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[00:03:49] <JT-Shop> aye
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[00:18:10] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: do we want another repo for the website on git.l.o? it would be nice if we could all update it easily
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[01:50:02] <seb_kuzminsky> hi cradek
[01:50:16] <seb_kuzminsky> i think we should keep it on github for now
[01:50:33] <seb_kuzminsky> i added jepler, cradek, and andypugh as collaborators, i think that means you can push to it
[01:51:00] <seb_kuzminsky> anyone else who wants push access to the wlo website, send me your github username
[01:51:55] <andypugh> Thnaks.
[01:52:37] <seb_kuzminsky> wlecome
[01:52:39] <andypugh> Did that typo just disqualify me?
[01:52:42] <cradek> sweet
[01:53:15] <cradek> when will you go live?
[01:53:23] <seb_kuzminsky> err, good question
[01:53:58] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe tuesday night? i think i just need an hour or two of uninterrupted focus to switch it over and fix all the things that break
[01:54:07] <cradek> a web site automatically backed by git is so nice
[01:54:09] <seb_kuzminsky> so, hackspace time
[01:54:14] <cradek> cool, enjoy
[01:54:19] <cradek> oh you mean tuesday :-)
[01:54:26] <seb_kuzminsky> i mean, i'll do it tuesday at the hackspace
[01:54:27] <seb_kuzminsky> :-)
[01:54:37] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, having git behind it makes me hate it way less
[01:55:04] <cradek> good god it doesn't hook into twitter does it?
[01:55:13] <seb_kuzminsky> not that i know of
[01:55:47] <seb_kuzminsky> i think jekyll has a special key in the front matter yaml (really!) for linking to your twitter account, but i commented that out
[01:56:10] <cradek> I don't know what those words mean but I'm glad you disabled whatever it is
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[02:03:28] <seb_kuzminsky> is where you go to snapchat your yolo
[02:07:32] <cradek> so my push will magically cause it to regenerate?
[02:07:37] <cradek> omg
[02:07:38] <cradek> it already did
[02:08:36] <cradek> how is that even
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[02:19:02] <dgarr> skunksleep: this may be a tp bug:
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/29894-initialize-circle-problem#64999
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[02:27:52] <jepler> I saw that thread and also failed to reproduce it :-/
[02:30:04] <jepler> oh hey dgarr did reproduce it!
[02:30:54] <jepler> the fit error is small, 0.000028
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[02:33:44] <cradek> radius P+9 but angle P-12
[02:34:15] <cradek> is that something like 2^9 and 2^-12?
[02:35:48] <jepler> yes
[02:36:03] <jepler> printf '%f\n' 0x1.2DB44231ED494P+9,
[02:36:10] <jepler> er without the comma anyway
[02:40:33] <cradek> oh wow, the new forum is live!
[02:40:42] <cradek> sorry I'm only now catching up
[02:40:45] <cradek> you guys are awesome
[02:46:07] <cradek> somehow the old rss url still works and (I guess) gets rewritten? that's amazing.
[02:47:18] <jepler> Failed to initialize Circle9, err codes 0, 0, 0, -1
[02:47:20] <jepler> yay I got it
[02:47:25] <cradek> oh dear, it's an arc generated by g5.1?
[02:47:41] <cradek> yay did you get it in uspace?
[02:47:43] <jepler> yes I did
[02:47:51] <cradek> that's super-duper
[02:49:33] <jepler> running with axis_mm.ini, MDI g20 and then run the gcode from ttt
[02:49:45] <jepler> then it happens in uspace on my x86_64 system
[02:49:56] <jepler> radius = 13332.385088172452, angle = 0.000307408594
[02:49:56] <jepler> spiral_coef = 0.000000005917
[02:49:56] <jepler> Spiral fit: b0 = 0.000000002959, b1 = 13332.385088172452, length = 4.098489754213, spiral_in = 0
[02:49:59] <jepler> Spiral fit check: fit_err = 3.074086e-04
[02:50:02] <jepler> Failed to initialize Circle9, err codes 0, 0, 0, -1
[02:50:11] <jepler> those are not particularly the same numbers as in dgarr's repro
[02:53:01] <cradek> radius 13332 angle .0003 can't be a very reasonable circle can it?
