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[00:19:33] <cradek> oh that's much better
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[00:26:49] <andypugh> It occurs to me that in about 5 years i have never seen a forum avatar that I wouldn’t approve. Perhaps we could turn off the manual approval?
[00:27:25] <andypugh> (As folk are re-instating their pictures on the new forum it’s beginning to get a bit tedious)
[00:27:33] <cradek> I assume you can retrounapprove them?
[00:28:05] <cradek> can you change it? you're an admin and I think you should do what you think is best
[00:28:07] <andypugh> I think that would be possible yes. If, for example they had a Mach3 screenshot or something else hideous.
[00:28:30] <andypugh> Hmm, I wonder if I can change it?
[00:28:31] <cradek> an eagle with donald trump hair crying a single tear?
[00:29:57] <jepler> andypugh: I saw a setting for that somewhere
[00:30:04] <jepler> andypugh: do you want me to go looking again?
[00:30:42] <andypugh> Are the settings still under www.linuxcnc.org/administrator or is there a separate admin URL for the new forum?
[00:30:56] <jepler> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/administrator
[00:31:08] <jepler> anything you do that doesn't have forum in the URL is a different system altogether
[00:31:18] <andypugh> Yes, I just tried randomly guessign that that was it, and it was :-)
[00:31:32] <jepler> under community builder configuration, moderation, I turned "require upload image approval" off
[00:31:37] <jepler> let's see if that's it
[00:34:05] <jepler> I think so, my test user uploaded a profile image and didn't get the note about needing approval
[00:35:35] <andypugh> Ah, you mean under Components->Community Builder->Configuration, not under Community Builder -> Configuration….
[00:42:48] <cradek> yay! /new is getting steadily better
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[01:36:16] <jepler> how long until it's good enough to replace wlo?
[01:36:30] <cradek> he said maybe tomorrow
[01:36:56] <andypugh> what does wlo actually stand for?
[01:37:00] <jepler> www.linuxcnc.org
[01:37:07] <jepler> flo is forum.linuxcnc.org
[01:37:14] <cradek> guess what glo is
[01:37:20] <jepler> of course wlo could just as well stand for wiki.linuxcnc.org so we have to be careful
[01:37:25] <cradek> ooh
[01:37:31] <andypugh> garibaldibiscuits.linuxcnc.org?
[01:38:16] <jepler> gastrointestinal.linuxcnc.org ?
[01:38:54] <jepler> whatchamacallit.linuxcnc.org
[01:39:04] <jepler> flibbertigibbet.linuxcnc.org
[01:39:22] <cradek> it's getting silly in here
[01:39:25] <jepler> sorry
[01:39:30] <andypugh> anyway, it’s waypastmybedtime.linuxcnc.org now. Goodnight chaps.
[01:39:33] <jepler> see you andypugh
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[02:53:02] <skunksleep> Seem a bit zippyer than the old site
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[03:01:51] <jepler> skunksleep: that would be a nice bonus
[03:02:59] <jepler> I sure didn't use the old forum enough to know
[03:20:59] <jepler> I compared a random page from the google cache to the page newly generated by flo, and it is indeed faster
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[03:21:30] <jepler> .. but not by a whole lot. google cache: "time to create page: 0.154 seconds" flo: "time to create page: 0.139 seconds"
[03:21:39] <jepler> and that number is highly variable, so I wouldn't read to much into it
[03:22:49] <skunksleep> Well new posts on the old site took seconds here before. Now it is almost instantaneous
[03:23:20] <jepler> that's great
[03:24:33] <skunksleep> I like it! Great work!
[03:25:14] <jepler> a lot of people here and on the forum have been saying thanks. I have appreciated that.
[03:26:48] <skunksleep> I know how hard this was for you... You don't even like forums ;)
[03:28:35] <jepler> if you don't stop you'll have me really thinking I'm heroic
[03:29:31] <skunksleep> :)
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[03:31:19] <seb_kuzminsky> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/34/de/32/34de3270c6d495800dd3f12bc2d4f6fd.jpg
[03:33:18] <jepler> wow yesterday flo got ~160k hits
[03:33:28] <jepler> 105k so far today
[03:33:38] <seb_kuzminsky> it's all jeff's robot clicking reload over and over
[03:33:51] <jepler> that's lines of access.log so it includes images and suchlike
[03:34:00] <seb_kuzminsky> that's pretty amazing
[03:34:26] <seb_kuzminsky> does the forum software have any analytics?
