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[01:39:35] <jepler> yay, I'm glad you tracked it down
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[01:43:32] <skunkworks> pcw_home:
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/67945-New-CNC-mill-(Tri-onics)
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[01:50:16] <pcw_home> 7I77s should be available middle of next week
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[01:58:18] <pcw_home> I will have to make 250 at a time next and future batches though it looks like
[01:59:19] <atom1> zlog_,
[01:59:19] <zlog_> atom1: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-09-13.html
[02:01:06] <atom1> finally moving the mill back to the shop and off the testbench!
[02:01:22] <pcw_home> Thats was easy :-)
[02:01:34] <atom1> yep, thanks for the suggestions
[02:01:54] <atom1> just finished hooking it back up out here
[02:02:28] <atom1> only oddity is the pendant spindle button doesn't do reverse
[02:02:56] <pcw_home> the stepgen really _should _ work with 0 for maxvel and maxaccel, its a driver bug
[02:03:03] <atom1> if i issue an M4 and press it, it stops and again then it starts up in fwd
[02:03:22] <atom1> i ran thru a couple programs with no errors at all
[02:03:30] <pcw_home> hmm sounds like a hal file issue
[02:03:56] <atom1> the button, i'm not worried about.. i can fix that along the way
[02:04:39] <atom1> probably is the way the toggle2nist output works
[02:04:58] <pcw_home> Yeah
[02:05:36] <pcw_home> the funny thing with the stepgen driver bug is that it did
[02:05:37] <pcw_home> not show up until the move from Ubuntu 8.04 to 10.04 (servo thread jitter got worse)
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[02:06:11] <atom1> this is one of the D525 boards i'm still using
[02:06:50] <atom1> i've got that 1900 i could try but this seems to be working ok on it
[02:07:35] <pcw_home> yeah they (d525s) have ~100 usec servo thread jitter if you look at the actual time things execute
[02:08:30] <pcw_home> this is why you start getting real time errors if you set the servo thread faster than about 2 KHz on a D525
[02:09:04] <atom1> i was also getting a bit of runaway on the spindle pid but i haven't noticed it at all since i fixed the ini for the stepgens
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[02:11:40] <pcw_home> What were your following errors set for?
[02:12:24] <atom1> the ini settings?
[02:12:38] <pcw_home> the bug with the drivers position mode is it will just go nuts if the correction acceleration is not limited
[02:13:06] <pcw_home> (and gets a big latency spike so thinsks it needs to fix the position in one cycle)
[02:13:19] <atom1> FERROR = 0.050
[02:13:19] <atom1> MIN_FERROR = 0.005
[02:13:38] <atom1> never changed those from the beginning
[02:14:21] <pcw_home> Yeah those are relatively huge
[02:14:33] <atom1> what should they be?
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[02:14:52] <atom1> i can't even remember where i got the original ini hal files
[02:15:27] <atom1> that's what jt's plasma is set for :)
[02:16:25] <atom1> is that deviation from the actual path or is that something else?
[02:16:56] <atom1> kinda bogus on a stepper system since there's no real feedback
[02:17:18] <pcw_home> well there is feedback and there can be errors
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[02:17:53] <pcw_home> but the feedback is from the stepgens local position count
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[02:29:56] <pcw_home> here are some representative errors for a well tuned stepgen (4G, 1200 IPM):
[02:29:58] <pcw_home> freeby.mesanet.com/fe1.png
[02:29:59] <pcw_home> you can plot your FEs to see what your limits should be
[02:37:23] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't know how to read it :)
[02:37:44] <Tom_itx> i might check it some time though
[02:38:07] <skunksleep> Ether the vfd or the leadshine mx3660 has a very slow response on analog control
[02:38:17] <pcw_home> look at the aqua trace
[02:38:51] <pcw_home> Is there a VFD setting?
[02:39:15] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, what did you trigger on?
[02:39:25] <pcw_home> accel limit or something
[02:39:44] <pcw_home> triggered on following error
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[02:40:55] <skunksleep> I have no documentation on the vfd yet. The leadshine is pretty bad for docs. They don't give the pwm frequency. I assumed around 100 hz as it was probably designed to work with mach
[02:41:54] <pcw_home> Yeah i looked at the mx3660 specs when I made the 5I25 config and its pretty spare
[02:42:04] <skunksleep> Not very linear either.. (Well with my flailing)
[02:42:32] <pcw_home> lincurve FTW
[02:43:10] <skunksleep> The stepper drives seem to work ok.