[02:53:29] <cradek> wonder if g5.1 can sneak in arcs that are otherwise rejected
[02:53:36] <jepler> I wouldn't be surprised
[02:54:00] <jepler> (gdb) p *circle
[02:54:00] <jepler> $2 = {center = {x = 168.06923855283358, y = 223.58345279681936, z = -0.254},
[02:54:03] <jepler> normal = {x = -0, y = -0, z = -1}, rTan = {x = -15.161238552833566,
[02:54:06] <jepler> y = 4.7203180628230257e-05, z = 0}, rPerp = {x = 4.7203180628230257e-05,
[02:54:09] <jepler> y = 15.161238552833566, z = -0}, rHelix = {x = 0, y = 0, z = 0},
[02:54:11] <jepler> radius = 15.161238552907049, angle = 0.025950024804894892,
[02:54:14] <jepler> spiral = 3.5527136788005009e-15}
[02:54:27] <cradek> http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/379/
[02:54:34] <jepler> do we intentionally make arcs with spiral-ality?
[02:54:58] <jepler> afk
[02:55:01] <cradek> surely not
[02:55:04] <cradek> I didn't, anyway
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[03:08:55] <jepler> the biarc algorithm isn't intended to give spirals either
[03:09:24] <seb_kuzminsky> rob's new TP handles a lot of spirality
[03:10:15] <seb_kuzminsky> interp allows up to 0.00282 inch of difference between r1 and r2 in g21, and up to 0.0282 mm in g20 iirc
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[03:20:21] <jepler> Spiral fit check: fit_err = 3.074086e-04 [6.148172e-04-3.074086e-04]
[03:20:37] <jepler> it's actually a worse relative error than absolute!
[03:26:52] <jepler> it's an awfully close to linear NURB
[03:28:09] <jepler> reduced test case:
http://paste.debian.net/329295/
[03:30:23] <jepler> infuriatingly, it runs on sim/axis, not on sim/axis_mm
[03:30:37] <cradek> surely that's a clue
[03:32:44] <jepler> or it just means that some errors are big enough in mm and not big enough in inch
[03:34:38] <jepler> I think these are the corresponding blocks for in and mm configs respectively:
http://paste.debian.net/329306/
[03:35:48] <jepler> Spiral fit check: fit_err = 3.074086e-04 [abs(6.148172e-04-3.074086e-04)]
[03:36:05] <jepler> surely it's this factor-of-two between the fit_err items that is important
[03:40:03] <jepler> 'night
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[12:34:30] <skunkworks> zlog
[12:34:30] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-11-09.html
[12:52:24] <skunkworks> Could someone take a stab that this? Rob noticed an issue last night while looking at the arc issue. If you run this program
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/tap-discrimant-error-orig.ngc with sim axis. Then Load any other program and the x axis motions are scaled down by .5.
[12:52:30] <skunkworks> rob said.
[12:52:35] <skunkworks> That said, I did encounter a strange bug that seems to exist in 2.7 already. I ran the attached file on my sim config (with a sim spindle), then loaded an ran another file (can be anything). After the tap file runs, motions are scaled down by 1/2 in the X axis, but not in other axes. I don't think the issue is in the TP or canon, either. With debug mode on, the canon commands leave with the correct X axis command, and ente
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[12:54:51] <skunkworks_> http://imgur.com/OMRj7Jj
[12:56:14] <skunkworks> This is what rob said about the issue last night.
