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[00:47:26] <jepler> I didn't test it, but it seems like a good idea
[00:49:51] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: do you have enough tuits to think about getting us a jessie buildslave? There's now a preempt-rt kernel for it in debian backports, making it a very plausible choice for linuxcnc 2.7 for people with smart hardware
[00:51:47] <jepler> I suppose I should see if the package actually builds, RIP runs great
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[00:55:44] <skunkworks> exciting
[00:58:05] <jepler> still struggling with the live image builder
[00:58:11] <jepler> I tell it what kernel i want, and it goes and installs something else..
[01:00:53] <skunkworks> odd
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[01:10:52] <jepler> actually it seems it installs the right kernel but the wrong kernel modules / udebs...
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[01:50:17] <skunkworks> exit
[01:50:21] <skunkworks> heh
[01:52:02] <skunkworks> wkb
[01:52:10] <skunkworks> (wrong keyboard)
[01:59:44] <jepler> go north
[01:59:45] <jepler> open mailbox
[01:59:47] <jepler> take leaflet
[01:59:48] <jepler> go south
[02:08:01] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: it's been on my todo list since i saw your post about jessie-backports
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[02:12:03] * jepler kicks the live image builder
[02:12:05] <jepler> .. it is not behaving
[02:12:45] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yay, thank you
[02:12:48] <seb_kuzminsky> on the subject of buildslaves... is it time to turn off the hardy buildslaves?
[02:13:06] <seb_kuzminsky> they're only used for 2.5
[02:13:15] <jepler> are we shipping 2.7 on hardy or not?
[02:13:19] <seb_kuzminsky> should we make a final 2.5 release?
[02:13:30] <seb_kuzminsky> no, hardy has not been supported starting with 2.6
[02:13:49] <seb_kuzminsky> because of some build-dependency that hardy doesnt have
[02:13:51] <jepler> hardy is 8.04?
[02:13:53] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[02:14:03] <seb_kuzminsky> it was eol'd in 2013 iirc
[02:14:11] <seb_kuzminsky> or was it 2011?
[02:14:50] <seb_kuzminsky> hardy desktop eol 2011, server eol 2013
[02:14:52] <seb_kuzminsky> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[02:15:03] <jepler> seemingly there are 66 commits since 2.5.4
[02:16:54] <jepler> too bad we don't have phone-home information about who's using what versions
[02:17:03] <jepler> <1/tau wink>
[02:17:40] <seb_kuzminsky> 1/tau?
[02:17:54] <jepler> tau being the improved circle constant
[02:17:54] <seb_kuzminsky> the 2.5 curve is flattening out, but still going up:
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/~seb/billions-served/
[02:18:02] <seb_kuzminsky> 2pi
[02:18:31] <jepler> yes that's the one
[02:18:40] <jepler> hm 2.6 and 2.7 not on that list
[02:18:50] <seb_kuzminsky> oops!
[02:18:52] * seb_kuzminsky hacks
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[02:21:39] <jepler> I think the odds of actually making another 2.5 release are low; if someone is hit by a bug fixed in git but won't upgrade to 2.6, I'd suggest they use buildbot packages
[02:21:49] <jepler> there are some legit bugfixes in there, it's true
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[02:32:49] <seb_kuzminsky> added 2.6 & 2.7:
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/~seb/billions-served/
[02:36:45] <seb_kuzminsky> that plot only shows downloads of buildbot packages, not downloads of packages from the official repo at wlo
[02:44:19] <cradek> we could sure make a last 2.5 release
[02:44:41] <cradek> I think that's my job but seb might have to upload/sign the packages since he touched it last
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[03:23:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd be happy to deal with the 2.5 debian packages
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[03:24:30] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd be happy to then eol 2.5-on-hardy so i can turn off the hardy buildslaves and devote those resources to jessie
[03:24:51] <seb_kuzminsky> we can still ship 2.5 on lucid, precise, and wheezy (and jessie)
[03:29:59] <cradek> cool, let's do that then, but not right now
[03:31:11] <seb_kuzminsky> agreed on both counts
[03:31:29] <seb_kuzminsky> it's really mostly just work for you, when you push the tag i
[03:31:35] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll copy the packages around
[03:32:25] <cradek> git branch -a; git tag -l; git remote -v
[03:32:39] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: ok! I'll do it in the next few days
[03:32:50] <cradek> I agree that will be the last one.
