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[02:03:15] <skunksleep> Heh...
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/67945-New-CNC-mill-(Tri-onics)?p=1003240#post1003240
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[02:19:11] <jepler> > either Mach or LinuxCNC (depends on how much of a nerd you are),
[02:30:35] <jepler> I did not know that New Horizons will be doing a second flyby, of a Kuiper Belt object selected in August mostly for being in the right spot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Horizons#Kuiper_belt_object_.28KBO.29_mission https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/beyond-pluto-%E2%80%93-new-horizons-next-target
[02:31:48] <jepler> so with any luck, New Horizons will be sending more images in 2019
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[02:51:07] <seb_kuzminsky> one of the guys at work worked on the particle counter on New Horizons
[02:51:45] <seb_kuzminsky> alright i'm freaked out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Regio
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[12:24:05] <skunkworks> cradek, no - you programed each quadrant as a separate gcode line.
[12:24:10] <skunkworks> pretty common back then
[12:24:33] <Tom_itx> circles?
[12:24:35] <Tom_itx> yeah
[12:24:36] <skunkworks> yes
[12:24:48] <Tom_itx> boss5 was like that
[12:24:57] <skunkworks> no decimal points. required leading zeros
[12:25:07] <Tom_itx> pita
[12:25:18] <skunkworks> yep. put worked
[12:26:25] <skunkworks> *but
[12:27:19] <Tom_itx> cradek, irc channels are better than mailing lists _or_ forums :)
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[12:40:39] <skunkworks> agreed
[12:49:46] <jepler> depends for what
[12:51:55] <skunkworks> light hearted comradery..
[12:52:03] <jepler> ah
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[12:57:41] <jepler> andypugh: without diminishing your point on the mailing list, you can find imitation arduino mega boards for under $12. no endorsement, don't own one, no idea if they even work or just burn up the first time you plug them in...
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[14:14:14] <seb_kuzminsky> teensy 3.1 lc, $11.65,
https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/teensyLC.html
[14:14:52] <seb_kuzminsky> https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/linuxcnc-hal-teensy
[14:15:12] <seb_kuzminsky> that's what i used for analog IO for my 3d printer (which i still haven't finished)
[14:18:09] <jepler> I have a teensy, I should figure out how to put it in a useful project
[14:21:13] <skunkworks> The arduino stuff to do the spindle temp comp worked in wheezy. (I am sure no suprise to anyone...)
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[14:32:48] <jepler> wow, they were still building 90-CD-per-architecture sets every time they released Debian??! guys, stop, you're nuts.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/09/msg00004.html
[14:33:03] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[14:35:28] <mozmck> wow. they should put that effort into making the install and setup a little more user friendly!
[14:48:44] <skunkworks> eh - linucnc is supposed to be hard...
[14:48:50] <skunkworks> Linux
[14:49:05] <skunkworks> huh. my x doesn't work well anymore.
[14:49:19] <skunkworks> time to clean the keyboard again
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[14:53:03] <mozmck> heh! well, well, making it easier won't hurt anything. I think that's one reason PathPilot has been a success.
[14:57:03] <mozmck> Not that linuxcnc is hard to use... But setup can be a *steep* learning curve depending on what you need to do.
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[15:07:39] <jepler> if there's anything I've learned in the 11(?) years since deciding to write a GUI for LinuxCNC, it's that I have no clue what users want in a UI.
[15:07:43] <jepler> but hey, I have the one I wanted
[15:08:58] <jepler> I am trying really, really hard to just keep my mouth shut when I see other UIs and work on the low level parts of linuxcnc instead
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[15:11:19] * skunkworks still uses axis for everything...
[15:13:00] <cradek> I have the *two* I wanted
[15:20:21] <mozmck> I think what users want in a UI depends in part on what they are doing.
[15:21:05] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/29643-enable-qtouch-offq-button
[15:21:13] <skunkworks> is that because he is in joint mode?
[15:22:10] <cradek> wonder what version, and what the rest of the screen is showing
[15:22:48] <cradek> in recent eons, there are two touch off buttons
[15:24:05] <jepler> hmm, touch off should be disabled when you would get the error "Can't issue MDI commands when not homed", but it's enabled then.
[15:25:03] <mozmck> I like "manipulator effector"!
[15:27:32] <cradek> mostly that looks like it should be enabled when machine-on and idle
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[15:28:17] <cradek> but I sure don't understand what he's saying about G92
[15:32:02] <jepler> if { $::task_state == $::STATE_ON
[15:32:03] <jepler> && $::interp_state == $::INTERP_IDLE
[15:32:03] <jepler> && ($::motion_mode != $::TRAJ_MODE_FREE || $::kinematics_type == $::KINE
[15:32:05] <jepler> MATICS_IDENTITY)
[15:32:08] <jepler> } {
[15:32:11] <jepler> $::_tabs_manual.jogf.zerohome.zero configure -state normal
[15:32:31] <cradek> huh is that an older version?
[15:32:49] <cradek> I found it in manual_group or however it was spelled
[15:33:15] <jepler> no, it's listed there too
[15:34:18] <jepler> the last thing in proc update_state "wins"
[15:35:22] <jepler> looks like it's been that way evern since axis went in linuxcnc's git
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[19:06:42] <linuxcnc-build> build #26 of 4019.deb-jessie-rtpreempt-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4019.deb-jessie-rtpreempt-i386/builds/26 blamelist: Dewey Garrett <dgarrett@panix.com>
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[19:25:37] <skunkworks> Complete failure!!