[12:56:16] <skunkworks> So it turns out I fixed that issue a while ago, but that branch never got merged into 2.7 (I'm not sure why). I rebased onto 2.7 (latest) and propagated the fix to another quadratic function solver for good measure. The change should be invisible otherwise, and I didn't see any violations / tolerance errors in the batch tests I ran
[12:56:38] <skunkworks> (I don't know where that branch is yet)
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[13:01:18] <skunkworks> ah - here it is
[13:01:19] <skunkworks> https://github.com/robEllenberg/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/hotfix/helical-arc-arc-2.7-rebase
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[13:40:02] <jepler> running with branch rob/hotfix/helical-arc-arc-2.7-rebase my reduced gcode works
[13:40:18] <jepler> the one from the forum yesterday
[13:40:28] <skunkworks> Push it! ;)
[13:43:44] <jepler> unfortunately his top commit in that branch is not signed-off-by
[13:44:29] <skunkworks> oops
[13:45:34] <skunkworks> sent him an email
[13:46:07] <jepler> it looks like the last commit is not necessary to fix this particular bug, so I may push all but one commit anyway. investigating further...
[13:47:13] <jepler> 5ae3ca0 tp: overhaul spiral fit computation to use more numerically stable quadratic formula
[13:47:29] <jepler> this is the only commit necessary to fix the bug I'm hitting in my reduced test case
[13:49:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 bba8d25 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/tp.c tp: fix for arc-arc coplanar check * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=bba8d25
[13:49:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 5ae3ca0 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.c 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.h 10src/emc/tp/tc.c tp: overhaul spiral fit computation to use more numerically stable quadratic formula * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ae3ca0
[13:49:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 08201a7 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.c 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.h tp: purge old circle length function * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=08201a7
[13:52:16] <jepler> skunkworks: so I pushed all but the last commit from that branch, the only reason I didn't take the last one was lack of SOB
[13:52:27] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master ec19e1e 06linuxcnc 10debian/changelog 10scripts/linuxcnc.in Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec19e1e
[13:52:27] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 85e8bc3 06linuxcnc 10scripts/linuxcnc.in 10src/Makefile Merge branch 'jepler/for-master/drop-lucid' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=85e8bc3
[14:10:52] <skunkworks> Thanks jepler
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[14:14:04] <cradek> 5ae3ca0 makes me swoon
[14:17:19] <skunkworks> heh
[14:17:29] <skunkworks> He is still my man crush..
[14:17:49] <cradek> yeah fortunately I've got room for more than one of those
[14:18:18] <skunkworks> well - I could say you are number 2.. But that just sounds bad..
[14:18:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i thought we merged the helical-arc branch
[14:19:37] <seb_kuzminsky> of course git can't tell us :-(
[14:20:16] <seb_kuzminsky> http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/04/git-koans/#only-the-gods
[14:24:42] <skunkworks_> Did you guys see the problem above with odd scaling?
[14:25:00] <cradek> yes, it's horrifying
[14:25:44] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i pushed a commit or two to your drop-lucid branch, but it doesnt look like it made it into your merge
[14:29:03] <skunkworks> cradek: if it is any consolation - progams with arcs don't run. :)
[14:30:18] <cradek> I don't even see [TRAJ]CYCLE_TIME being read anywhere
[14:30:50] <cradek> [DISPLAY]CYCLE_TIME, [TASK]CYCLE_TIME, [EMCIO]CYCLE_TIME are all read
[14:39:25] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: argh and oops
[14:40:36] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 447847f 06linuxcnc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/jepler/for-master/drop-lucid' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=447847f
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[15:19:22] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks
[15:22:00] <cradek> yay the forum
[15:22:04] <cradek> thanks so much, jepler
[15:22:47] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: on my vintage phone, there is no navbar on linuxcnc.org/new which makes the site pretty useless
[15:22:59] <cradek> of course I have no idea why or what to suggest
[15:22:59] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm
[15:23:14] <seb_kuzminsky> on my phone there's a manu icon in the top right, which opens up into the navbar items
[15:23:47] <seb_kuzminsky> what browser is on your phone?
[15:23:54] <cradek> hmm
[15:24:08] <cradek> I see a thing there (a faint grey line) but it doesn't seem to do anything
[15:24:28] <seb_kuzminsky> the faint gray line just under the Current Releases?