[03:35:05] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I don't think so
[03:35:11] <jepler> about 5.75% are requests over ipv6
[03:35:26] <seb_kuzminsky> that's a surprise to me
[03:35:32] <jepler> 1504 distinct IP addresses
[03:36:06] <jepler> huh so about 100 accesses per IP
[03:36:40] <jepler> most google search results for "joomla analyitcs" are about adding google analytics and I don't think there's any benefit to that
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[03:36:50] <jepler> same if I spell "analytics" correctly
[03:37:32] <seb_kuzminsky> that's a dangerous word to typo on google, i bet
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[03:37:48] <jepler> it's not my first time riding a rollercoaster
[03:38:49] <jepler> wlo is pronounced "willow" right?
[03:40:30] <jepler> oh and google is already busy indexing flo. 6800 hits yesterday and 4500 today.
[03:40:53] <seb_kuzminsky> http://amberwingardenglish10b.weebly.com/uploads/2/7/3/1/27315529/7381572.jpg
[03:40:56] <jepler> .. flo is already the 2nd hit for linuxcnc forum, right after wlo
[03:41:51] <jepler> more like
https://dvdbash.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/buffy-alyson-hannigan-willow-dvdbash22.jpg tyvm
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[03:42:58] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, point taken
[03:43:12] <seb_kuzminsky> our old website is seriously crufty:
[03:43:15] <seb_kuzminsky> Support currently exists for version 2.4 and 2.6 Linux kernels with real time extensions applied by RT-Linux or RTAI patches
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[03:58:20] <webchat-dude> the freenode webchat is functional, but probably not useful to folks who aren't used to irc already
[03:58:27] <seb_kuzminsky> i couldn't agree with you more, webchat-dude
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[03:59:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i naively wish there was a quick, easy way for people to report bugs, without having to sign up for a forum or sourceforge, and without having to join a mailing list
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[04:26:28] <skunksleep> Wow. I finally got an add stream playing on Android from mythtv. That was harder than expected. It involved vlc with an 'add helper' for it
[04:27:16] <skunksleep> And when I said add I meant asx.
[04:28:23] <skunksleep> It seems pretty smooth. Now I can catch up on recordings instead of sleeping
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[05:55:16] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i think
http://linuxcnc.org/new/ is ready
[05:55:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i mostly removed stuff that didnt make sense any more
[05:55:56] <seb_kuzminsky> some of the old old News posts are broken, unless someone wants to save them i'm just going to remove them
[05:56:14] <seb_kuzminsky> then replace the main website tomorrow night
[05:56:43] <seb_kuzminsky> speak now or forever hold your peace
[05:56:52] <seb_kuzminsky> or, you know, send me a PR
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[12:23:01] <Tom_itx> no more search or login form?
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[13:20:30] <jepler> Tom_itx: yes, the new linuxcnc.org website will have no "search" feature, it's not something jekyll supports.
[13:20:36] <jepler> and yes, no need to log in to the website anymore
[13:22:26] <jepler> to say a bit more on search: there *are* a lot of possibilities that show up when you search for 'jekyll search' but none of them are default things. if the prereqs for one of those kinds of search functionality are in debian jessie, I think seb_kuzminsky would be happy to consider a github pull request to add it
[13:22:59] <jepler> the second option is to add a google site search, which is easier to implement but of course sends all the search info to google
[13:24:02] <jepler> there is sitll a search on the forum, of course
[13:24:07] <archivist> or one of us does something, let me run my indexer on the site :)
[13:24:41] <jepler> ah it seems the old website search is already a google search
[13:25:48] <archivist> I will run my indexer in a bit, it also finds bad links
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[13:29:16] <jepler> the normal jekyll search solutions will not be satisfactory, because I think the user expectation is that it searches the docs (among other things), but those pages are outside of jekyll..
[13:31:27] <archivist> started it, "may take some time"
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[14:14:18] <seb_kuzminsky> a search of the forum sounds useful
[14:14:24] <seb_kuzminsky> a search of the docs sounds useful
[14:14:49] <seb_kuzminsky> a search of the "main website" does not sound useful, because it has so little content
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[14:20:26] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yes
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[15:14:42] <Roguish> seb_kuzminsky and jepler: a search of the IRC archives is also very useful.