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[20:26:25] <cradek> darn, "show offsets" has bitrotted. it puts the labels in wonky places.
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[20:33:56] <jepler> :-/
[20:34:03] <jepler> have to keep an eye on every single thing
[20:34:11] <jepler> -ETOOFEWEYES
[20:35:52] <cradek> sigh, wonder how long it's been wrong
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[20:41:29] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: looks right to me in 2.6.9 & 2.7.0
[20:41:44] <jepler> cradek had better say what he did and what he saw :)
[20:41:48] <seb_kuzminsky> you mean Axis, View -> Show offsets, right?
[20:41:53] <cradek> yeah
[20:41:56] <cradek> those cyan lines and labels you get
[20:42:09] <cradek> the labels aren't along the lines
[20:42:54] <jepler> weird, "Alt-v f" doesn't toggle offsets
[20:43:11] <jepler> oh the shortcut key is reused
[20:43:14] <seb_kuzminsky> the cyan labels are along the lines, in my 2.7.0
[20:43:15] <jepler> "front view"
[20:44:14] <cradek> in the Z view my label is edge-on and unreadable
[20:44:25] <jepler> I also eventually got a wonky display of the text "G54"
[20:44:49] <jepler> it might have happened only after I set offsets in all of X, Y and Z
[20:44:59] <cradek> that might be true
[20:45:10] <cradek> I have g10 l2 p1 x2 y2 z2 r20
[20:45:24] <cradek> the cyan G54 label only looks correct in the "Y" view
[20:45:52] <cradek> in X,Z views it's edge-on
[20:46:17] <jepler> and in perspective views it's certainly not "along" the cyan line
[20:46:50] <jepler> so yes, I am seeing what cradek sees
[20:46:53] <jepler> recent-ish master
[20:47:04] <seb_kuzminsky> ah
[20:47:33] <cradek> the flip-to-be-right-side-up might be working right
[20:48:23] <seb_kuzminsky> are the cyan labels supposed to always face the camera?
[20:48:28] <seb_kuzminsky> err, eyeball
[20:48:48] <cradek> I think so
[20:49:03] <cradek> and be along the lines, and be as right-side-up as possible
[20:49:08] <cradek> iirc, it's hard
[20:50:55] <seb_kuzminsky> they don't do that in 2.6.9
[20:51:05] <seb_kuzminsky> was it in 2.5 they worked that way?
[20:51:56] <cradek> perhaps only in my memory, colored by years of optimism, they work that way
[20:52:02] <cradek> in other words, I haven't looked
[20:52:30] <jepler> does G10 L20 take R-? If so, it's not mentioned by the docs
[20:52:44] <jepler> if not, is there some reason it's tough to support?
[20:53:01] <seb_kuzminsky> 2.5 configures & builds refreshingly quickly
[20:53:10] <jepler> 2.5 is before we took in boost::python
[20:53:12] <cradek> would it be different from L2 R?
[20:53:41] <jepler> I think the result should be the same as you would get if you G10 L2 R and then G10 L20 axes
[20:54:10] <cradek> I have no strong feelings about whether that should be allowed
[20:55:17] <seb_kuzminsky> it's the same in 2.5
[20:55:30] <cradek> argh
[20:55:40] <cradek> was 2.5 after the gremlin split?
[20:56:08] <seb_kuzminsky> 2.5 (tip) has gremlin
[20:56:39] <cradek> screenshot of an early implementation:
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/show-offsets.png
[20:56:49] <cradek> that's the Z view, which is one that doesn't currently work
[20:57:06] <seb_kuzminsky> 2.4 has no gremlin
[20:57:08] <cradek> well maybe this had only XY offsets
[20:57:21] <cradek> pack-rat screenshot = inconclusive
[20:57:42] <cradek> I don't think 2.4 runs and builds on debian
[20:57:56] <seb_kuzminsky> haha, i built 2.4 in wheezy, but got 2.7.0 when i ran "linuxcnc"
[20:58:05] <cradek> ha
[20:58:08] <cradek> oops
[20:58:40] <seb_kuzminsky> 2.4 tip builds and starts!
[20:58:49] <cradek> wow
[20:58:51] <seb_kuzminsky> and appears not to have offset display in axis
[20:59:03] <cradek> it might not be an option on the view menu
[20:59:12] <cradek> try offsetting anyway
[20:59:25] <seb_kuzminsky> g92 works
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[21:01:11] <cradek> do you mean 2.4 has cyan lines and labels that line up better?
[21:01:17] <seb_kuzminsky> no
[21:01:28] <seb_kuzminsky> 2.4 has no cyan lines and no lables
[21:02:09] <cradek> ok, then maybe it's always been wrong, and I'm puzzled by at least my screenshot and memory
[21:02:16] <cradek> thanks for looking in the time machine
[21:02:18] <seb_kuzminsky> 2.5.0 has cyan lines, and labels displayed vertically, just like 2.6 through master
[21:02:48] <seb_kuzminsky> there's a branch on some forgotten hard disk named "2.5-offset-label-display-fix"
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[21:43:28] <skunkworks> cradek: I remember you working on that at ann arbor - but I don't remember it ever getting in.
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[22:01:36] <mozmck> Is there a way to get the line number emc was executing when an EMC_TASK_ABORT command was received?
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[23:22:42] <jepler> I doubt it
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[23:26:01] <cradek> skunkworks: weird. I not only don't remember working on it, I don't remember it being broken.
[23:26:37] <cradek> oh well...
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