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[15:24:55] <cradek> no, it's above the logo at the very top, 1cm wide at the top right
[15:25:30] <cradek> I don't know how to find out what browser this is
[15:25:50] <archivist> does it have a hamburger character
http://deep.design/the-hamburger-menu/
[15:26:27] <cradek> it might be the top third of a hamburger
[15:27:02] <archivist> only recently I found out what that meant!
[15:27:40] <cradek> GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 210 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.3.3; en-us; DROID2 Build/4.5.1_57_DR2-31) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1
[15:27:50] <cradek> this is what it sends
[15:29:53] <seb_kuzminsky> here's what mine looks like:
http://i.imgur.com/xTpiguY.png
[15:30:15] <seb_kuzminsky> if i tap on the tasty hamburger it opens the navbar as a menu
[15:30:44] <cradek> yeah mine looks almost identical but the hamburger is incomplete and nonfunctional
[15:30:52] <seb_kuzminsky> lame
[15:31:14] <cradek> I have no idea how much it matters
[15:31:48] <cradek> although I use this phone every day (for a few other web sites, even) I doubt a lot of people try to use one this old for the web
[15:32:45] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om3Q2_fI_a8
[15:32:50] <skunkworks> that is neat
[15:33:45] <cradek> wow your phone has so much mystery meat. the apparent navigation options are: triangle, circle, square, hamburger, other hamburger, three dots
[15:34:02] <seb_kuzminsky> in css/main.css i see ther are a bunch of different handlings for the navbar depending on screen size
[15:34:58] <seb_kuzminsky> the three dots and the two hamburgers all mean the same thing, in different contexts
[15:35:09] <cradek> I think my screen is 480x854
[15:35:11] <cradek> fwiw
[15:35:24] <cradek> maybe there's a broken one in the css and I'm tickling it?
[15:36:15] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe
[15:36:45] <cradek> skunkworks: wow, that gcode
[15:36:59] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if you take out the last two sections of the css ("media screen and (max-width: number)"), and "jekyll serve", and look at it with your phone, what do you see?
[15:37:36] <cradek> I didn't find a suitable jekyll version in backports :-/
[15:37:40] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm too preoccupied with phones and hamburgers to look at atual crash-worthy bugs in linuxcnc :-/
[15:37:45] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: are you on wheezy?
[15:37:47] <cradek> yeah
[15:37:51] <seb_kuzminsky> ah
[15:38:03] <seb_kuzminsky> what happens when you try to build with wheezy's jekyll?
[15:38:22] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess it's not really a good test
[15:38:30] <cradek> "jekyll serve" creates a directory called serve with stuff in it
[15:38:35] <seb_kuzminsky> haha
[15:38:46] <seb_kuzminsky> try jekyll build, then serve _site/ with some other browser
[15:38:53] <seb_kuzminsky> err, webserver
[15:39:00] <cradek> I should try building the jekyll you use
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[15:39:41] <seb_kuzminsky> its made of something called "ruby gems"
[15:39:51] <cradek> oh good grief
[15:39:52] <seb_kuzminsky> i suggest making a jessie vm instead
[15:40:30] <seb_kuzminsky> it would sure be convenient if you could push different branches to the wlo.git, and have them be served up someplace accessible
[15:40:47] <cradek> yeah, that would be sweet
[15:41:20] <skunkworks_> I wonder how he is generating the gcode - he seems to have kins working - from this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WyqzdDPHYA
[15:42:14] <cradek> kins for that machine is super easy
[15:42:38] <cradek> I think we even have a sim machine like that
[15:43:52] <cradek> it looks like the tool vector goes through both centers of rotation
[15:44:07] <cradek> I like it when people build the hardware that makes the math simple
[15:44:35] <skunkworks_> heh
[15:46:09] <skunkworks_> How would an axis get scaled.. that seems odd.