[15:20:36] <seb_kuzminsky> Roguish: good point
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[15:21:25] <skunkworks> ummm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VBsVv6t1M
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[15:24:01] <jepler> neat
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[15:24:56] <seb_kuzminsky> cool, i haven't heard from Sascha Ittner for a while
[15:24:59] <jepler> I still won't touch ethercat, because if you start looking you find statements like "Using the EtherCAT technology and brand is only permitted in compliance with the industrial property and similar rights of Beckhoff Automation GmbH."
[15:26:46] <cradek> icky
[15:28:08] <jepler> assuming this assertion of "industrial property and similar rights" is not just toothless -- and who would be interested in fighting such a fight? -- then it constitutes an additional restriction of the sort that is not permitted by the GPL
[15:30:01] <jepler> zultron has written on the topic as well, in the context of MK:
http://www.dovetail-automata.com/articles/2015/04/23/machinekit-ethercat-licensing/ -- though he ultimately decides there might be some way to carefully slice this baby up into GPL and non-GPL parts.
[15:30:47] <jepler> personally I find such slicing to be a sign of trying to evade the spirit of the GPL and certainly wouldn't spend my time doing it
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[15:32:55] <cradek> yeah, and that's explicit in sentence 2
[15:33:02] <cradek> > The question remaining is whether GPL loop holes can be exploited to make the combination possible
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[16:14:47] <Tom_itx> seb_kuzminsky, the main website search may be redundant now but as it was all combined before it was useful
[16:15:29] <Tom_itx> finding articles on 'how ppl did this or that' was quite useful
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[16:20:29] <Tom_itx> i found it useful not so much for the features or docs but for how ppl came up with solutions
[16:22:30] <mozmck> PCW: in a forum post you said that one can use stepgen pins for GPIO if the stepgen is not enabled in HAL - I was under the impression that you could not do that?
[16:24:07] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: if the stepgen is not enabled in the config line you can use its pins as gpio
[16:24:19] <seb_kuzminsky> afaik
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[16:25:57] <mozmck> Ok, I probably misunderstood something before then.
[16:25:57] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: is there some info on the current joomla website that's useful, that should be saved? i looked carefully and did not see much worth keeping, i copied the good bits to
http://linuxcnc.org/new
[16:26:24] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: please let me know if i missed and deleted anything useful!
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[16:26:47] <Tom_itx> hard to say without a search engine present
[16:27:02] <Tom_itx> i suppose google is it for now
[16:27:29] <Tom_itx> and residue from the old site will remain there for some time
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[16:27:38] <jepler> Tom_itx: you can get the whole text of the new website via git too
https://github.com/sebkuzminsky/wlo
[16:27:44] <jepler> so you can "git grep" in there to search the whole /new site
[16:28:20] <Tom_itx> someone should keep a backup of the old one for a while
[16:28:42] <Tom_itx> just in case..
[16:29:16] <jepler> we can't keep it "live" as a dynamic php/joomla site on www.linuxcnc.org or dreamhost will keep disabling the whole site at random intervals
[16:29:34] <Tom_itx> right
[16:29:39] <jepler> cradek keeps backups of the site (files and mysql) but those aren't useful for searching and can't directly be put back online either
[16:30:16] <Tom_itx> i wonder how much space it would take
[16:30:43] <jepler> and we wouldn't want to share the sql dump with someone "untrusted" either, since it contains (encrypted) account passwords and e-mail addresses
[16:30:48] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: can you point me to the parts of the old site you think are worth propagating onto the new site?
[16:31:02] <seb_kuzminsky> (old == current site)
[16:32:41] <jepler> Tom_itx: you can also use the github search feature to search the source code for "new" wlo
[16:32:44] <jepler> e.g.
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/wlo/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=debian
[16:33:18] <Tom_itx> is the new forum searchable?
