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[00:59:50] <skunkworks> I think m98/99 are pretty popular. I know i used the when I used to run a laser years ago
[01:00:01] <skunkworks> on a fanuc control
[01:01:37] <jepler> hm, I wonder what I'm doing wrong. driving a servo motor connected to 4i30, the motor only goes one way
[01:02:03] <jepler> I verified that the pwm_value_reg looks plausible, it gets the sign bit set when negative
[01:02:08] <jepler> sets cmd -20
[01:02:08] <jepler> halcmd: pwm_value_reg -> 83330000
[01:02:11] <jepler> halcmd: sets cmd 20
[01:02:11] <jepler> halcmd: pwm_value_reg -> 03330000
[01:02:59] <jepler> output-type is 1
[01:07:52] <jepler> gpio 009 "direction" seems to change appropriately
[01:08:08] <jepler> it's running open-loop so it's not PID or something
[01:08:24] <jepler> er 7i30 of course
[01:08:46] <andypugh> I was looking at the 4i30 and wondering what you were doing with LinuxCNC and PC104
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[01:10:03] <andypugh> jepler: It isn’t a field-coil motor?
[01:11:39] <jepler> it's a pittman servo, same one that I had on the zenbot last time it ran (with a 7i30) years ago
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[01:12:47] <andypugh> Is 7i30 an up/down pwm device?
[01:12:53] <jepler> no, pwm & direction
[01:13:42] <jepler> (7i30man page 4)
[01:14:51] <jepler> the old hal files I have never set output-type away from the default, which is documented to be type 1
[01:15:15] <jepler> it *could* be some ARM-specific bug
[01:15:33] <jepler> .. but I used odroid u3 + 7i90-spi + 7i30 last year at txrx labs
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[01:25:31] <jepler> or it could be a cabling problem, though I measure a sensible (<5ohm) winding resistance, and about the same resistance from each winding to ground when the amplifier is unpowered. (it had occurred to me that "one end of widing shorted to ground" could get me unidirectional motion)
[01:26:59] <andypugh> windings to gnd sounds wrong, actually
[01:27:44] <jepler> it's not a low resistance, 15kohm
[01:29:29] <jepler> second motor on second pwmgen has the same behavior
[01:30:45] <andypugh> I assume that a multimeter shows that the output isn’t changing polarity?
[01:31:14] <jepler> should it be OK to meter voltage while it's running?
[01:31:29] <jepler> do I want to meter voltage across the windings?
[01:31:50] <andypugh> I don’t see why not, multimeters are very high impdeance
[01:33:20] <jepler> it meters +1.9v for pwmgen.01.value .1 and -.1, 0v for value 0
[01:34:11] <andypugh> -0.1V ?
[01:34:38] <jepler> pwmgen.01.value .1 -> voltage across windings = +1.9v
[01:34:40] <andypugh> And what for pwmgen.01.value -1 ?
[01:34:40] <jepler> pwmgen.01.value -.1 -> voltage across windings = +1.9v
[01:34:47] <jepler> pwmgen.01.value 0 -> voltage across windings = 0v
[01:35:53] <andypugh> And you say that you can see the DIR pin value change?
[01:36:10] <jepler> according to halcmd looking at that GPIO as an input
[01:36:52] <andypugh> Might be worth checking with the multimeter at the 7i30 end of the cable
[01:38:29] <PCW> cable 5V OK at 7I30?
[01:38:56] <jepler> I'll check
[01:39:31] <jepler> ugh no, about 4.3v
[01:39:34] <andypugh> How has Gene found it possible to make the G-code for a comb-joint expand to use all his memory?
[01:39:58] <jepler> ok, I'll fix my 5v supply and try again
[01:43:13] <PCW> Gene finds lots of bugs
[01:44:21] <PCW> I was surprised by the pncconf localization bug in the forum (pncconf doesnt work in italian)
[01:45:08] <andypugh> Hmm, I may not have needed the 7i73, the 7i84 MPG inputs might have been enough. Though perhaps they will be handy for spindle/feed oveeride
[01:45:36] <andypugh> Yes, that was a fun one. I wonder if it was a string comparision somewhere?
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[01:46:26] <andypugh> cradek: seb_kuzminsky: Do any of the tests run in a different locale?