[15:46:19] <skunkworks_> obviously.. ;)
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[15:49:14] <jepler> that imgur from seb_kuzminsky made me think the new site was live, since it said "linuxcnc.org" at the top.
[15:49:17] <jepler> soon right?
[15:49:23] <cradek> jepler: a minor nit about the forum: to me the login prompt looks like a mistake (css error?). I think I expect it to be to the right or left of the logo, or both the logo and login should be in a separate column, so the index/recent/search tabs are nearer the top
[15:49:48] <jepler> cradek: not to mention how there are two of it
[15:49:57] <cradek> I think it's the big empty white space to the right that makes it look like a mistake
[15:50:07] <cradek> oh heh, I didn't even notice that
[15:50:27] <jepler> the one that looks out of place is designed to go on a sidebar, but we took away the sidebar
[15:50:53] <jepler> the one that looks like it belongs doesn't tell you "wrong password dummy" when you fail to log in, it just takes you back to the same page not-logged-in
[15:51:04] <jepler> so I put back the out of place one and have failed so far to find out how to take away the other one
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[15:54:29] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: building the jessie version looks really hopeless
[15:55:14] <jepler> you can just edit .md files on github and use its preview function
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[15:55:22] <jepler> if your purpose is to make textual changes it'll be perfectly adequate
[15:56:08] <cradek> interesting
[15:56:30] <cradek> bet that's not enough for figuring this css? thing out though
[15:56:56] <cradek> but it's sure not an emergency, maybe I'll work on it some day
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[16:00:17] <jepler> cradek: yes it's useless for that
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[16:21:30] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek:
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/
[16:23:45] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: that gives a full expanded navbar in 3 rows, and it works, no hamburger
[16:24:59] <cradek> perfectly usable
[16:25:04] <cradek> thanks!
[16:28:00] <Roguish> good morning gentlemen. a small comment on the new forums. I don't seem to find a link back to the main linuxcnc web site. even the underlying link on the penquin leads back to the forum.
[16:28:31] <mozmck> no escape...
[16:28:45] <Roguish> otherwise, it all looks VERY GOOD.
[16:30:08] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: why does the source link point to jepler's mirror on github?
[16:44:59] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: because jepler added it to point there in 619ed8f4e2
[16:45:20] <seb_kuzminsky> not sure why he picked the github over glo
[16:45:21] <mozmck> oh, ok - just curious.
[16:57:20] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i'm bummed the hamburger doesnt work on your phone, because with the full navbar the website looks kind of cluttered on my phone
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[17:04:16] <cradek> yeah
[17:04:25] <cradek> it looks stupid but it's usable
[17:04:51] <cradek> and it would suck to go down the rabbit hole of trying to guess which to serve
[17:05:12] <cradek> fwiw, hamburgers on other sites work
[17:05:43] <archivist> hamburger seems old school and deprecated according to that site I linked
[17:06:21] <cradek> well I suspect it's terrible design, but it's still utterly common
[17:06:48] <cradek> if only we could individually declare any terrible design deprecated
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[17:07:55] <archivist> the crowd these days seem to regard "responsive" as the way to go
[17:07:59] <jepler> I don't know if having our website look right on android 2.x is important
[17:08:32] <archivist> run some stats
[17:08:55] <cradek> jepler: how about being at all usable? I agree with you that it might not be important, but I want to be clear it's usability, not simply appearance
[17:09:06] <jepler> 10 of 110021 entries in access.log.0 match "Android 2."
[17:09:39] <cradek> also, we don't know what versions the problem affects
[17:10:19] <cradek> would be nice to test other integers between 2 and whatever is modern
[17:10:55] <jepler> 6.
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[17:11:21] <skunkworks_> my phone seems to work ok.
[17:11:34] <skunkworks_> lollipop
[17:11:39] <jepler> cradek: you don't use any sort of ad blocking technology on that phone, right?
[17:11:46] <cradek> nope
[17:11:52] <cradek> it's as it came
[17:12:11] <cradek> what integer is lollipop?
[17:12:21] <jepler> 5.1.