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[16:33:33] <jepler> the forum has its own search
http://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/search
[16:34:01] <jepler> and google has already been busy indexing it, over 10,000 hits from them in two days
[16:34:10] <seb_kuzminsky> that's cool
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[16:35:02] <Tom_itx> what i found was typing 'toolchanger' 'carousel' 'pendant' etc in the search and come up with articles from the forum, wiki and main docs as a single source search was rather handy
[16:35:30] <seb_kuzminsky> i see, yes that makes sense
[16:35:35] <Tom_itx> i realize the forum is handled separately now too though
[16:35:51] <seb_kuzminsky> on the old (current) website, the search bar is just a google "site:linuxcnc.org" search, i think
[16:35:51] <jepler> we can get that with the new site just by putting the equivalent google site search on the new site
[16:36:02] <jepler> yes I also believe it's essentially that
[16:36:08] <Tom_itx> otherwise you could miss some important article on a topic
[16:36:52] <Tom_itx> the forum will reside on a separate server now?
[16:36:56] <jepler> yep
[16:37:05] <Tom_itx> that will make cross searching difficult
[16:37:12] <seb_kuzminsky> not at all
[16:37:29] <seb_kuzminsky> try typing "site:linuxcnc.org carousel" into googl
[16:37:30] <seb_kuzminsky> google
[16:37:37] <seb_kuzminsky> it'll find forum, docs, and wiki pages
[16:37:44] <seb_kuzminsky> just like the old (current) website search
[16:38:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll see about adding a search like that to the new website
[16:38:02] <cradek> is it hard to put that on our site?
[16:38:05] <cradek> oh hey
[16:38:08] <Tom_itx> that's cool..
[16:38:09] <seb_kuzminsky> hey hey
[16:40:11] <jepler> "google custom search" is their facility for creating these searches
[16:40:17] <jepler> you can enter a list of domains searched, among other things
[16:42:06] <jepler> cradek: did you decide it was a waste of time to get jekyll on wheezy?
[16:43:05] <cradek> it looked impossible to me
[16:44:03] <cradek> the build deps had other things called -jekyll- and I stopped there
[16:44:45] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/custom-search/
[16:45:21] <seb_kuzminsky> not pretty, but the functionality is there
[16:45:27] <jepler> yeah looks like hell
[16:46:52] <jepler> but it sure gives the general idea of how it would *work*
[16:49:37] <jepler> hmm google has forgotten to bring their new logo to the greyed out image in that search box
[16:49:41] <Tom_itx> thanks a bunch.. seems to work fine
[16:53:46] <seb_kuzminsky> great :-)
[16:57:55] <seb_kuzminsky> the search bar is a good thing not to lose, thanks for the suggestion
[16:58:47] <Tom_itx> yeah it could use a little 'pretty' but it works fine
[17:07:28] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont really do pretty :-/
[17:07:36] <Roguish> hey that search bar is good. like it.
[17:08:04] <Roguish> hate google, but the Evil Empire is practically impossible to avoid......
[17:08:10] <seb_kuzminsky> prettier?
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/custom-search/
[17:08:56] <Tom_itx> better yes
[17:09:25] <seb_kuzminsky> ugh, the top looks really busy to me now
[17:09:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i prefer websites to look simple and clean
[17:09:56] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe we should move the search to its own page? and add a link to it in the navbar
[17:10:04] <jepler> I wish anything saying "Google™" was less prominent
[17:10:19] <Roguish> nit picky: can the line of text links "History......Source" be centered?
[17:11:00] <jepler> I'm sure it could be
[17:11:27] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: hm I thought I'd offered a patch that spaced out the 'current releases' more, but that's not happening now
[17:11:36] <Tom_itx> put it at the bottom in the footer or something
[17:12:27] <Tom_itx> it could be smaller yet too
[17:12:37] <cradek> the spacing looks right to me
[17:12:56] <cradek> oh wait, it changed on /custom-search
[17:13:09] <seb_kuzminsky> i keep pushing to the custom-search branch
[17:13:14] <seb_kuzminsky> sorry that's confusing
[17:13:20] <jepler> the css rule I wrote
[17:13:23] <seb_kuzminsky> i just moved the search to its own page, linked in the navbar
[17:13:57] <jepler> "center.releases a { padding-left: 12px; } doesn't apply because the current releases are no longer in a <center class="releases">
[17:14:12] <Tom_itx> maybe add a 'home' button on each page
[17:14:13] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: my bad, sorry
[17:14:14] <jepler> otherwise I like bringing up the 'current releases' text
[17:14:19] <Tom_itx> not critical
[17:14:43] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: Home is a good idea. clicking the LinuxCNC or the Chips logo at the top brings you Home, but that's not at all obvious
[17:16:50] <jepler> I feel like there are too many items in the navigation bar at this point
[17:16:53] <Tom_itx> or put the txt 'home' below the logo
[17:16:55] <jepler> but I don't know which one(s) to take out
[17:16:59] <Tom_itx> i agree
[17:17:06] <cradek> -history
[17:17:13] <jepler> "Documentation" -> "Docs" ?