[01:46:38] <cradek> doubt it
[01:47:03] <andypugh> A proper pedant would do that
[01:47:37] <cradek> especially one that uses , for decimal point
[01:47:53] <PCW> another formum post point to a possible hostmot2 driver bug
[01:48:25] <andypugh> The British Standard for technical drawings says to use a comma. And Autodesk Inventor is happy with that format in sketches
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[01:52:48] <jepler> good 5v at the 7i30 now, no change in behavior
[01:54:07] <PCW> I don't think Ive see a 7I30 bridge chip fail that way (only drives one way regardless of direction)
[01:55:10] <jepler> let alone two at once
[01:55:13] <PCW> Maybe check the direction signal voltage at the 7I30
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[01:58:12] <jepler> any good spots to probe it? pull cable and probe at end of cable?
[01:58:40] <PCW> Strangely enough Eastman Kodak has been buying a trickle of 7I30s from us for almost 10 years
[01:59:16] <PCW> back of card on 50 pin connector probably
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[02:00:41] <PCW> count odd pins from 1 (DIR0 is 19)
[02:01:03] <jepler> on 7i90, W6 is up and W1 is up
[02:01:38] <jepler> looks sensible
[02:01:41] <PCW> That sounds right
[02:01:43] <PCW> bbl SO paging _loudly_
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[02:11:33] <mozmck> nameless hal signals would be nice
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[02:20:13] <jepler> mozmck: seems like I had prepared a patch for that sometime in the past
[02:21:04] <mozmck> I remember smelling a whiff of something like that a while back.
[02:21:57] <jepler> I can't find it right away
[02:22:38] <mozmck> it's obviously not critical, but it might help de-clutter the HAL namespace
[02:23:33] <mozmck> I would presume something like that could be done by internally assigning a unique name at runtime?
[02:23:51] <jepler> yeah
[02:23:59] <jepler> it would not prevent the thing from showing up in 'halcmd show sig' either
[02:24:22] <jepler> linuxcnc-devel-2014-08-17.log:10:55 < KGB-linuxcnc> Jeff Epler jepler/anonymous-net 51476c5 linuxcnc src/hal/utils/halcmd.c src/hal/utils/halcmd_commands.c src/hal/utils/halcmd_commands.h src/hal/utils/halcmd_completion.c halcmd: allow net command to create anonymous nets *
http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=51476c5
[02:24:37] <jepler> looks like the branch is still out there on glo
[02:24:57] <mozmck> ooh, I'll take a look - or put it on my list to do. thanks!
[02:25:31] <jepler> I think the 7i90 may be damaged
[02:26:50] <jepler> with linuxcnc stopped, most pins measure +5v by multimeter, but pin 19 measures 2.5v, vcc/2
[02:27:19] <jepler> pins 21 and 23 measure 0v, then back to 5v
[02:27:53] <jepler> ... this *is* the card that was connected to the 7i30 we blew up in texas
[02:28:03] <jepler> at the time we didn't think it was damaged by the event but maybe it was
[02:29:28] <mozmck> 2.5v sounds bad, I presume it doesn't toggle when you change dir?
[02:38:31] <jepler> time to call it a night
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[11:39:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05bringin_features 730d1f0 06linuxcnc 10(279 files in 23 dirs) bringin_features: import to share/features * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=730d1f0
[11:39:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05bringin_features 967acc2 06linuxcnc 10(36 files in 3 dirs) bringin_features: relocate sim demo files * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=967acc2
[11:39:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05bringin_features 64da59e 06linuxcnc 10lib/python/gladevcp/hal_python.xml 10lib/python/gladevcp/hal_pythonplugin.py bringin_features: fernV edits * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=64da59e
[11:39:27] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05bringin_features d0e67e3 06linuxcnc 03lib/python/gladevcp/features.py 04share/features/features.py bringin_features: relocate features.py * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0e67e3
[11:39:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05bringin_features 457f422 06linuxcnc 10(7 files in 4 dirs) bringin_features: adapt to LinuxCNC git tree * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=457f422
[11:39:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05bringin_features c800ffb 06linuxcnc 10(31 files in 6 dirs) bringin_features: place demo configs in tree * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c800ffb
[11:39:40] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05bringin_features ee87e72 06linuxcnc 10debian/linuxcnc.files.in 10src/Makefile bringin_features: support deb package * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee87e72
[11:39:43] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05bringin_features 20ba56d 06linuxcnc 10(13 files in 7 dirs) bringin_features: new README, minor updates * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=20ba56d
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[11:42:39] <dgarr> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/bringin_features.txt
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[12:38:39] <jepler> dgarr: will look at that branch in the next few days, please ping if you don't hear from me
[12:39:23] <jepler> so I moved from 7i90 connector P1 to P2 and now the motors turn both ways. I think the drivers on connector P1 were damaged last year at TXRX labs when we blew the 7i30
[12:39:28] <jepler> .. yay ?
