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[02:02:20] <seb_kuzminsky> i thought he was not using remap, did i misread?
[02:25:01] <skunkworks> ah - I suck at reading comprehension.. (and spelling)
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[11:33:53] * jthornton has just discovered asciidoctor http://asciidoctor.org/docs/user-manual/#asciidoctor-vs-asciidoc
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[11:46:56] <skunkworks> make sense?
[11:46:56] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/fanuc/283694-need-help-converting-fanuc-linuxcnc-tacho-signals.html
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[11:55:37] <Tom_itx> clear as the night sky
[11:56:57] <skunkworks> pretty clear at the moment. A coworker just showed up with a telescope.
[11:58:08] <Tom_itx> i've got one packed away in a closet i should sell
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[12:46:49] <jepler> jthornton: at a quick glance, asciidoctor is not packaged on at least some of the os versions we ship linuxcnc on.
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[13:06:03] <jepler> .. in debian wheezy you can get it through backports only, and that's version 0.1.3 while their newest release is 1.5.2
[13:06:22] <jepler> so I agree it's interesting, but there would be a lot of not fun packaging work before we can use it to build docs for linuxcnc
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[13:25:01] <JT-Shop> the only thing that interested me was the ability to have a link open a new page for offsite links
[13:26:01] <JT-Shop> like the "ideal weight" link on this page
http://gnipsel.com/gravity/index.html
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[14:22:12] <jthornton> see you guys Sunday afternoon
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[14:38:52] <jepler> see you jt
[14:41:12] <jepler> If it's desirable, a variation on this which only adds the target property when the href is not an internal link would be one way to go
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6822945/add-target-blank-to-link-with-javascript#6823034
[14:41:48] <jepler> personally I find that irritating behavior though
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[19:41:11] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: what cms blogging software are you running on emergent.unpy.net?
[19:41:15] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm guessing not joomla
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[20:10:02] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: Aether ?
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[20:12:49] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: ?
[20:13:10] <skunkworks> http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01098728686
[20:13:52] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm
[20:14:34] <seb_kuzminsky> a few days ago i got sad at how out of date our website is, and i realized i hate working with joomla, and i started looking for alternatives
[20:14:45] <cradek> godspeed
[20:15:10] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek reminded me that the forum, which i think is part of joomla, can't break...
[20:15:26] <seb_kuzminsky> but most of the part i'm annoyed at is just static html
[20:15:43] <seb_kuzminsky> it could be built by static generators backed by git, like jekyll or pelican
[20:16:08] <seb_kuzminsky> and we could keep the forum (only) in joomla, and link to it from the static part of the site
[20:17:01] <cradek> it would be nice if dreamhost did the maintenance work for us, which I think is partially controlled by whether we pick one of these:
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Available_One_Click_Installs
[20:17:28] <seb_kuzminsky> jekyll is what github pages uses,
https://pages.github.com/
[20:17:48] <mozmck> If by maintenance you mean upgrades - I don't think they do that.
[20:18:11] <cradek> then my understanding is wrong
[20:18:21] <seb_kuzminsky> didn't swp or alex joni do an upgrade recently, in emergency mode?
[20:18:31] <cradek> and I've never seen the one-clicker part of dreamhost
[20:19:02] <cradek> yes, I think one-click and then customize as necessary leaves you doomed to suffer, and we always suffer when an update is needed
[20:19:28] <mozmck> my understanding could be wrong as well, but I've helped on numbers of websites that have the one-click, and they don't automatically update stuff - just make it easier to install at first.
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[20:19:44] <cradek> alex_joni: if you are around, please tell us how it works
[20:20:09] <cradek> mozmck: I suppose they all tend to have their own updaters built in, for better or worse
[20:20:14] <cradek> (usually worse)
[20:20:15] <mozmck> Updating is usually made harder by the plugins and customization. Joomla seems to be bad about that.
[20:20:19] <cradek> right
[20:20:39] <seb_kuzminsky> jekyll and pelican both act like fancy versions of our asciidoc-to-html build system
[20:21:07] <cradek> sounds like a wiki
[20:21:08] <seb_kuzminsky> that seems so much more natural than a php thingy with a database backend
[20:21:18] <skunkworks> The following script updates are available:
[20:21:19] <skunkworks> WordPress 4.3.1:
[20:21:21] <skunkworks> http://ecostirling.com/wp
[20:21:22] <skunkworks> To upgrade these scripts go to your Control Panel -> Softaculous -> Installations.
[20:21:24] <skunkworks> There you will be able to update the scripts.
[20:21:27] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: so a build step gives you actual static pages?
[20:21:33] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: yeah
[20:21:48] <mozmck> neat
[20:21:55] <seb_kuzminsky> they can have js and fancy things in them, but they dont need it, and they dont need a sql server on the backend
[20:21:56] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: that's appealing
[20:22:07] <seb_kuzminsky> and the source could/would just be a git repo
[20:22:51] <cradek> that also sounds very easy to secure
[20:22:57] <seb_kuzminsky> forex:
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/SebKuzminsky.github.io
[20:23:05] <seb_kuzminsky> https://sebkuzminsky.github.io/
[20:23:07] <mozmck> Yeah, wordpress seems to get a lot of hacks.
