR for the 2.6 branch, so it'll be ok
[16:49:49] <seb_kuzminsky> then you can close the PR you made for our master branch, and open a new PR asking us to merge your 2.6 branch into our 2.6 branch
[16:50:29] <seb_kuzminsky> c_morley and/or norbert (niemand) will look at it and merge it if they agree with your change, or give you better feedback than i can on what they think should change
[16:50:56] <seb_kuzminsky> as far as i can tell, it's a good change that makes the behavior better in a clean way, so it has my endorsement
[16:53:22] <oshw> 2.6 PR done
[16:54:12] <oshw> is it ok?
[16:55:34] <oshw> i see two PR, one for master other for 2.6
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[17:10:46] <jepler> you should only make a pull-request for the oldest branch to receive the fix
[17:11:12] <jepler> newer branches will get the same fix by what is called "merging up"
[17:11:22] <jepler> that is, all changes in 2.6 are later merged to 2.7, and all changes in 2.7 are merged to master
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[17:17:57] <oshw> ok
[17:18:03] <oshw> thank you for your time Seb
[17:23:48] <seb_kuzminsky> sure thing, thanks for your fix :-)
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[18:27:23] <JT-Shop> I just did a fresh install in LinuxMint following these instructions
http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxmint/LinuxMint%20Notes.txt
[18:27:48] <JT-Shop> The docs showed up and the latency test works
[18:28:14] <JT-Shop> same as before Axis crashes with these errors
http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxmint/Errors.txt
[18:28:29] <JT-Shop> I made sure not to install and dev stuff
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[18:31:11] <seb_kuzminsky> JT-Shop: i'm not sure about the crash, ubt i'd suggest removing the dkms stuff instead of forcing a recompile
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[19:12:30] <cradek> [drm:i915_init] *ERROR* drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp module!
[19:12:34] <cradek> does this mean you have broken opengl?
[19:14:38] <jthornton> hmmm
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[19:22:55] <skunkworks> does glxgears run?
[19:23:17] <jthornton> yes
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[19:48:39] <jthornton> I ran sudo dmesg -c then ran Axis and the dmesg part is a lot shorter. sorry for not doing the before.
http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxmint/Errors.txt
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[19:49:40] <cradek> _tkinter.TclError: NULL main window
[19:49:45] <cradek> this is still the error
[19:49:48] <cradek> I don't know what it means
[19:50:20] <jthornton> sounds like tkinter is having a problem creating the window
[19:50:57] <cradek> are you using wheezy debs on a nonwheezy system?
[19:51:12] <jthornton> precise
[19:51:27] <cradek> what
[19:51:59] <jthornton> deb
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ precise 2.7-rt
[19:52:07] <cradek> is your system precise?
[19:52:30] <jthornton> on LinuxMint patched with Linux mint 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:54:10] <cradek> which mint? is it based on precise?
[19:54:36] <jthornton> I'm looking to be sure
[19:56:43] <jthornton> oh crumb no its based on trusty
[19:57:02] <cradek> you'll probably have to build your own packages then
[19:57:27] <jthornton> yuck
[19:57:48] <cradek> why are you doing this? you want whatever they call the gnome2 successor?
[19:57:53] <jthornton> I'll install 13 which is based on precise
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[19:58:15] <jthornton> debian wheezy is too hard to work with
[19:58:19] <jthornton> nothing works right
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[19:58:34] <jthornton> can't get sharing to work
[19:58:51] <jthornton> tired of typing in my username and password
[19:58:56] <jthornton> and it goes on and on
[19:59:24] <jthornton> I just want something that works as good as Ubuntu 10.04
[19:59:41] <cradek> can't blame you :-(
[19:59:54] * jthornton goes back to work
[20:00:14] <cradek> ubuntu10 was definitely a local maximum
[20:01:29] <cradek> I think it was mint13 that I tried, and it was pretty wonky. hope it works for you.
[20:01:53] <skunkworks> jthornton: I have a samba file that seems to work ok with wheezy.
[20:02:00] <skunkworks> smb.conf
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[20:02:33] <skunkworks> it allows you to connect to the share without a password. (I like living on the edge..)
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[20:17:00] <KimK_laptop> "I just want something that works as good as Ubuntu 10.04", I have to say I agree with jthornton. BTW, Cinnamon is the fork of Gnome 3 and MATE (MAH-tay) is the fork of Gnome 2. I'm currently using Mint 17.2 Cinnamon for my laptop and liking it, but I haven't yet tried jthornton's forum script to install LinuxCNC. I will, though.
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[20:17:50] <cradek> let's all pour one out for gnome2 and ubuntu10
[20:18:04] <cradek> thanks for the memories, you local maximums
[20:18:07] <KimK_laptop> Indeed!
[20:18:19] <cradek> ok I'm over it now
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[20:25:46] <KimK_laptop> Mint 17.2 has Cinnamon 2.6, Mint 17.3 will have Cinnamon 2.8, which adds further desktop refinements.
http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2015/11/cinnamon-2-8-released/
[20:27:01] <mozmck> I'm using xubuntu 14.04 and mint 17.x with preempt-rt without any problems, but I'm compiling everything myself.
[20:27:29] <cradek> I just can't stomach ubuntu anymore, since they added the amazon spyware features
[20:27:52] <mozmck> I find mint to be the nicest overall, doesn't really matter which DE.
[20:28:09] <mozmck> I'm pretty sure that stuff is not in Xubuntu
[20:28:32] <cradek> yeah probably not, but I don't care
[20:28:48] <cradek> I don't trust them anymore because they aren't working in the interest of their users
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[20:39:00] <KimK_laptop> mozmck: Have you written up a guide to that do-it-yourself preempt-rt compiling, for the rest of us?
[20:40:06] <mozmck> No, but I probably should. Parts of it are not real simple since I use the ubuntu kernel building scripts to generate packages.
[20:52:11] <KimK_laptop> I read that Mint 18 will be based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, and will have easy (one click in Synaptic?) desktop switching, but I don't have a link handy. So Mint 18 should be a good one to install long-term, regardless of DE. (Mint offers XFCE too, of course.)
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[21:03:43] <mozmck> Yes, I use a hybrid of XFCE with the file manager from Cinnamon.
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[21:13:08] <jepler> I bet if I used file managers and such I'd have a strong opinion about DEs too
[21:13:46] <cradek> true
[21:14:12] <jepler> and I do do things like change the window manager from the xfce default to openbox, so it's not like I'm thrilled with xfce as shipped
[21:15:21] <jepler> the core thing to remember is: it's not that we hate your particular choices when you prefer mint or ubuntu or fedora or gentoo to debian
[21:16:04] <jepler> but the core people who are actually writing the packaging scripts and building the kernels get to pick what they prefer and work on that
[21:22:16] <KimK_laptop> No problem. Plus there's the pure-open factor of Debian, which I get. (Yes, Mint has a mint-search-enhancer to remove. They get funding from that, they say.)
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