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[00:00:14] <andypugh> Looking at the two log-files I posted earlier, my surprise is that things were working at all before.
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[00:11:44] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: can you fix the graphics init warning noise?
[00:12:16] <jepler> fwiw I'm not convinced it's andypugh's fault
[00:12:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 052.6 301cc84 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/rs274ngc/rs274ngc_pre.cc interp: don't set an invalid sequence number * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=301cc84
[00:12:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 052.6 2793de8 06linuxcnc 10(8 files in 2 dirs) tests: test for the sequence_number problem * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2793de8
[00:12:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 052.7 e836d5e 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/rs274ngc/rs274ngc_pre.cc Merge branch '2.6' into 2.7 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e836d5e
[00:12:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master edb8ad1 06linuxcnc Merge branch '2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=edb8ad1
[00:12:22] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: I have no idea what is wrong.
[00:13:02] <andypugh> It’s two separate errors (that just look similar) and they don’t seem to correlate with my code.
[00:13:26] <jepler> oh the two errors are not the same?
[00:13:29] <jepler> I should read it again
[00:13:43] <andypugh> I thought that commenting out all my “color” lines fixed it, then they came back
[00:15:01] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: there's a test in 2.6-remap-bug, in the wrong place
[00:15:13] <seb_kuzminsky> oh i see you found it
[00:15:15] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[00:16:34] <jepler> good news everyone! on my system at home, I do reproduce the other error
[00:16:37] <jepler> File "/home/jepler/src/linuxcnc-2.6/lib/python/vismach.py", line 881, in apply
[00:16:40] <jepler> glMaterialfv(GL_FRONT_AND_BACK, GL_AMBIENT_AND_DIFFUSE, self.color)
[00:16:43] <jepler> error: (1282, 'invalid operation')
[00:16:56] <jepler> so I'll look into it too
[00:17:01] <jepler> at home I have intel graphics
[00:21:35] <andypugh> It’s not a helpful error message, it isn’t a documented error message, and there is no indication which program line is causing it. But assuming that a Vismach script runs linearly, it prints a tag print in every section of the Vismach assembly before it prints the error message. But I am aware that things might be going on in parallel.
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[00:59:03] <PCW> In regards to emcPTs issue with KB jogging is that any thing that aborts the jog if there's a USB error?
[00:59:19] <PCW> s/is that/is there/
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[01:03:49] <andypugh> When you think about it, Keyboard jogging is USB jogging. We should ban it..
[01:04:54] <PCW> I put this is my reply:
[01:04:55] <PCW> Continuous jogging any big machine via a non real time interface (especially one as flaky and prone to long recovery cycles as USB) seems iffy at best
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[01:24:12] <jepler> andypugh, skunkworks: please test with http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/0001-vismach-work-around-a-bug-in-mesa.patch -- we may be hitting a mesa bug in the STL code
[01:24:31] <jepler> few vismachs use stl meshes, which would explain why most or all of the others don't trigger the problem
[01:24:52] <jepler> according to an even older bug (bug reported fixed) the complexity of the geometry could also affect whether the bug showed up https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7984
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[01:30:34] <andypugh> jepler: Yes, that fixes it. Thanks hugely.
[01:30:52] <andypugh> I had been balming me, as other configs didn’t do it
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[01:31:58] <jepler> yay
[01:32:25] <jepler> thanks for finding us problems to fix. otherwise we'd be out of a job.
[01:32:42] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: another for 2.7? http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/0001-vismach-work-around-a-bug-in-mesa.patch works for andypugh
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[01:51:57] <jepler> busy day for pushing stuff to git.l.o
[01:55:04] <andypugh> It’s squashed all the bugs I knew of :-)
[01:57:24] <andypugh> Ah, except this one. I would not be at all surprised to find that today fixed this: http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/425/
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[02:14:30] <jepler> there's sure not enough information in that bug report to test whether it is fixed or not
[02:14:44] <jepler> unless I'm overlooking attached config files or something
[02:18:11] <andypugh> Well, it’s using the lathe-fanucy config, and that works for me, so whatever is different is in his config.
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[02:55:29] <linuxcnc-build> build #2685 of 4007.deb-precise-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4007.deb-precise-i386/builds/2685 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Robert W. Ellenberg <rwe24g@gmail.com>, John Thornton <bjt128@gmail.com>
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[03:26:25] <linuxcnc-build> build #3322 of 1300.rip-precise-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1300.rip-precise-i386/builds/3322 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
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[03:30:33] <cradek> oops that last one looks like it might be real
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[03:52:31] <linuxcnc-build> build #3323 of 1200.rip-lucid-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1200.rip-lucid-i386/builds/3323 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
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[04:27:22] <linuxcnc-build> build #3333 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/3333 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
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[13:19:01] <jepler> cradek: the difference is that "sequence number 3.000000" is not printed in random-without-t0 ?
[13:19:22] <jepler> .. on precise, only?
[13:20:12] <jepler> and on 2.6 branch only?