[20:23:22] <cradek> and joomla and phpbb and all the rest of the php apps
[20:23:54] <seb_kuzminsky> that git repo contains a jekyll config, that github.io automatically builds (on push) into that named static github.io site
[20:23:59] <cradek> we would still have the forum, which is probably the worst of it all, securitywise
[20:24:08] <seb_kuzminsky> it's refreshingly low on crazyness
[20:25:02] <cradek> huh
[20:25:27] <seb_kuzminsky> that github.io site has a link to our joomla forum, that seems to work fine
[20:26:14] <cradek> I like this pony that you want
[20:26:27] <cradek> I wonder what other plugins we have that we might care about
[20:26:36] <seb_kuzminsky> jekyll makes it super easy to test out changes locally, you run "jekyll serve --watch" in your working dir and it makes a webserver (on port 4000) that serves up the site
[20:26:36] <cradek> I know of the user map, but I don't know if it even works anymore
[20:26:53] <seb_kuzminsky> it monitors the files for changes, and automatically rebuilds the site when you save any of the source files (or add any)
[20:27:22] <seb_kuzminsky> then when you're happy you commit and push, and the github.io site gets updates
[20:27:50] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not saying we have to use githubs hosting, i'm just sharing what i've found that's possible with this tool
[20:27:53] <mozmck> did the joomla upgrade ever even get finished? Last I heard there were some issues and SWP just re-enabled things (at least temporarily?)
[20:28:14] <cradek> mozmck: I kinda think it didn't
[20:28:19] <seb_kuzminsky> the jekyll in wheezy is a little old, the one in jessie is modern and awesome
[20:29:03] <seb_kuzminsky> there's also another similar tool called pelican, it does the same thing but is written in python (jekyll is in ruby)
[20:29:04] <cradek> would we have jekyll version clash between dreamhost and our desktops and also maybe git.linuxcnc.org? (where all does it have to run?)
[20:29:28] <seb_kuzminsky> pelical also accepts asciidoc natively, jekyll needs a plugin for it (it wants markdown by default)
[20:30:02] <seb_kuzminsky> when jekyll builds, the finished site shows up in _site/ in the repo (by default), and can be rsynced to your web host
[20:30:21] <seb_kuzminsky> so we could make a buildbot for it
[20:30:30] <cradek> I guess the user map does work
[20:30:33] <seb_kuzminsky> if we didnt want to use githubs build service & hosting
[20:31:06] <seb_kuzminsky> another option is to use our existing asciidoc build infrastructure, although i'm not totally enamored of it
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[20:33:44] <jepler> hi sorry I'm late to the discussion. Yes, my website is an otherwise long-dead cms written in Python. it probably is leakly like a seive.
[20:33:47] <jepler> sieve?
[20:34:22] <jepler> I really like the idea of the static web page generator but my experience with Jekyll was only "meh"
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[20:40:19] <malcom2073> I before E except after C
[20:40:48] <cradek> no weigh
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[20:41:57] <malcom2073> except in cases
[20:42:46] <cradek> yeah, weirdly
[20:42:51] <malcom2073> Like when sounded as "a", as in neighbour and weigh.
[20:44:09] <cradek> neither weirdly nor theist sound like "a"
[20:44:23] <cradek> ok I'll stop
[20:44:27] <cradek> sorry
[20:44:46] <malcom2073> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C
[20:44:47] <cradek> don't want to forfeit the channel to off-topic stuff
[20:44:55] <malcom2073> Ah true, I forgot this was -devel
[20:45:07] <cradek> sometimes people are feisty about being on-topic
[20:45:12] * malcom2073 snickers
[20:45:13] <cradek> sorry sorry
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[20:52:51] <jepler> it is to my surprise that there seems to be no pair of english words of the form XieY and XeiY (that is, two words that differ only by changing ie to ei)
[20:53:18] <cradek> huh
[20:53:31] <jepler> wait, I take it back
[20:53:32] <jepler> lie and lei
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[20:55:11] <jepler> Kieth and Keith, if you believe that
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[21:01:34] <jepler> http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/eieio.py
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[21:12:21] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: what made you feel meh about jekyll?
[21:12:41] <seb_kuzminsky> everything i've seen so far (which is not much) is way awesomer than joomla
[21:13:44] <seb_kuzminsky> if it's ruby you don't like, how about pelican?
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[21:13:55] <seb_kuzminsky> http://blog.getpelican.com/
[21:14:51] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I wanted things like a gallery and a tag cloud. Those aren't things included in jekyll by default and I didn't get around to writing or finding them
[21:15:45] <seb_kuzminsky> aha
[21:16:31] <jepler> I also wasn't sure whether it would scale
[21:16:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i think of our website as a tiny static front-end to our docs, with a little news ticker on the front page, so it probably doesn't need those things?
[21:16:53] <seb_kuzminsky> uhm, plus the forum....
[21:17:06] <jepler> it looks like the generation process seems to copy everything around, and my blog has 7GB of mostly photos
[21:19:47] <seb_kuzminsky> right
[21:20:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i see why it's not right for your blog now, thanks
[21:20:34] <seb_kuzminsky> we have some things on wlo that might fall into that category
[21:20:43] <seb_kuzminsky> the iso, for example
[21:20:55] <jepler> all the package repos for that matter
[21:20:58] <seb_kuzminsky> *isos
[21:21:03] <jepler> but we should probably use sub-sites more than we do
[21:21:19] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, the deb archive definitely shouldnt be managed as part of our website
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[21:38:48] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: came across this randomly:
http://www.justkez.com/generating-a-tag-cloud-in-jekyll/
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[22:13:10] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm gonna make 2.6.10 and 2.7.1 this weekend
[22:13:21] <seb_kuzminsky> there's some good fixes in both
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[22:25:33] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yay, appreciate it!
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[23:59:10] <Roguish> hey all. this docs is really good.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
[23:59:14] <Roguish> thanks