[12:39:40] <jepler> afk to work
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[13:58:40] <cradek> yay?
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[14:48:26] <cradek> ooh I love how you edit things and the preview updates
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[14:52:24] <cradek> I'm getting a few "image file not found" errors, like: Image file not found : /home/cradek/emc/share/features/graphics/images/square.png
[14:56:25] <cradek> this looks like a huge step, thanks dgarr
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[15:12:05] <skunkworks> That is neat!
[15:14:36] <skunkworks> taper hole is pretty cool :)
[15:21:30] <mozmck> good article on mailing lists vs forums:
http://www.freelock.com/blog/john-locke/2010-03/mailing-list-or-forum-theory
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[15:38:21] <JT-Shop> one thing for sure everyone has an opinion on that subject lol
[15:44:47] <cradek> > Harder to find answers, archives are generally organized by date not topic
[15:44:58] <cradek> this is sure true (although I have terrible luck with forum searches too)
[15:45:35] <cradek> just because I have an email folder with all the emc-users messages, and can search it easily and quickly, that doesn't mean others can do that
[15:48:36] <jepler> forum searches tend to be poor quality (pre-google web search quality) are often rate limited and sometimes require forum sign-ins
[15:49:15] <jepler> but yeah, clearly part of what makes the mailing list useful for me is that I have my own local full text search of 10+ years
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[15:51:30] <JT-Shop> use a site search to search a forum like servo site:linuxcnc.org
[15:52:00] <jepler> ditto once you know the location of a high-quality archive of a mailing list
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[15:58:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 a6bda7b 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/hm2_7i90.9 hm2_7i90 manpage: remove incorrect EPP info * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6bda7b
[15:58:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 2485089 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/hm2_7i90.9 hm2_7i90 manpage: clarify firmware management * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2485089
[16:00:14] <mozmck> I thought he laid out the pros and cons of both pretty well, and explained why lots of people find mailing lists more useful. I have often said I don't have time to look at forums.
[16:01:24] <mozmck> I can look at all the posts on 30 or 40 ml faster than I can go to one forum and browse a few posts.
[16:02:16] <skunkworks> brian.. 'CV settings are getting worked on now and I hope to have that done next week. I am redoing all the code from what it was in Mach3'
[16:02:19] <skunkworks> impressive
[16:03:42] <cradek> I don't see how any one guy can understand and rewrite (!) all the parts of a nontrivial program
[16:04:55] <archivist> I think that is why it relies on external motion planners more and more
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[16:08:19] <seb_kuzminsky> yay, features! thanks dgarr!
[16:09:04] <seb_kuzminsky> each time i update a feature, i get a message saying "Message from defaults.ngc: stop and check 'Skip lines starting with /'"
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[16:09:17] <cradek> yeah I didn't understand that either
[16:09:31] <cradek> if you don't have block delete on, it makes 100 rapid squares for some reason
[16:09:44] <cradek> it's supposed to be a safety thing? I don't understand it.
[16:10:05] <seb_kuzminsky> oh weird
[16:10:27] <seb_kuzminsky> o<safety-999>
[16:11:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i think i'm going to like conversational machining in some situations
[16:11:21] <cradek> I poked block delete and moved on
[16:11:28] <cradek> yeah, it looks really useful
[16:11:43] <cradek> I got some mill stuff to work, but couldn't figure out facing on the lathe
[16:11:44] <seb_kuzminsky> a lot of the things i do are on-offs where i dont care about being able to go back to my exact gcode months later
[16:12:06] <cradek> yeah and who enjoys writing gcode for facing?
[16:12:21] <cradek> pretty much all lathe stuff is trivial but tedious to write
[16:12:25] <seb_kuzminsky> i've never written any gcode for lathes...
[16:12:49] * seb_kuzminsky looks guiltily at the little servos he bought for the little lathe, collecting dust under a bench
[16:13:41] <cradek> I sometimes MDI repeating drill cycles for basic turning/facing type stuff (not ideal because it drags the tool on the way back out)
[16:13:45] <cradek> it's a silly hack
[16:14:08] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, there's a surprising thing about the default Features circle
[16:14:42] <archivist> I mdi a bout 3 lines and try to be consistent going back a few, edit, next nest
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[16:15:44] <seb_kuzminsky> the thing that surprised me was my own misunderstanding of how to specify the circle
[16:16:35] <seb_kuzminsky> you give two points on the circumference, that's weird to me. there are an infinite number of circles containing any two points
[16:17:14] <seb_kuzminsky> are they assumed to be 180 degrees apart?
