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[15:05:22] <skunkworks> Hi alex_joni
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[15:14:08] <JT-Shop> Hi alex_joni
[15:14:11] <mozmck> so does everyone not like the x.y.z numbering scheme? I kind of like it myself. For x.y numbering, would y be bug-fix releases and x by major ones?
[15:14:48] <mozmck> I guess there is not much difference except the major number increases faster.
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[15:15:54] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: "x.y.z" is like 2.7.1, right? the x.y (2.7) is the "major version", and the z (.1) is the minor version. the issue for me is, when do you increment X vs increment Y? ie, is the next version 2.8 or 3.0?
[15:16:22] <seb_kuzminsky> the distinction is not useful to me, so i'd rather collapse those two numbers into one, and increment it for each new stable version
[15:16:49] <seb_kuzminsky> it makes the number simpler, without losing the information of "this is a new stable version"
[15:17:05] <mozmck> that may be so
[15:17:27] <seb_kuzminsky> but it's your release and i dont have a strong feeling about it ;-)
[15:17:50] <mozmck> One thing I have seen that I kind of like is having even Y numbers be stable and odd for development releases. I don't know if we want to get into that though.
[15:18:05] <mozmck> I don't have strong feelings about it either.
[15:18:23] <seb_kuzminsky> that was how the linux kernel did it in the early days, but they moved away frmo it
[15:18:45] <seb_kuzminsky> we dont really release development code currently, except as buildbot packages from the master branch
[15:18:51] <mozmck> Jumping to 3.0 is fine by me especially if we get JA in.
[15:19:38] <seb_kuzminsky> we indicate pre-release with the "~preN" suffix to the version number (the ~ works well with how debian packages are sorted)
[15:19:47] <mozmck> yes
[15:20:56] <mozmck> btw, I ran across another static website CMS:
http://get-simple.info/
[15:21:43] <seb_kuzminsky> our version numbers are slightly more complicated than what we've been talking about, for "interim builds" between the releases, since we tack on "-CommitNumber-gHash" after the release version number
[15:22:10] <seb_kuzminsky> v2.6.10-24-g61d6c88
[15:22:19] <mozmck> Seems like the buildbot packages should be mentioned a little more prominently on the website - so it is easier for those who would like to try the development version to find them.
[15:23:03] <seb_kuzminsky> the X.Y.Z is 2.6.10, then the rest indicates we're 24 commits past that release, and the commit that was built is 61d6c88
[15:23:12] <mozmck> I see. That's more like a.b.c-d-xyz!
[15:23:12] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: yeah, that's probably a good idea
[15:23:47] <seb_kuzminsky> those are not "official" releases, they're "interim builds" (which is a term i just made up) that are sort of like the development snapshots leading up to the next official release
[15:24:57] <mozmck> They only show up on the buildbot builds?
[15:25:06] <seb_kuzminsky> yep
[15:25:17] <seb_kuzminsky> the official releases on wlo are all numbered "x.y.z"
[15:25:36] <mozmck> I'm fine with changing to x.y - doesn't matter to me.
[15:25:49] <seb_kuzminsky> you can see how those numbers are generated by running scripts/get-version-from-git
[15:25:58] <mozmck> I've seen that
[15:26:13] <mozmck> pretty nifty
[15:26:21] <seb_kuzminsky> checkout out the current tip of 2.6 and it'll generate and x.y.z-commitnumber-gsha
[15:26:41] <seb_kuzminsky> then checkout out a release tag like v2.6.10 and it'll generate the official version number for that release
[15:27:10] <seb_kuzminsky> the release checklist wiki page discusses how to create release tags, did i show you this?
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ReleaseCheckList
[15:27:36] <mozmck> I think you did a while back. I'll read it again.
[15:27:44] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[15:27:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i think we're a ways away from 2.8.0 (or 3.0, or whatever) so no rush
[15:28:26] <mozmck> probably so.