[17:12:23] <jepler> 5.0 ?
[17:12:54] <skunkworks_> 5.0 herwe
[17:12:56] <skunkworks_> here
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[17:13:07] <cradek> ok, would be nice to test 3,4 too then
[17:13:16] <jepler> 3 essentially doesn't exist
[17:13:54] <jepler> 2.x: 10 hits. 3.x: 0 hits 4.x: 1693 hits 5.x: 1103 hits 6.x: 228 hits
[17:14:10] <jepler> 2.x: 4 unique hosts. 4.x: 154 unique hosts. 5.x: 108 unique hosts. 6.x: 17 unique hosts
[17:14:26] <cradek> cool, so 4 is an important one to try
[17:15:06] <cradek> thanks for sciencing it
[17:16:42] <jepler> trying to test via android simulator
[17:16:58] <jepler> JT-Shop: did you see Roguish remarks about no link to the main website? perhaps you can figure out how to add one for me?
[17:17:50] <jepler> hm except clicking doesn't seem to work. grumble.
[17:21:06] <jepler> hamburger works on android 4.1 via emulator
[17:21:17] <jepler> emulated screen size is 480x800
[17:21:22] <cradek> good
[17:21:29] <cradek> maybe don't worry about it then
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[17:35:59] <seb_kuzminsky> w3.org recommends using "feature detection" to see what to send to clients:
https://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Optimizing_content_for_different_browsers:_the_RIGHT_way
[17:37:09] <ssi> responsive design is very hard btw :)
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[18:15:31] <skunkworks_> cradek: Uh - could it be G7,8? :)
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[18:31:13] <skunkworks_> scaled by half should have been a lightbulb moment
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[19:03:48] <cradek> oh jeez, yeah probably so
[19:03:55] <cradek> that's pretty silly
[19:04:12] <cradek> we should probably have different "personalities" but we don't
[19:07:41] <cradek> why would you bother fixing slic3r's gcode output with regular expressions, when you could fix slic3r instead? it's on github.
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[19:13:53] * JT-Shop reads back
[19:23:47] <cradek> ... on the other hand, if we had personalities, it seems like we could have one to accept whatever slic3r spits out
[19:23:53] <cradek> maybe you could even do it with remap
[19:24:04] * cradek waves his arms
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[19:29:54] <jepler> I never realized how active the forum was before I added it to my RSS feeds this weekend
[19:38:58] <mozmck> More active than the mailing list any more.
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[20:05:40] <c_morley> jepler: resetting password doesn't work for me on forum
[20:07:20] <jepler> c_morley: you mean the 'lost password' process?
[20:07:37] <c_morley> yes
[20:08:03] <jepler> did you get as far as "New User Password created and sent to your email address" ?
[20:08:07] <c_morley> I never get an email
[20:08:18] <c_morley> yes just no email
[20:08:37] <c_morley> it does in fact change the password though..
[20:08:55] <cradek> NOTE: This email was automatically generated from LinuxCNC Forum
[20:08:58] <cradek> (
http://forum.linuxcnc.org).
[20:09:01] <cradek> wfm
[20:09:26] <jepler> c_morley: I will look in the outgoing e-mail logs. tell me what e-mail address it is sending to, in private if you prefer
[20:09:53] <jepler> Nov 9 15:05:56 forum postfix/smtp[32587]: 0740942846: to=<rng3@verizon.net>, relay=relay.verizon.net[206.46.232.11]:25, delay=2175, delays=2175/0.02/0.14/0, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host relay.verizon.net[206.46.232.11] refused to talk to me: 571 Email from 162.243.45.186 is currently blocked by Verizon Online's anti-spam system. The email sender or Email Service Provider may visit
http://www.ve
[20:09:59] <jepler> rizon.net/whitelist and request removal of the block. 151109)
[20:10:20] <c_morley> chrisinnanaimo
[20:10:38] <jepler> Nov 9 15:03:03 forum postfix/smtp[32474]: 27EAB4284A: to=<chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, relay=mx4.hotmail.com[65.55.92.184]:25, delay=0.36, delays=0.03/0/0.28/0.05, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mx4.hotmail.com[65.55.92.184] said: 550 SC-001 (SNT004-MC4F11) Unfortunately, messages from 162.243.45.186 weren't sent. Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our
[20:10:44] <jepler> block list. You can also refer your provider to
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
[20:11:02] <jepler> the blocking is happening at your end.