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[03:36:43] <seb_kuzminsky> no rush
[03:36:58] <seb_kuzminsky> as the man said, In your own time, comrades...
[03:37:01] <seb_kuzminsky> :-)
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[15:02:06] <skunkworks> was there an easy way to get the latest rt-prempt on wheezy? the 4 soemthing?
[15:02:21] <skunkworks> last time I was building it
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[15:11:00] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 052.7 ee972cc 06linuxcnc 10debian/linuxcnc.files.in 10debian/rules.in debian/rules.in: make soft link for nc_files * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee972cc
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[15:36:46] <Roguish> skunkworks:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_installing_on_debian_wheezy_with_preempt_rt_kernel
[15:37:10] <Roguish> just did it last week.
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[15:47:27] <skunkworks> Roguish: thanks - I was just wondering if there was newer packages already made for rt_preempt and wheezy
[15:49:34] <mozmck> I don't think so.
[15:50:46] <pcw_home> I think jepler mentioned that a 4.x Preempt-RT kernel is now in the Debian backports repository
[15:51:19] <mozmck> for jessie anyhow...
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[15:58:12] <seb_kuzminsky> jessie-backports has an rt-preempt linux-image for linux 4.1
[15:59:11] <seb_kuzminsky> we don't yet build linuxcnc debs for that kernel, though i wonder if the wheezy uspace debs might work (except for the libgnomeprintui dependency)
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[16:03:55] <cradek> 15 20:35 <jepler> so scratch that: linuxcnc-uspace from wheezy debs on jessie doesn't work
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[16:05:30] <seb_kuzminsky> whoops
[16:06:30] <seb_kuzminsky> what was the problem?
[16:07:27] <cradek> 15 20:32 <jepler> the debian wheezy packages can be installed on a jessie system that was updated from wheezy, but some packages not available in jessie are pulled in in the process
[16:13:20] <seb_kuzminsky> is "15" the date?
[16:16:56] <skunkworks> pcw_home: what config would have for the 7i80 - 7i48+7i44
[16:17:26] <pcw_home> maybe svss6_6
[16:17:41] <pcw_home> (for a 7I80HD)
[16:18:12] <skunkworks> right thanks
[16:20:33] <skunkworks> pcw_home: 7i80hd_16_svss6_6.bit?
[16:21:16] <pcw_home> yeah (mesaflash --readhmid is probably in order just to verify)
[16:22:31] <pcw_home> there are some SVSS configs fro the 7I52 but I think they all have 7i52 in their names
[16:24:25] <skunkworks> pcw_home: after flashing.. ;)
http://pastebin.ca/3112221
[16:24:58] <skunkworks> wait - how does that work connecting the 7i44?
[16:25:07] <skunkworks> seems like it is on the fist port
[16:25:16] <skunkworks> first
[16:25:18] <pcw_home> oops thats a 7I52 config, so much for my naming theory
[16:25:47] <skunkworks> good thing it is easy to program.. ;)
[16:26:03] <pcw_home> maybe svss6_8
[16:27:16] <pcw_home> sorry, forgot the 7I44 was 8 channels
[16:27:50] <skunkworks> better :)
http://pastebin.ca/3112232
[16:28:15] <pcw_home> yep that looks right
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[16:31:18] <pcw_home> actually the Ethernet cards are the fastest to program
[16:35:16] <pcw_home> a good addition to mesaflash would be a test config option where a config is loaded in free space in the EEPROM
[16:35:17] <pcw_home> (theres room for 2 m ore configs on most cards) and a reload started from that area, so if it goes wrong
[16:35:19] <pcw_home> a power cycle will recover
[16:36:20] <pcw_home> does require some ICAP magic to start a FPGA reload from and arbitrary address
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[16:58:57] <skunkworks> is there something different I have to do to use opto-22 boards with the 7i80?