[16:17:27] <cradek> maybe so
[16:17:40] <cradek> center and radius or diameter would be less surprising to me
[16:17:53] <seb_kuzminsky> same
[16:18:01] <cradek> dewey's work sure got more eyes on this already
[16:18:37] <seb_kuzminsky> ooh, it works with cutter comp
[16:18:40] <seb_kuzminsky> <3
[16:19:20] <seb_kuzminsky> cool, the circle Feature can make circular pockets, that's super useful
[16:19:47] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm getting dizzy looking at all these spirals
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[16:20:29] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05zultron/g52 a219c2d 06linuxcnc 10(27 files in 9 dirs) Implement G52 offsets * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a219c2d
[16:20:50] <cradek> boom!
[16:21:29] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah, i owe zultron another look at that remap/subroutine/start-from-line thing
[16:21:49] <seb_kuzminsky> and a first look at the other things he's pushed
[16:22:08] <cradek> so many things! it's great!
[16:23:40] <seb_kuzminsky> the Features/Circle/Create-a-pocket fails silently(?) if there's no tool loaded
[16:23:52] <seb_kuzminsky> which makes sense, because how would it know how wide to make the passes?
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[16:29:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 21ae480 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/hm2_7i90.9 10src/emc/motion-logger/motion-logger.c Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.6' into 2.7 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=21ae480
[16:29:38] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master e2b0651 06linuxcnc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2b0651
[16:30:08] <seb_kuzminsky> if i had remembered to do the merge earlier, zultron wouldn't have had to cherry-pick the motion-logger fix that his test needs
[16:30:13] <seb_kuzminsky> better late than never i guess
[16:30:40] <jepler> if it's still just in his personal branch he can rebase if he prefers
[16:33:06] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
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[16:34:43] <seb_kuzminsky> ooh, rtai 5.0 is being readied for release
[16:35:10] <seb_kuzminsky> using some crazy "copy files between CVS repositories" technique
[16:37:14] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05zultron/g52 89bec83 06linuxcnc 10(27 files in 9 dirs) Implement G52 offsets * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=89bec83
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[16:37:58] <jepler> I'm pleased to see zultron contributing
[16:39:11] <seb_kuzminsky> me too
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[16:44:06] <seb_kuzminsky> oops, bringin_features brought in the github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features master branch, but nick told me in private email that fern's repo is the one to use
[16:44:40] <seb_kuzminsky> it should be easy to apply the updates from ferns repo to the bringin_features import
[16:45:03] <seb_kuzminsky> or i could redo the first commit in that branch, the one that imports it
[16:45:13] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: do you have a preference between these two?
[17:05:42] <linuxcnc-build> build #206 of 1503.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
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[17:06:09] <linuxcnc-build> build #206 of 1501.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
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[17:06:39] <seb_kuzminsky> yay, the buildbot actually did something useful for once
[17:06:43] <cradek> yay!
[17:06:49] <seb_kuzminsky> found a tiny bug in the new docs
[17:07:15] <cradek> however, I am appalled that it uses *** in places that aren't failures
[17:07:26] <cradek> *** this is fine!
[17:07:43] <cradek> ***
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/234/765/b7e.jpg
[17:07:51] <cradek> sorry
[17:08:17] <seb_kuzminsky> i wanted something eye catching, but i can understand that "***" looks scary
[17:08:37] <seb_kuzminsky> probably silence on success would be better
[17:08:49] <seb_kuzminsky> feel free to change it if you like :-P
[17:09:20] <seb_kuzminsky> nice, the zultron/g52 branch has tests and docs and everything
[17:11:26] <seb_kuzminsky> zultron: if you apt-get install w3c-linkchecker, then building the docs will check all the links
[17:11:41] <seb_kuzminsky> the reason we don't build-depend on it is that it's not available in lucid
[17:11:51] <seb_kuzminsky> so that's one more good thing we can do if we drop lucid support...