[02:43:44] <Tom_itx> sleep time
[02:43:46] <skunksleep> Yah
[02:44:23] <pcw_home> 'nite
[02:46:05] <skunksleep> Seemed to pursue the machine around at 200ipm no problem. 20in/s^2
[02:46:30] <skunksleep> Heh *push
[02:48:22] <pcw_home> I think they are decent drives (Leadshines answer to the G540)
[02:53:20] <skunksleep> Right. Higher current and a few more bells and whistles.
[02:54:51] <pcw_home> Yeah
[02:57:36] <pcw_home> I'd be curious to see the machine when its not hush-hush
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[18:56:41] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tormach-pathpilot-/281962-tormach-cad.html
[19:00:46] <Tom_itx> it's generally good practice to put the T word before the M6
[19:00:56] <Tom_itx> even if it's on the same line
[19:01:21] <Tom_itx> M06 or M6 shouldn't matter on any control
[19:01:28] <Tom_itx> if it does, it's crap imo
[19:02:23] <skunkworks> it mattered with our 60's vintage control... M6 ment M60 ;)
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[19:05:22] <cradek> the HNC did not have rapids, so you had to program G01 F8000 (pretty sure it was F8000. it was a special number.)
[19:06:29] <cradek> the MDI was actually kind of cool, you turned a letter knob and it showed you on the (one) readout what was in each of those registers, and when you were happy with them all you would hit go
[19:07:06] <skunkworks> The K&T could only do a G2/3 of 9.9999 radius
[19:07:51] <skunkworks> (still don't know how it accomplished that...)
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[19:32:59] <cradek> and not across quadrants I bet
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[20:33:03] <cradek> there's nothing to get a mailing list to light up like a thread about whether mailing lists are better than forums
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[20:35:21] <andypugh> The forum was strangely subdued on the matter. Probably because it didn’t speen-feed them an easy answer
[20:35:37] <andypugh> I wonder if a speen is anything like a spoon?
[20:37:20] <cradek> spleen + spoon = speen
[20:37:38] <cradek> you're very right about the different ways people interact with MLs and forae
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[21:21:41] <seb_kuzminsky> it peeves me unfairly that the icons in Nick's "LinuxCNC Features" tab look different than the icons in the main Axis tab:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ZxQrjfAE0
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[21:21:55] <seb_kuzminsky> the functionality looks really neat, i should try to ignore my ocd
[21:22:30] <andypugh> I think that I like his icons more
[21:23:18] <andypugh> Though a better colour match wouldn’t have hurt.
[21:24:16] <andypugh> Oooh! Talking of colur matches:
http://www.e-paint.co.uk/testrgb.asp
[21:24:50] <andypugh> Let me find an RGB from a photo of my lathe and find that it is close to RAL 7031
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[21:28:51] <andypugh> I can’t help always thinking of Nick and Psha like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN-mC15tOHQ
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[21:34:41] <seb_kuzminsky> is that... is that oxidizer splashing on him?
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[21:36:59] <seb_kuzminsky> this i my mental model of all russians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR2xrECuGQE
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[21:40:28] <andypugh> We are allowed cannons in the UK, they count as shotguns :-)
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[21:52:38] <cradek> heh, he has AXIS in russian and Features in english
[21:55:08] <cradek> andypugh: s2r isn't in posemath, it's right in the kins file
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[22:23:44] <andypugh> Ooops!
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[22:49:22] <cradek> my mental model (only because I saw this earlier today):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtGX_7BsLBk
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[22:54:15] <seb_kuzminsky> crikey
[22:54:38] <seb_kuzminsky> sooo hard core
[22:58:53] <seb_kuzminsky> in most cases, contact with hazardous voltage results in death, all of what you will see is performed by real experts, that's why there is no need to worry about us
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[23:01:00] <seb_kuzminsky> you can send us your suggestions, and we will ride the whirlwind together
[23:01:07] <seb_kuzminsky> that dude is gold
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