[13:51:46] <cradek> there's a later one missing a different one
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[14:13:42] <jepler> 57 test iterations on wheezy/uspace/vanilla and no failure
[14:13:51] <jepler> frustratingly, it's a ~1-minute test
[14:17:16] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 f21902a 06linuxcnc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/hy-vfd' into 2.7 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=f21902a
[14:17:49] <jepler> I'll look at it more this afternoon
[14:17:54] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yay
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[15:21:01] <pcw_home> Hmm I wouldn't jog a 25 M/M machine with a USB keyboard...
[15:24:07] <pcw_home> At least unless there was a working hal watchdog for USB interface aliveness
[15:24:48] <mozmck> Unfortunately, that's about the only reason option for most machines our customers build.
[15:24:54] <mozmck> reasonable
[15:25:30] <mozmck> and it has never been a problem in mach3 ;)
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[15:30:54] <mozmck> A wheel where you have to select the axis you want to jog would slow things down a good bit during setup.
[15:41:05] <pcw_home> A joystick might be better but a KB continuous jog can go bad if the USB system decides to to a hike in the middle of the jog
[15:42:36] <mozmck> That's true. I would tend to agree with emcPT though, that probably 95% of linuxcnc machines use keyboard jogging.
[15:43:08] <archivist> a lot of newer boxes are usb keyboard too
[15:43:28] <mozmck> I wonder how one could make a watchdog component? Almost seems like you would have to write a driver that sat under the keyboard driver?
[15:44:27] <mozmck> Or maybe there is a way to intercept traffic and watch it. I don't know if the USB traffic would actually stop in a case like this or not though?
[15:45:58] <pcw_home> seem like the low level USB driver would have some kind of connection status info
[15:46:04] <pcw_home> seems
[15:48:32] <mozmck> That may be. I'll put it on my list to look at.
[15:49:56] <pcw_home> Ha! the specification for maximum response time to setup packets is 5 seconds
[16:02:18] <jthornton> by golly I made them expand all... now contract all should be a piece of pie
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[16:40:33] <jepler> The message "sequence number 6.000000" is printed by the M100 script in tests/t0/subs/M100
[16:40:54] <jepler> so the test behavior says there's now some way that a M100 invocation can be lost
[16:41:54] <jepler> I should probably run this test in a system I'm artificially putting heavy loading on, as I did to finally get the smoking gun for the timed-out changing modes test...
[16:43:42] <jepler> > A fatal flaw in the system is that people can easily pose as real funeral directors
[16:45:52] <Tom_itx> jthornton, yay!
[16:53:13] <cradek> jepler: crap, that's not good
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[17:13:33] <cradek> emcSystemCmd: abandoning process %d, running ``%s''\n
[17:13:43] <cradek> jepler: if you turn on TASK_ISSUE debug you might get a diagnostic
[17:13:49] <cradek> there are several of them
[17:15:40] <pcw_home> Is there some way for HAL to know if the GUI is healthy, like a GUI heartbeat or some such?
[17:16:02] <cradek> nope
[17:18:36] <pcw_home> I noticed Axis exits if you close the controlling terminal but HAL cheerfully continues
[17:19:14] <cradek> AXIS exiting should cause all of linuxcnc to exit; that's the usual way to shut down
[17:20:45] <pcw_home> at least on my system (2.7 uspace under Ubuntu 14.04) that does not seem to be the case
[17:21:51] <cradek> are you sure AXIS is exiting?
[17:23:27] <pcw_home> not visible on screen or via top,ps
[17:24:29] <pcw_home> only piece left running is rtapi_app
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[17:27:23] <cradek> that doesn't seem right :-/
[17:27:59] <pcw_home> its entertaining
[17:28:01] <pcw_home> halcmd still works fine
[17:32:44] <cradek> jepler: stupidly, because they are errors, not debug messages
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[17:59:14] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I got the Expand All / Collapse All figured out
[18:03:40] <Tom_itx> yippee!
[18:03:52] <mozmck> pcw_home: 5 second max response time! But you shouldn't be getting setup packets - unless the device gets reset I guess?
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[18:05:24] <pcw_home> Right, but it can happen with a bad enough noise issue (re-enumeration)
[18:06:54] <mozmck> Yes, I see. I'm a bit familiar with noise issues.
[18:08:01] <mozmck> Thinking of that, do you know where I can get bulk usb cables with ferrites on them? I use printer type cables - A to B
[18:08:20] <jepler> cradek: hm ok
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[18:08:38] <jepler> on iteration 8 of the stressed system, I had 4 consecutive lines missing
[18:09:24] <jepler> so at least I can reproduce it..
