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[00:38:01] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: this commit looks weird, I didn't look whether a later commit reverted it
[00:38:03] <jepler> Subject: [Emc-commit] 2.7: Create README.md
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[00:48:36] <jepler> ah OK
[00:48:36] <jepler> diff --git a/README.md b/src/hal/user_comps/huanyang-vfd/README.md
[00:48:37] <jepler> similarity index 100%
[00:48:37] <jepler> rename from README.md
[00:48:37] <jepler> rename to src/hal/user_comps/huanyang-vfd/README.md
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[01:35:29] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: git sure stinks at making renames obvious
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[02:14:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 05hy-vfd d4d282e 06linuxcnc 04. branch deleted * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4d282e
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[03:01:17] <pcw_home> jthornton: around?
[03:01:18] <pcw_home> Theres a weird out of place paragraph in the INI Configuration section of the docs
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[06:47:53] <seb_kuzminsky> is g10 a queue buster?
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[07:34:40] <seb_kuzminsky> the t0 tests occasionally fail because they send deliberately invalid MDI commands, and interpreter errors cause mdi_execute_queue.clear(), so if the test gets unlucky and its mdi commands end up queued after a bad command, they get dropped
[07:34:45] <seb_kuzminsky> https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/429/
[07:34:49] <seb_kuzminsky> gnite
[07:37:04] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.6/mdi-drop 273a21f 06linuxcnc 10tests/t0/nonrandom/sim.ini 10tests/t0/random-with-t0/sim.ini 10tests/t0/random-without-t0/sim.ini tests: increase debugging * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=273a21f
[07:37:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.6/mdi-drop 20f5b46 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/shcom.cc shcom: log sending of mdi commands * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=20f5b46
[07:37:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.6/mdi-drop a23ee1a 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/task/emctaskmain.cc add task debug logging * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a23ee1a
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[11:15:30] <jthornton> pcw_home, which one is weird?
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[12:39:36] <memleak> Hi all, I came across this new C library called musl and it seems to be even smaller and less overhead than uclibc: http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
[12:40:41] <memleak> It'd be interesting to compare latency results between glibc and musl "all code in musl has been designed for realtime-quality robustness"
[12:44:16] <memleak> it even directly uses the linux syscalls, glibc doesn't even do that, now i'm really curious
[13:01:24] <pcw_home> In the FERROR section:
[13:01:25] <pcw_home> "The following polarity values determine how inputs are interpreted and how outputs are applied. They can usually be set via trial-and-error since there are only two possibilities. The LinuxCNC Servo Axis Calibration utility program (in the AXIS interface menu Machine/Calibration and in TkLinuxCNC it is under Setting/Calibration) can be used to set these and more interactively and verify...
[13:01:27] <pcw_home> ...their results so that the proper values can be put in the INI file with a minimum of trouble."
[13:01:28] <pcw_home> Not sure where that belongs but not under FERROR
[13:01:30] <pcw_home>
[13:03:31] <pcw_home> (probably it apples to input_scale and output scale)
[13:03:46] <jthornton> Ok thanks, I'll fix it
[13:15:54] <pcw_home> Maybe mousepad should be added to the suggested EDITOR values (for Debian)
[13:23:02] <skunkworks> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/148360
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[13:27:23] <andypugh> Interesting, when Celeron is considered slightly overkill for LinuxCNC.
[13:36:03] <skunkworks> seems to be trying so hard to put up with crap
[13:39:19] <jepler> #define YES (0)
[13:39:20] <jepler> #define MAYBE (1)
[13:39:20] <jepler> #define NO (2)
[13:41:10] <jepler> the docstrings also have some very terribly motivated examples
[13:41:15] <jepler> uint8_t CheckPassword(const char* password)
[13:41:15] <jepler> {
[13:41:15] <jepler> size_t length = utf8len(password);
[13:41:15] <jepler> return (length == utf8len("hunter2"));
[13:41:15] <jepler> }
[13:56:00] <jepler> anyway as for the mdi queue vs abort behavior, we should decide what we would like to have happen in that case
[13:56:15] <jepler> and then see if we can make that happen
[13:57:02] <jepler> my initial inclination is that it is right for an abort due to a gcode error to flush pending MDIs, just like it stops executing a part program
[13:57:27] <jepler> .. when you are using MDI as a poor-man's drip feed, and T1M6 fails, you do NOT want to go ahead with the next motions!
[13:59:29] <jepler> but the multiple queues (in 2.7, we have one in task, one in nml, and for all I know a third one in some UIs) and unreliable reception of task errors by multiple UIs mean this is not trivial to implement
[14:23:41] <pcw_home> Interesting about Rong Fu using Linuxcnc
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[14:24:58] <ttiimm> RongFu post is from me :-)
[14:25:37] <pcw_home> I love that name
[14:26:19] <pcw_home> Like the "Good Luck" tire company
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[14:30:13] <ttiimm> What would it take to allow Classic Ladder to be able to send motion commands to an axis for example durng a tool change that needs the Z axis to move? From what I know it cant be done this way now and you need to write comps , subroutines etc... would the whole code have to to be re written??
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[14:44:03] <andypugh> ttiimm: I think that it would be a fair bit of work, CL communicates through the HAL layer and all the motion control is upstream of HAL.
[14:45:27] <skunkworks> but remap would work..
[14:45:49] <ttiimm> hi andy, this is actually sspeed33317 with the HAAS.