[17:17:51] <Tom_itx> download is 404
[17:18:00] <jepler> "Search" -> [search icon] ?
[17:18:02] <jepler> Tom_itx: yes.
[17:18:11] <Tom_itx> that could be because it's the test page
[17:18:26] <cradek> I think News should be at the bottom under the news excerpt and be something like More...
[17:18:26] <seb_kuzminsky> +1 on -history
[17:18:42] <jepler> Download and Documentation links are intended to be links outside of the jekyll pages, but the URLs aren't right until it's served from www.linuxcnc.org's root directory
[17:18:47] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: the docs link is broken on the wlo-test test server
[17:18:48] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[17:19:27] <jepler> we could write them as absolute links I suppose
[17:19:57] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i put the header back how it was, and moved search to its own page:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/custom-search/
[17:20:26] <seb_kuzminsky> on my screen the addition of Search to the navbar pushes it to a second line, it no longer lines up with the big LinuxCNC...
[17:20:43] <seb_kuzminsky> this is silly, i'm going to move History to the main docs
[17:20:46] <Tom_itx> the linuxCNC txt may be redundant with the logo presetnt
[17:21:17] <Tom_itx> unless phones etc do txt only
[17:21:36] <cradek> I agree
[17:21:52] <cradek> I love that people are interested in making the website look good
[17:21:57] <cradek> thanks for kicking this off, seb_kuzminsky
[17:22:15] <jepler> <img alt="LinuxCNC" ...>
[17:22:22] <Tom_itx> yeah
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[17:24:07] <Tom_itx> Simple installation on Debian and Ubuntu, or via our Live/Install DVD/USB images.
[17:24:15] <Tom_itx> could be links to said images
[17:24:41] <jepler> please don't workshop the front page text on the custom-search branch, I just fixed two trivial typos on master branch
[17:24:46] <Tom_itx> since it's one thing that's usually sought after
[17:25:19] <cradek> we have merging now!
[17:27:09] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master 40c1ea7 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/getting-started/about-linuxcnc.txt docs: add a History blurb (from the main joomla website) * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=40c1ea7
[17:27:10] <seb_kuzminsky> :-)
[17:27:24] <Tom_itx> what page should i be looking at?
[17:27:43] <Tom_itx> was on ....custom-search
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[17:28:51] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: the wlo-test server has a top-level directory for each branch of the wlo source
[17:29:04] <jepler> .. except not for master, which is
http://www.linuxcnc.org/new/ at the moment
[17:29:07] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc.org/new has the master branch of the wlo source
[17:29:21] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: huh you undid the moving of "current releases" on branch custom-search?
[17:29:35] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah i put it back how it was
[17:29:56] <seb_kuzminsky> and now i (heh) just rebased custom-search onto master, to pick up our recent changes :-)
[17:30:18] <Tom_itx> the 2.7.2 and 2.6.11 could point to the respective release iso page
[17:30:27] <Tom_itx> the current links seem a little redundant
[17:30:38] <jepler> there are probably no isos with those specific releases
[17:30:42] <jepler> we don't build isos for point releases
[17:30:49] <jepler> we want users to get point releases from apt
[17:30:51] <Tom_itx> well to the buildbot page or something
[17:31:09] <seb_kuzminsky> in the future the wlo posts about new releases should be more informative, with changelogs and things, then those links will be more useful
[17:31:25] <Tom_itx> i figured as much..