[18:10:12] <jepler> turning on all debug and running again
[18:10:54] <pcw_home> Not off hand
[18:10:55] <pcw_home> We get our parallel cables from monoprice
[18:13:04] <pcw_home> I guess you could also use a big enough bead to slip over the B connector end
[18:13:17] <pcw_home> (of a standard cable)
[18:19:28] <pcw_home> or use a ADuM3160 :-)
[18:21:36] <jepler> nothing too informative in debug
[18:22:06] <jepler> reverting the sequence number fix and running the test again. I may not know what's going on yet, but I can find out whether I just introduced it
[18:22:22] <jepler> aaaannnddd with git revert 301cc84f8727cba3cca3323e04deb9dccaa261a8 it reproduced
[18:22:31] <cradek> amazing
[18:23:17] <cradek> the two commits were about sequence numbers. the new error is missing sequence number things. and ... it's a coincidence
[18:23:34] <cradek> I will never understand software
[18:23:56] <jepler> let me reset back to 2.6.8 and test again
[18:25:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 e3f81f8 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/index.tmpl Docs: add expand/collapse all button * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3f81f8
[18:26:08] <jepler> failures at 2.6.8 as well
[18:26:42] <jepler> test procedure: in one terminal, repeatedly 'make && make clean' a huge software project to generate lots of memory pressure & disk acces; in another terminal, repeatedly run the test in question
[18:26:51] <jepler> it probably helps to have a hard disk drive and not ssd
[18:26:51] <jepler> afk
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[19:02:19] <skunkworks> so are these errors poping up because the build bot is getting overloaded?
[19:04:24] <cradek> maybe, but they're still bugs
[19:12:31] <skunkworks> right
[19:13:12] <skunkworks> just seems more and more odd bugs are showing up related to timing
[19:15:52] <skunkworks> pcw_home: we order a lot of cables from monoprice. They are so inexspensive for what you get.
[19:17:11] <skunkworks> uh oh.. http://www.cnczone.com/forums/novakon-systems/278468-tormach.html
[19:21:29] <pcw_home> Yeah they are inexpensive but still good quality (we tore the parallel cables apart to check construction)
[19:28:32] <skunkworks> jepler: your patch fixed the visimach problem here also
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[19:33:11] <jepler> skunkworks: thanks for testing
[19:38:31] <pcw_home> multiple hm2_eth cards up for about a week no issues (I forget exactly when I started)
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[20:11:31] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: please push the vismach fix, thanks
[20:11:58] <seb_kuzminsky> the missing mdi output has been failing on 2.6 and later for a long time, though the frequency seems to have gone up lately
[20:12:11] <seb_kuzminsky> i can repro it here too, running the test in a constrained vm over and over
[20:19:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 e8ee08c 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/index.tmpl 10docs/src/index_es.tmpl Docs: add expand/collapse all button * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8ee08c
[20:19:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 8adceba 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/config/stepper.txt Docs: update to match current locations of sample files * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=8adceba
[20:19:06] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 e5ebed2 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/getting-started/running-linuxcnc.txt Docs: move anchor to correct place * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5ebed2
[20:19:24] <jthornton> the list is getting real short now
[20:22:16] <jepler> OK, I am starting to have a handle on the t0 test failure
[20:22:52] <jepler> I started from a position of not trusting linuxcncrsh, so I wrote my own using python linuxcnc module as the ui
[20:23:08] <jepler> first I just had it M100, 10000 times; it succeeded twice in a row in getting all 10000 lines of output
[20:23:44] <jepler> then I added 't1m6' to it. task repeatedly logs 'Requested tool 1 not found in the tool table' and only a few lines are logged to output
[20:24:29] <jepler> so I suspect that it has something to do with queued mdi behavior after an abort
[20:25:21] <seb_kuzminsky> sweet
[20:25:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i too have concluded it's task, not linuxcncrsh, that's misbehaving
[20:26:28] <jepler> iiuc we now have a queue between UI and task of NML commands that have been sent but not processed
[20:26:47] <jepler> so we have task talking to io to find out the result of whether the tool is there
[20:26:57] <jepler> in the meantime it can read some variable number of MDIs out of the NML command queue
[20:27:29] <jepler> when io says "no tool 1", task aborts (I'm assuming; I didn't look) and discards the MDIs it had read off the command queue, but not the ones that remain in the command queue
[20:27:54] <jepler> so the test needs to wait for the abort that follows a failed T-, if it is intentionally sending failing T- calls
[20:28:08] <jepler> or something
[20:28:30] <jepler> hm but 2.6 doesn't have the queue
[20:29:04] <seb_kuzminsky> 344 commits in 2.7 since 2.7.0~pre6
[20:29:06] <seb_kuzminsky> crikey
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[20:46:08] <jepler> that was april? another prerelease seems in order
[20:48:39] <seb_kuzminsky> yep
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[21:06:00] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 052.6 db71c5a 06linuxcnc 10lib/python/vismach.py vismach: work around a bug in mesa * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=db71c5a
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[21:19:45] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks jepler
[21:24:12] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: you around?
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[23:20:49] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: I'm around now
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[23:48:55] <andypugh> There were no taxis at the station when I returned from a day of machining in London. (Fixing the fire engine). So I walked the 2.5 miles home. It was harder work than normal, I just weighed my backpack and it was 32lb. A set of Burnerd EC collets. lathe tools and inserts.
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[23:58:32] <andypugh> Ah, wrong channel….