[20:11:31] <c_morley> hmm ok thanks...not sure why or what I can do
[20:11:52] <cradek> dnsbl.info shows all green for 162.243.45.186
[20:12:23] <cradek> complain to your email host, I guess?
[20:12:50] <jepler> well it's not likely to do much good to complain to verizon or microsoft about how they deem it appropriate to configure their services
[20:12:52] <c_morley> strange it conicides with forum update
[20:13:10] <jepler> not really, the forum is now on a different host
[20:13:17] <cradek> SC-001 says "Mail rejected by Outlook.com for policy reasons"
[20:14:42] <c_morley> hmm well that is inconvenient :)
[20:14:55] <jepler> c_morley: I would be happy to reset your password to a known value
[20:15:08] <c_morley> perfect!
[20:16:45] <cradek> sender-id=pass spf=none
[20:16:50] <cradek> I see nothing suspicious about this email
[20:17:14] <cradek> X-Mailer: PHPMailer 5.2.9 (
https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer/)
[20:17:18] <cradek> X-PHP-Originating-Script: 33:CBPHPMailer.php
[20:17:27] <cradek> it might not hurt to get rid of these :-/
[20:18:02] <c_morley> I have access thank you
[20:18:02] <cradek> it's hard to guess why hotmail/live.com/outlook (are these all the same now??) are refusing it
[20:19:44] <jepler> cradek: yes they are the same now
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[20:23:29] <cradek> jepler: an spf record might not hurt
[20:23:39] <cradek> > IPs not previously used to send email typically don't have any reputation built up in our systems. As a result, emails from new IPs are more likely to experience deliverability issues.
[20:23:57] <cradek> this is stupid but might mean it might get better
[20:24:22] <cradek> although if they block mail from new IPs by default, I don't see how their "reputation" can ever improve
[20:25:16] <cradek> Note: don't forget to update your Junk Email Reporting Program (JMRP) account with the new IPs. To update or set up a JMRP account, click here. [points to a msn.com address with busted https]
[20:26:08] <jepler> cradek: are you familiar enough with SPF to figure out what the SPF record should say? If so, drop a note to SWP asking him to update the dns again
[20:26:30] <cradek> wow, nice PTR record
[20:27:21] <cradek> header.from=jepler+linuxcncforum@unpythonic.net; smtp.mfrom=www-data@forum.linuxcnc.org
[20:27:42] <cradek> this might not be the best From:
[20:27:42] <jepler> do you think I should make those match?
[20:27:51] <cradek> I don't know
[20:27:59] <jepler> .. which PTR record?
[20:28:06] <cradek> 186.45.243.162.in-addr.arpaname = forum.linuxcnc.org.
[20:28:21] <cradek> it's really nice that you can set that
[20:28:23] <jepler> yes
[20:28:23] <jepler> 1.0.0.b.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.8.8.a.4.0.6.2.ip6.arpa. 1800 IN PTR forum.linuxcnc.org.