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[15:38:07] <archivist> the argument for 3 digits is incompatible changes of the 2-3 and improvements in the .8 and bugs in the .1
[15:38:15] <alex_joni> hi guys
[15:42:05] <seb_kuzminsky> hi alex_joni
[15:42:38] <seb_kuzminsky> archivist: but we've been doign incompatible changes btween every major version (2.5 to 2.6, 2.6 to 2.7, etc)
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[15:47:04] <jepler> http://semver.org/ sure has opinions about software versioning. but as we seldom make purely bugfix releases, if we followed semantic versioning we'd always be releasing x.y.0 and not using the third digit
[15:47:30] <jepler> I think two digits is enough for the style of development style and release-making that we do in linuxcnc right now
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[16:43:51] <seb_kuzminsky> FernV replied privately to my email about LinuxCNC Features. he said nick was the original developer but has not been actively maintaining Features for "some time". Fern claims to not be a developer, but that he fixed some bugs and made it more user friendly, and then Nick picked up all Fern's changes into his repo
[16:45:43] <mozmck> interesting.
[16:46:45] <skunkworks> that sounds messy...
[16:46:52] <cradek> well it could just be done
[16:47:00] <cradek> sometimes it's hard to tell done from abandoned
[16:47:30] <seb_kuzminsky> Fern said he would need help integrating Features with LinxuCNC's repo & packaging
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[16:47:59] <cradek> so would anyone
[16:57:22] <mozmck> If I have a max velocity set for each axis, is there a good reason to set a TRAJ MAX_VELOCITY?
[16:57:51] <cradek> probably not on a trivkins machine
[16:58:28] <mozmck> ok, I have not had it set and had no problems, but Gscreen issues a warning about it.
[16:58:53] <cradek> hmm if a gui uses it for the top of a slider or something, maybe you need it
[16:59:11] <mozmck> Yeah, I don't in my skin though.
[16:59:59] <mozmck> I use a percentage slider (0 - 100%) and set the jog rate of each axis to that percentage of it's max vel
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[17:42:59] <skunkworks> mozmck, you guys get mentioned I noticed about changing to linuxcnc...
[17:43:45] <skunkworks> http://www.plasmaspider.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=105281
[17:47:24] <mozmck> skunkworks: neat! thanks. I don't browse forums much.
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[18:06:14] <skunkworks> you know what is interesting.. I do a lot of google searching - I don't think I have ever gotten a hit from a yahoo group.
[18:06:19] <skunkworks> that seems like a waste.
[18:08:18] <mozmck> maybe yahoo doesn't let google index their group pages.
[18:08:34] <mozmck> have you tried searching yahoo?
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[18:12:59] <skunkworks> in my experience google gives me results I am looking for. (yahoo not so much)
[18:13:14] <skunkworks> but maybe I am better speaking google than yahoo
[18:13:28] <mozmck> yeah, I just wondered if yahoo would show results from their groups.
[18:13:40] <skunkworks> right- I will have to try that.
[18:14:07] <skunkworks> it is funny that it just dawned on me that I never get yahoo group results.
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[19:29:42] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05zultron/remap-startline-fix 2afd00a 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/task/emctaskmain.cc Bugfix: Start line and remap interaction * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2afd00a
[19:31:24] <seb_kuzminsky> woo!
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[19:40:47] <jepler> jthornton: when you have a chance, can you put up a notice that the forum migration will be the weekend of 5/6 november and that the forum will be set to read-only mode before the migration starts? thank you!
[19:41:24] <Tom_itx> moving it to your server?