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[17:32:27] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: Reading back in the logs, it may be that even “Features” is overkill for one-off lathe work. I use a set of turn/bore/face tabs where you just fill in the numbers (which persist through a restart) and press “go”. It covers approximately 97.6% of my lathe stuff:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros
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[18:09:54] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: oops, it was you who picked that? :-)
[18:10:14] <cradek> ... make has printed *** on errors forever so that's what I always try searching for
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[18:18:56] <seb_kuzminsky> huh, we dont have continuous jogging input pins in Motion, i thought we did
[18:19:21] <seb_kuzminsky> just wheel jogging in motion, or SHM commands from Task i guess
[18:19:37] <cradek> right
[18:19:43] <cradek> halui has it though
[18:20:39] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, but that's lame because halui and task are not realtime
[18:20:52] <seb_kuzminsky> i bet that's the problem stuart's having
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[18:30:42] <andypugh> One might argue that the Cinci was just big enough that you should deprecate non-realtime jogging
[18:32:05] <cradek> that machine is verrrrry slow. if he doubles the servo cycle I bet the problem goes away
[18:32:20] <andypugh> Isn’t continous jog just a straight-traverse to the axis limit, and an abort on release?
[18:32:26] <cradek> he's got very complex kins running on it and I bet he used one of those shitty atom boards
[18:32:57] <cradek> sort of - they're planned in joint space, but yes abort on release
[18:32:58] <andypugh> Is the machine slow, or just moving a long way?
[18:33:45] <cradek> I don't know the numbers but I think it's slow and the accel is slower
[18:34:00] <cradek> and surely velocity mode servos so you don't need a fast update
[18:34:03] <archivist> on my machine you stop pressing the keyboard and it continues a bit
[18:34:47] <cradek> I wonder if changing the servo cycle would detune his pids. sadly, probably yes
[18:34:59] <archivist> mine is stepper
[18:36:05] <Tom_itx> so you don't care for the atom boards?
[18:36:11] <Tom_itx> 525 etc
[18:36:27] <archivist> any thing a bit slow or low ram
[18:37:26] <Tom_itx> so the Q1900 would be a better choice?
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[19:08:51] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr's email about features is right on point
[19:09:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i haven't looked at the bringin_features branch closely, but if it's as non-invasive as it sounds, it could sure go in 2.7
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[19:23:30] <seb_kuzminsky> i just found a bug in linuxcnc. sometimes when you type "make" it crashes your laptop
[19:29:59] <cradek> hmm, I wonder when stuart's machine last rebooted
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[19:50:48] <seb_kuzminsky> tell him to run make
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[21:04:05] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/29848-old-install-having-new-issues#64472
[21:04:12] <cradek> I hate when people start two threads
[21:04:34] <cradek> > If you press the arrow key multiple times it will speed up.
[21:04:37] <cradek> uhh
[21:07:30] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 d2e8f94 06linuxcnc 10(28 files in 2 dirs) tests: move the basic motion-logger tests * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2e8f94
[21:08:00] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6-mountaindew e9e5bcc 06linuxcnc 10(10 files in 2 dirs) tests: add a motion-logger test of the mountaindew bug * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9e5bcc
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[21:19:00] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: it might be good to talk directly to the guy at the machine, instead of going through Stuart
[21:19:23] <seb_kuzminsky> and he (i'm guessing) might feel more at home talking to us through a webpage instead of joining our mailing list
[21:19:36] <andypugh> Tell them they are out of service contract on 2.4-pre
[21:19:51] <andypugh> (they should at least use a released version)
[21:19:56] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[21:20:31] <seb_kuzminsky> there have been some juicy jogging fixes in Axis in the, uh, 5.5 years since 2.4.0
[21:20:31] <andypugh> I didn’t know that tjamscad was at MPM. He’s posted a lot to the forum
[21:20:48] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: i think that's conjecture at the moment
[21:21:02] <seb_kuzminsky> just since he described a similar issue as what stuart said on the mailing list
[21:21:58] <andypugh> Well, his forum profile says that he lives in Wichita and that his web page is www.mpm1.com
[21:22:06] <seb_kuzminsky> ah, heh
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[21:24:18] <andypugh> I wonder what I did today to get 4 new YouTube subscribers?
[21:24:33] <cradek> andypugh: did you figure out your spark problem?
[21:24:56] <andypugh> I haven’t looked at the Ner-a-Car since. Too busy with pattern making
[21:32:56] <JT-Shop> we need a NO_ARE_YOU_SURE entry in the ini
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[22:08:29] <andypugh> Has anyone else had the situation where Touchy jumps to 15,000% feed over-ride?