[17:31:31] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: looks like you should squash out the history of search-results branch too
[17:31:41] <jepler> "put the header back how it was" is a fixup if ever I saw one
[17:31:41] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: yeah for sure
[17:31:44] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[17:32:16] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: since we distribute our software as debs, upgrades are usually automatic, and it doesn't make much sense to link to specific versions of debs
[17:32:30] <seb_kuzminsky> i think what users would want when they want to learn about a release is to see the release announcement
[17:32:41] <seb_kuzminsky> at least i hope so, because that's what they get currently (on purpose)
[17:32:41] <cradek> yes, with a changelog
[17:32:45] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
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[17:33:10] <Tom_itx> yeah that sounds good
[17:33:23] <cradek> if when seeing that, they think it means they should download an ISO and reinstall their OS, we have made a grave mistake
[17:33:56] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: squashed!
[17:34:10] <seb_kuzminsky> oh man, collaborating on the website with git is making me all kinds of giddy!
[17:34:16] <seb_kuzminsky> i have to go drink a coffee!
[17:34:23] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: ooh short and sweet
[17:34:32] <jepler> seems good to me for master branch
[17:34:34] <Tom_itx> is /new/ up to date now?
[17:35:04] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: it's got everything but the search
[17:35:11] <Tom_itx> ok
[17:35:25] <jepler> Tom_itx: /new/ is automatically generated from the master branch shortly after any change. but afaik seb hasn't put the custom-search stuff on master branch yet
[17:35:31] <jepler> he hadn't as of a minute ago anyway
[17:35:44] <seb_kuzminsky> but since jeff just gave a favourable review of the custom-search branch, i just merged it
[17:35:45] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky, cradek: can github tickle kgb when we do commits to wlo?
[17:36:03] <cradek> I don't know
[17:36:09] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i've made github send me an email on every push to wlo
[17:36:23] <seb_kuzminsky> and i asked it to also send to emc-commits@sf.net, but thsoe arent showing up
[17:36:28] <seb_kuzminsky> and i havent debugged it yet
[17:36:37] <Tom_itx> search is there now
[17:36:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i bet noreply@gihub.com isn't allowed to post
[17:36:49] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: :-)
[17:37:10] <cradek> yeah I'm sure you have to be subscribed
[17:37:23] <Tom_itx> i'd still put links to the live/install DVD/USB images in the txt
[17:37:48] <cradek> it's right there when you click Download
[17:37:56] <cradek> with instructions
[17:38:04] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: no, Download takes you to the git docs now
[17:38:12] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe that's what you mean
[17:38:17] <seb_kuzminsky> of course that's what you meant
[17:38:20] <cradek> yes that's what I meant. the link to the iso is there
[17:38:22] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[17:38:29] <Tom_itx> takes you to the Getting LinuxCNC docs page
[17:38:32] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[17:38:51] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[17:53:49] <lair82> Hey guys, I was trying to access the newly updated forum, and I keep getting this,
http://postimg.org/image/ul9hg1xz9/
[17:54:26] <jepler> windows XP?
[17:54:58] <lair82> Yep
[17:55:00] <cradek> is that worse or better than android 2?
[17:55:41] <jepler> forum.linuxcnc.org uses a security certificate and settings which are not compatible with IE and Chrome on Windows XP.
https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/lets-encrypt-certificates-do-not-work-on-xp-in-ie8-or-chrome/2654
[17:56:27] <lair82> Ok, I can't see it on my blackberry either,
[17:56:31] <jepler> however, I wasn't aware that the specific step of posting a message switched you over to https
[17:58:43] <jepler> lair82: use the URL
http://forum.linuxcnc.org/
[17:59:00] <jepler> the link on www.linuxcnc.org specifies https which is good for most current devices but apparently not compatible with some older ones
[17:59:19] <lair82> Ok, that works,
[17:59:22] <lair82> Thanks
[17:59:56] <jepler> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=forum.linuxcnc.org&s=162.243.45.186
[18:00:13] <jepler> ssl results show that IE 6 / XP and Java 6u45 are failing combinations with the security on
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/
[18:00:38] <jepler> Chrome / XP is not a tested combination but from that support thread it sounds like it has the same limitations for some reason (Chrome uses Windows APIs for SSL implementation or something?)
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[18:21:20] <seb_kuzminsky> KGB-wlo: hello
[18:21:20] <KGB-wlo> seb_kuzminsky: My master told me to not respond.