[14:45:50] <skunkworks> andy has done a cool demo demostrating it
[14:46:39] <ttiimm> I wish someone was close enough to me to come on over and help with me
[14:46:52] <pcw_home> It seems like it would simplify things if motion had offset inputs
[14:47:16] <ttiimm> anyone need a place to stay during a trip the states :-) Im in FLorida.
[14:48:08] <Tom_itx> seems alot of machines have toolchangers and that is one thing that hasn't been addressed that well
[14:49:15] <pcw_home> HAL --> offset inputs --> enable offsets --> TP
[14:49:23] <ttiimm> Seems like the ones that need axis movement have ben the most problematic
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[15:02:52] <skunkworks> ttiimm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfZwpjUs1xI
[15:03:44] <ttiimm> yep I have it on my computer already..
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[15:12:45] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i think you're right that mdi-as-dripfeed means the use might sometimes want to have post-failure mdi commands dropped, and notification of the error reliably delivered to the source of the dripping
[15:13:22] <seb_kuzminsky> i think for now it's easy to have the test wait for completion after each questionable gcode, before emitting the introspection mcodes
[15:18:42] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.6/mdi-drop 339e1a6 06linuxcnc 10tests/t0/shared-test.sh tests: avoid mdi queueing after gcodes that can fail * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=339e1a6
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[15:34:02] <pcw_home> skunkworks Not sure if its at all comparable but linuxcnc/axis on my 3 GHz C2D says about
[15:34:04] <pcw_home> 20% CPU usage with top (axis + rtapi_app) about 1/2 what mach4 is using (though I do have about 5% CPU for Ethernet interrupt at 3 KHz)
[15:38:13] <skunkworks> axis is using 95% right now for me..
[15:38:35] <skunkworks> but I also think top just shows 1 core usage..
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[15:38:48] <skunkworks> because the computer is still responsive
[15:38:48] <pcw_home> yeah I think so
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[15:40:53] <seb_kuzminsky> top shows everything happening on the machine, on all cores
[15:40:58] <linuxcnc-build> build #1488 of 1400.rip-wheezy-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1400.rip-wheezy-i386/builds/1488 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[15:41:14] <seb_kuzminsky> well that didnt work
[15:42:04] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, haha, i added some new introspection and forgot to add it to the expected-output file
[15:42:07] <seb_kuzminsky> derp
[15:42:14] <linuxcnc-build> build #3328 of 1300.rip-precise-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1300.rip-precise-i386/builds/3328 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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[15:43:34] <linuxcnc-build> build #3329 of 1200.rip-lucid-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1200.rip-lucid-i386/builds/3329 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[15:44:24] <pcw_home> And linuxcnc seems to run fine on much slower machines
[15:44:26] <pcw_home> the N2820 that didnt do well with mach4 is about the same speed as a J1800
[15:44:27] <pcw_home> (which is about twice as fast as a D525)
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[15:47:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.6/mdi-drop 305cd3d 06linuxcnc 10tests/t0/nonrandom/expected-gcode-output 10tests/t0/random-with-t0/expected-gcode-output 10tests/t0/random-without-t0/expected-gcode-output update expected output to match new test, derp derp * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=305cd3d
[15:48:06] <linuxcnc-build> build #3329 of 1202.rip-lucid-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1202.rip-lucid-amd64/builds/3329 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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[15:56:15] <skunkworks> http://imgur.com/90Oga4t
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[16:00:46] <linuxcnc-build> build #3339 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/3339 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[16:01:19] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: the "%CPU" value in top is the fraction of wall-clock time that the process was actually running on a cpu
[16:01:58] <seb_kuzminsky> if you have more than one cpu, you can get totals >100%
[16:02:32] <seb_kuzminsky> a multithreaded process can use more than 100% by itself
[16:02:39] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[16:40:29] <dgarr> pcw_home: a sim demo of a gui watchdog implementation (based on axis.ini, uses a py script for [DISPLAY]USER_COMMAND_FILE and a standard watchdog component): http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/gwatch.tar
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[16:56:20] <pcw_home> Thats great
[16:56:22] <pcw_home> Maybe emcPT could try it with his GUI hang issue
[16:56:23] <pcw_home> with a watchdog bite setting motion.enable false
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[17:23:10] <pcw_home> I'm not sure if his issue is that KB and mouse went away because of USB noise issues
[17:23:11] <pcw_home> or some GUI hang
[17:23:13] <pcw_home> A GUI hang during jogging would be very noticeable but a
[17:23:14] <pcw_home> a KB/mouse hang from servo /spindle noise might not be noticed
[17:23:16] <pcw_home> during operation since theres no user intervention. so I still suspect noise
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[20:19:40] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: what's branch mdi-drop do to the test duration?
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[22:48:55] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: it only waits after sending the G10 and G43 commands, all the M-codes are still queued
[22:49:04] <seb_kuzminsky> the time impact should be minimal, but i haven't measured it
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[22:59:08] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: With the recent fixes are we “go” for the carousel comp + demo? If so, do I need to do something, or will you merge the feature branch?
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[23:12:39] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: jepler fixed both the issues that your branch uncovered, right? if it runs clean now please merge it into 2.7
[23:12:52] <seb_kuzminsky> or i can do it if you prefer
[23:13:42] <andypugh> I think it is probably better if you do it, I would have to Google for the procedure
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