[22:08:48] <andypugh> (It takes a long, long, time to wind it back at 25% per turn)
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[22:09:01] <dgarr> seb_kuzminsky: "do you have a preference ...",
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/longanswer.txt
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[22:18:31] <mozmck> dgarr: I wonder if fernv might help with some of that if you mentioned it to him?
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[22:20:28] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: reading it now
[22:21:46] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, sounds good.
[22:22:09] <seb_kuzminsky> you know features better than any of us, so your guidance on this is very valuable
[22:22:43] <seb_kuzminsky> i wish nick had sent his reply to the list instead of just back to me, i asked him to keep emc-developers on the To: line for future emails
[22:24:09] <seb_kuzminsky> i agree with mozmck that bringing fern and nick into this would be good - they should have some knowledge of why that change was made, and will maybe/hopefully be willing to do some of the integration work that you've been doing
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[22:30:35] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: looking at your bringin_features branch, i see no reason why it couldnt go into a future 2.7 release
[22:30:58] <seb_kuzminsky> it looks like it's not making any changes to any existing APIs, and no scary changes to build infrastructure etc
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[22:39:45] <cradek> andypugh: no I haven't seen that...
[22:40:35] <andypugh> Do you know where it stores the FO value? It would be less trouble to shut down, edit something, and re-start
[22:41:18] <cradek> ~/.touchy_preferences
[22:41:28] <andypugh> It might be a bazillion false counts on the 7i73.
[22:41:49] <cradek> yeah it seems like it must have been a jump in input counts
[22:42:21] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: did it jump in the middle of running touchy, or was it jumped when you started touchy?
[22:42:23] <cradek> kinda forgot it saves those. a feature I guess...?
[22:42:33] <cradek> good question
[22:42:46] <andypugh> It was like that when I started Touchy
[22:43:00] <andypugh> And FO is not in the prefes file
[22:43:49] <andypugh> (i do see “toolsetting_fixture” which is something I think I will change. That’s the L11 / L1 setting I guess?
[22:44:20] <cradek> yeah but it's on the prefs screen
[22:44:42] <andypugh> I just hadn’t spotted it :-)
[22:44:50] <cradek> wait you're right - FO isn't in here
[22:45:04] <cradek> it must be doing that wrong thing at every restart then?
[22:45:10] <andypugh> But it _is_ sticky, as far as I can tell.
[22:45:38] <cradek> one of us is going to have to look at the code, I can just tell
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[22:45:47] <andypugh> And no, it isn’t always 15,000. It happens under unusual circumstances that I have not identified. a total of 4 times, ever.
[22:46:46] <andypugh> So, it’s not a huge issue, except that it does lead to tool/work damage as feeds become a bit quick
[22:47:31] <cradek> what's peculiar about your setup?
[22:49:36] <andypugh> Everything
[22:50:14] <andypugh> The mpg is connected through a 7i73 to smart-serial, for a start.
[22:50:57] <andypugh> Otherwise it is one of only two known resolver / 8i20 setups
[22:51:50] <cradek> hmm
[22:51:55] <andypugh> Though that shouldn’t matter, except that false counts could be actually semi-real. Perhaps it’s a bug in the sserial mpg encoder handling
[22:52:01] <cradek> next time it happens, check to see if the counts are unreasonable?
[22:52:16] <andypugh> I should have thought of that
[22:53:19] <andypugh> Having wound it all the way back… 11 s32 OUT -2401 hm2_5i23.0.7i73.0.5.enc0.rawcounts
[22:53:58] <andypugh> So, it’s at -2401 counts after being wound back 600 full turns. It looks like it was at lots more before I wound it back. SO I blame me.
[22:58:47] <cradek> howso?
[22:59:33] <cradek> hm, an unwanted index reset would sure make a jump. any chance of index confusion?
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[23:05:40] <andypugh> It’s an mpg, no index
[23:06:02] <andypugh> I am wondering about a bug in my bit-extension code
[23:08:13] <andypugh> The smart-serial encoders can have any bit-length. I extend them to 64 bits here:
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/sserial.c;h=c4ac675498548ea22e79035fa0b1a3f5b1a69044;hb=e2b065110dd5f17fbd5101ba7d0908c8f5b7e9d1#l1421
[23:09:16] <andypugh> Code so clever that I can’t believe that I ever understood it…
[23:28:04] <andypugh> I do like taking a silly idea seriously. Vacuum drawbar, I ask you!
[23:28:24] <andypugh> (I am hoping he is going to ask about a “really high vacuum” :-)
[23:33:17] <cradek> seems like it could work with enough area, which there is not
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