[20:28:26] <jepler> and this one
[20:28:35] <cradek> sweet
[20:29:19] <cradek> seems like it couldn't hurt to change From: to ...@flo
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[20:30:49] <cradek> > We've partnered with the leading email service providers, marketing clouds, and digital agencies to help their clients exceed email program goals, achieve unparalleled deliverability, protect their brand
[20:31:05] <cradek> looks like you can just pay them to let your emails through
[20:31:32] <jepler> like that'll happen
[20:32:31] <jepler> OK, now using <noreply@forum.linuxcnc.org>
[20:32:39] <jepler> X-Mailer: PHPMailer 5.2.9
[20:32:44] <jepler> you know, I bet this is a big fat spam indicator
[20:33:03] <cradek> oh totally. also you could nuke X-PHP-Originating-Script:
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[20:33:33] <cradek> otherwise it looks nice
[20:34:30] <jepler> I wonder how to do that
[20:39:04] <jepler> well I had to hand-edit a php file so we may lose it in an update
[20:42:53] <cradek> weird, now I get sender-id=none
[20:42:58] <cradek> but it looks clean
[20:43:00] <cradek> might help, who knows
[20:43:14] <cradek> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5
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[22:20:00] <jepler> JT-Shop: are you making changes to the forum's "style"? Seems like the poster information moved from the left of the post to below it
[22:20:16] <jepler> I am not sure it's an improvement, as I was having trouble telling whether the information applied to the post above or below it
[22:21:01] <cradek> hm yeah, there's at least some whitespace needed
[22:28:13] <jepler> if this is about maximizing the amount of text that goes on a line (Todd's preference), I think that's not an important goal either
[22:28:39] <jepler> many years ago I did think "as wide as possible" was a good goal but nowadays I think otherwise
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[22:48:03] <seb_kuzminsky> an update on wlo: there's now
http://wlo-test.highlab.com/, which has local deployments of all non-master branches pushed to github
[22:48:16] <seb_kuzminsky> the master branch gets deployed to
http://linuxcnc.org/new/ like before
[22:48:46] <seb_kuzminsky> this uses the github webhook system, which is better than the lame once-per-minute polling i was doing before
[22:49:08] <seb_kuzminsky> so now we can test things without deploying them to wlo (like cradek's hamburger problem)
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[22:50:52] <cradek> wow
[23:02:39] <JT-Shop> jepler, I was trying to move something else but got distracted for a bit before I changed it back
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[23:16:20] <jepler> JT-Shop: ok thanks!
[23:16:37] <jepler> ... cradek's hamburger problem ...
[23:18:51] <jepler> can someone who uses gmail and has a forum account try the "forgot your username" feature and see if you get the message in your inbox? (don't use "lost password" because it resets your password immediately; if that message goes missing you won't be able to sign in to the forum until an admin intervenes)
[23:19:27] <cradek> (jeez that's stupid)
[23:20:05] <jepler> (not arguing the point)
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[23:21:52] <jepler> (.. I have a gmail account but I don't trust my own testing because I clicked "not spam" a few times for "lost username" e-mails when I was testing the new forum at its temporary address, so maybe google learned something *about me* that it wouldn't apply to generic users on the internet)
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[23:22:42] <jepler> uh oh "An abrupt End to Debian Live"
https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg00024.html
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[23:24:19] <jepler> the last couple of years I really feel like free software is eating itself
[23:24:41] * JT-Shop waits for an email
[23:25:31] <jepler> Nov 9 18:24:25 forum postfix/smtp[3734]: 89A5542879: to=<linuxcnc.forum@gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.20.26]:25, delay=31, delays=0.02/0.01/30/0.59, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1447111465 x8si539482pbt.238 - gsmtp)
[23:25:37] <jepler> the message was accepted by google
[23:26:27] <JT-Shop> yep got the email
[23:27:30] <jepler> OK
[23:27:31] <JT-Shop> logged in with new passwork but don't see a way to reset it to something I might remember
[23:27:52] <JT-Shop> nm
[23:28:31] <jepler> profile > edit profile > contact info
[23:28:49] <JT-Shop> yea, too many things going on my desk lol
[23:29:00] <JT-Shop> too many monitors to look at too
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[23:43:41] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: that debian live email makes me sad for Daniel
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[23:50:15] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yeah
[23:52:18] <jepler> OK, I made some visual changes to flo
[23:52:31] <jepler> now there's a link to wlo near the top ("home")
[23:52:42] <jepler> just one login, and at least it has a horizontal layout even if it doesn't quite blend in
[23:53:18] <jepler> afk