[19:42:18] <jepler> Tom_itx: I'll be hosting it on a digitalocean.com vps actually
[19:42:29] <seb_kuzminsky> awesome
[19:42:34] <jepler> but the real point is modernizing the installs of joomla and kunena
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[19:42:39] <Tom_itx> the one you've been testing here
[19:42:41] <jepler> and separating it from the www.linuxcnc.org website
[19:42:42] <jepler> right
[19:43:01] <Tom_itx> good idea
[19:43:56] <jepler> Some other people have expressed interest in having a main website that is generated by a static website generator and version controlled by git, and I hope they will step forward and do that soon after the forum is moved
[19:44:35] <Tom_itx> yeah it could use a facelift
[19:44:38] <jepler> due to the large volume of files that www.linuxcnc.org hosts, I think we'll want to leave that on dreamhost because they have unlimited disk
[19:52:37] <jepler> in ~24 hours (October 26 in PDT -0700 time zone) there were 1618 unique hosts in 1507 different class Cs requesting the "Release" file of our deb repositories
[19:53:35] <jepler> lucid saw requests from 720 unique class Cs (the most), wheezy saw 620 (second) and others saw fewer than 200
[19:56:05] <jepler> ("Release" is one of the files that will be automatically fetched when getting the list of available updates)
[19:57:34] <jepler> looking at 2 days data instead of 1, there are 2152 unique hosts in 2119 unique class Cs represented
[19:59:07] <jepler> so there are thousands of turned-on, net-connected linuxcnc systems out there checking for updates
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[20:02:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05zultron/subs-follow-main-fix 69aeafd 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_o_word.cc 03tests/interp/m98m99/08-sub-follows-main/expected 03tests/interp/m98m99/08-sub-follows-main/test.ngc 03tests/interp/m98m99/08-sub-follows-main/test.sh Fix subs breaking when placed after main program * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=69aeafd
[20:04:36] <andypugh> jepler: That’s quite a lot, and possibly less than half of them.
[20:04:57] <andypugh> If we charged $100 we would still be poor, though.
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[20:05:51] <jepler> yeah better to charge £100, that's real money
[20:06:02] <jepler> but let's face it, who would pay money for linuxcnc
[20:07:42] <andypugh> Possibly a sizable group who don’t trust free sotfware.
[20:09:48] <jepler> don't get me started
[20:09:53] <jepler> have you *used* commercial software?
[20:12:02] <jepler> (said the guy with the irrational distrust of commercial software)
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[20:33:35] <andypugh> I am using Autodesk Inventor as we speak
[20:33:52] <andypugh> The CAM is excellent, but my demo license expires tomorrow.
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[20:34:22] <andypugh> (for the CAM, I have a legitimate license for the CAD software)
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[20:58:28] <skunkworks> zlog:
[20:58:28] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-10-27.html
[21:01:03] <skunkworks> we have m98,99 now?
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[21:45:01] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05zultron/subs-follow-main-fix a636070 06linuxcnc 03tests/interp/subs-follow-main/expected 03tests/interp/subs-follow-main/test.ngc 03tests/interp/subs-follow-main/test.sh Fix subs breaking when placed after main program * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a636070
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[21:58:01] <jthornton> jepler, done
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[22:01:41] <jepler> jthornton: thank you
[22:02:09] <jepler> hmm except I said nonsense dates :-P
[22:03:11] <jepler> 6/7, I can work with that
[22:03:34] <JT-Shop> I can change them
[22:03:43] <jepler> it's OK
[22:03:48] <JT-Shop> 7/8?
[22:03:53] <jepler> yeah that's what I meant
[22:03:59] <jepler> not sure what month of calendar I looked at
[22:03:59] <JT-Shop> I'll fix it
[22:04:02] <jepler> thanks
[22:06:35] <JT-Shop> fixed
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[22:41:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05zultron/subs-follow-main-fix 6afa3c7 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_o_word.cc 03tests/interp/subs-follow-main/expected 03tests/interp/subs-follow-main/test.ngc 03tests/interp/subs-follow-main/test.sh Fix subs breaking when placed after main program * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=6afa3c7
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[22:43:39] <KimK_laptop> This docs format is nice, two separately scrollable windows:
http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/en/eeschema.html
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