[16:59:22] <pcw_home> should not be
[16:59:42] <pcw_home> you do need open drain mode
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[17:13:04] <skunkworks_> pcw_home: I have the jumper set to send voltage down the line..
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[17:13:45] <skunkworks_> I measure 3.3v at the board.
[17:14:04] <skunkworks_> (after I set the jumper)
[17:19:29] <pcw_home> w6,7,8 up?
[17:23:13] <skunkworks_> do they all have to be set? I only set the middle port
[17:25:34] <pcw_home> well all of our daughtercards are 5V so theres not much reason for using 3.3V unless you need it
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[17:39:55] <skunkworks> ok - I do measure 5v at the
[17:40:01] <skunkworks> with all up.
[17:40:22] <skunkworks> I remember the ouputs would glow dimly without opendrain true
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[17:46:50] <skunkworks> ok - the numbering on the boards are revearsed i/o 44 is actually 3
[17:47:19] <skunkworks> yay a start
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[21:46:30] <skunkworks> ugh
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc-formerly-emc2-/260140-cnc-tormach.html#post1747790
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[22:06:59] <seb_kuzminsky> how's that song go? you can please some of the people, some of the time?
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[22:29:35] <zeeshan-mill> ive tried search for this answer with no luck
[22:29:52] <zeeshan-mill> parameters like MAX_ACCELERATION in the .ini -- is there anyway to set these through halcmd
[22:29:53] <zeeshan-mill> for testing purposes
[22:30:58] <andypugh> zeeshan-mill: No, they are motion parameters, which all happens before HAL.
[22:31:07] <zeeshan-mill> damn.
[22:31:18] <zeeshan-mill> i keep on having to close my linuxcnc
[22:31:24] <zeeshan-mill> and change the parameter in ini and restart :P
[22:31:35] <zeeshan-mill> i am using halscope , which is why im doing it like this
[22:39:35] <skunkworks> there is a branch iirc that exposed them as hal pins.. something dewey was working on..
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[22:57:51] <dgarr> zeeshan-mill: in 2.7 there are pins like ini.n.max_acceleration, ini.n.max_velocity (they are sampled when a program is _not_ running) you can set them in a halcmd terminal or use a simple gui named sim_pin
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/tools.html#_sim_pin
[22:58:35] <zeeshan-mill> Sweet!
[23:05:43] <dgarr> you can also make a sim_pin config and/or a halscope config and make them start up each time with ini file settings like [APPLICATIONS] APP = halscope -i settings.halscope and APP = sim_pin ini.0.max_acceleration ini.1.max_acceleration etc.
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html sec 2.9
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[23:18:48] <dgarr> ini pins and their limitation are described in milltask man page; www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/milltask.1.html
[23:22:04] <skunkworks> dgarr: wow - I didn't know it made in the main line
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[23:24:25] * zeeshan-mill needs to upgrade to 2.7
[23:24:35] <zeeshan-mill> great job making these changes
[23:24:40] <zeeshan-mill> this will help in tuning a lot.
[23:25:02] <dgarr> i guess the ini pins are in 2.6 too: git branch --contains e5858b2 says 2.6 and 2.7 you can see if they are in your version with $ halcmd show pin ini\*
[23:25:38] <zeeshan-mill> nope
[23:25:39] <zeeshan-mill> not there
[23:25:52] <zeeshan-mill> wait
[23:25:53] <zeeshan-mill> they are.
[23:25:54] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[23:26:09] <zeeshan-mill> thank you!!
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[23:27:58] <zeeshan-mill> man this speeds things so much.
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[23:44:12] <andypugh> Sorry, seems I gave bad advice.
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[23:58:20] <skunkworks> I do that all the time