[18:27:30] <KGB-wlo> hello world
[18:27:38] <seb_kuzminsky> snazzy
[18:29:08] <KGB-wlo> hello world
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[18:31:18] <KGB-wlo> push to test-kgb:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/test-kgb
[18:33:08] <KGB-wlo> branch deleted
[18:33:42] <KGB-wlo> push to test-kgb branch:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/test-kgb
[18:33:51] <KGB-wlo> test-kgb branch deleted
[18:33:58] <seb_kuzminsky> boom
[18:35:15] <KGB-wlo> push to master branch:
http://linuxcnc.org/new
[18:35:40] <seb_kuzminsky> there's more info available, i'll dig it out of the json i get from github later
[18:35:56] <seb_kuzminsky> each ref pushed, commit names, author names, etc
[18:37:54] <lair82> I take it, you guys are upgrading the entire website?
[18:38:38] <seb_kuzminsky> lair82: yeah, that's the plan
[18:38:50] <seb_kuzminsky> planning to switch over to the new one tonight
[18:38:56] <seb_kuzminsky> the forum's already been upgraded by jepler
[18:39:04] <lair82> I see, looks pretty nice, nice work guys
[18:39:15] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks! :-)
[18:42:13] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: maybe we can make it work with the existing KGB-linuxcnc after you work the kinks out?
[18:42:31] <jepler> or maybe having more bots is OK, I don't have a strong opinion
[18:44:21] <seb_kuzminsky> currently what comes out of github is a json object dropped into a cgi script via POST, that's the scripts/post-receive.cgi in the wlo repo
[18:44:41] <seb_kuzminsky> i doubt cradek's running his kgb-bot listening on a publicly accessible port
[18:45:01] <seb_kuzminsky> but if i was i could tell my kgb-client to connect to that kgb-bot instead of the one i just installed on my wlo-build machine
[18:45:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont mind running a second kgb
[18:47:49] <cradek> the kgb client sends a password
[18:47:57] <cradek> I'm sure it's terribly secure and hackproof
[18:48:03] <seb_kuzminsky> do you have https?
[18:48:05] <cradek> I could sure make it listen
[18:48:21] <cradek> how is http even involved? (no)
[18:48:28] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont think its worth the security risk
[18:48:37] <seb_kuzminsky> the client sends soap to the bot over http
[18:49:13] <cradek> oh ok
[18:49:15] * cradek shrugs
[18:49:21] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah: meh
[18:49:29] <cradek> whatevs
[18:49:39] <seb_kuzminsky> what*ever*
[18:49:51] <cradek> I'm only sorry you're reinventing wheels
[18:49:56] <cradek> yeah, like I said, whatevs
[18:50:02] <jepler> I don't see how you can send soap that way
[18:50:04] <seb_kuzminsky> apt-get installing wheels
[18:51:13] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl yall
[18:51:51] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: +1 for changing over tonight. any problems that arise we can fix.
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[21:57:55] <tinkerer> hmmm, was the pluto man page kicked? (
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/pluto_servo.9.html)
[21:58:43] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/drivers/pluto-p.html
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[21:59:18] <cradek> although I don't see the manpage in the list, hmm
[22:00:24] <tinkerer> yep
[22:00:32] <tinkerer> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/drivers/pluto-p.html#_hal_functions_pins_and_parameters_2
[22:00:41] <tinkerer> but mentioned
[22:04:39] <KGB-wlo> push to new-screenshot branch:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/new-screenshot
[22:05:31] <cradek> KGB-wlo: where are your pretty colors?
[22:05:31] <KGB-wlo> cradek: My master told me to not respond.
[22:05:57] <seb_kuzminsky> something about that looks strange to me
[22:05:58] <cradek> oh hey, I like that new screenshot
[22:06:03] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe the aspec ratio?
[22:06:10] <seb_kuzminsky> *aspect
[22:06:21] <cradek> well yeah it's very wide
[22:06:34] <cradek> but so is my monitor
[22:06:48] <cradek> actually, by only eyeball, it has about the same aspect ratio as my monitor
[22:06:55] <seb_kuzminsky> it's hard to make out the LinuxCNC gcode
[22:07:20] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, i maintained the aspect ratio of the image you made, just scaled it down to be roughly as tall as the old screenshot image
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[22:10:42] <jepler> ugh what is happening
[22:10:51] <jepler> something has broken the ability to visit the administrator page to administer users
[22:11:22] <jepler> it spins for a long time and then apache2/error.log gets this:
[22:11:22] <jepler> [Tue Nov 10 17:07:11.296792 2015] [:error] [pid 28529] [client 198.183.6.29:50234] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 11552681 bytes) in /var/www/html/libraries/joomla/application/web.php on line 394, referer:
http://forum.linuxcnc.org/administrator/
[22:11:22] <seb_kuzminsky> ruh roh
[22:12:00] <seb_kuzminsky> that's not that many bytes
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[22:12:50] <cradek> yeah, general leakage could get you there pretty fast
[22:13:06] <seb_kuzminsky> therapeutic reboot by cronjob every 5 minutes
[22:13:27] <cradek> I read that as "therapeutic robot"
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[22:14:42] <jepler> I *think* that somehow it was trying to display ALL users
[22:14:59] <jepler> this URL works:
http://forum.linuxcnc.org/administrator/index.php?option=com_users&view=users&limit=10
[22:15:08] <jepler> but visiting the page without &limit= it spins
[22:15:22] <seb_kuzminsky> ugh
[22:15:25] <seb_kuzminsky> no good deed, etc
[22:16:07] <jepler> anyway, goddamn joomla doesn't have a captcha at sign-up time so it's being hammered by spammer signups
[22:16:31] <jepler> there is general support for google recaptcha but it is not an option in the CB new user signup page
[22:16:47] <jepler> there are several dead CB plugins for google recaptcha at signup time
[22:16:50] <cradek> they sure seem to get the account stuff wrong
[22:16:53] <jepler> and there is some bullshit "paid but GPL" one
[22:17:02] <jepler> this is pissing me off
[22:20:20] <jepler> .. mostly because I get an e-mail for each one now
[22:29:06] <jepler> I wonder if the thing I just added to the signup thing is enough to keep spammers away
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[22:53:24] <Tom_itx> on the contributing page
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/code/Contributing-to-LinuxCNC.html Everyday git with 20 commands or so:
https://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/everyday.html should be updated to this link:
https://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/giteveryday.html as the current link says: Please let the owners of the referring site know so that they can update the link you clicked to get here.
[22:58:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 c971404 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/code/Contributing-to-LinuxCNC.txt docs: fix link to the giteveryday(1) manpage * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c971404
[22:58:23] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks Tom_itx
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[23:08:58] <Tom_itx> did you dump the 'about' page?
[23:09:11] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[23:09:18] <Tom_itx> it could go below the developers paragraph on the community page
[23:09:59] <Tom_itx> some like to read about the 'roots' now n then
[23:10:20] <seb_kuzminsky> some of the info i moved to the front page (some items from the list of features), the rest was already in the "about" part of the regular docs (
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/about-linuxcnc.html)
[23:10:41] <seb_kuzminsky> there was a History page which i moved here:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/getting-started/about-linuxcnc.html#_ancient_history_of_the_linuxcnc_project
[23:10:47] <jepler> lastlog -clear
[23:10:48] <jepler> oops
[23:11:04] <seb_kuzminsky> yay, it's not just me that does that!
[23:12:11] <jepler> I suspect a taller, narrower "screenshot" might be preferable
[23:12:49] <Tom_itx> what about a links page for things like MB, cad cam etc?
[23:12:58] <jepler> MB?
[23:13:01] <Tom_itx> motherboards
[23:13:03] <jepler> oh
[23:13:19] <Tom_itx> that gets asked alot
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[23:13:25] <seb_kuzminsky> we have some of those things on the wiki
[23:13:38] <jepler> look at the wiki if you want to find out how well that kind of information will age, too :-/
[23:13:46] <Tom_itx> heh yeah
[23:13:49] <seb_kuzminsky> the wiki is good because apparently the barrier-to-entry for people to edit is lower than our git docs
[23:14:05] <Tom_itx> just gotta know the magic word
[23:15:10] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: one thing that i didn't realize i like about the old screenshot is that it's not a rectangle
[23:15:31] <seb_kuzminsky> the outline is interesting and irregular
[23:16:20] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
[23:16:23] <Tom_itx> are we allowed to post the mascot image as links on other pages?
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