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[01:47:44] <andypugh> Is there an easy way to get the RTAI kernel for Precise? There does not seem to be an install script
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[01:58:07] <andypugh> I seem to have sorted it out. You need to not be looking at the buildbot if you want the kernel packages
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[03:57:02] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 052.7 4225001 06linuxcnc 10tcl/twopass.tcl twopass.tcl: use proc find_file_in_hallib_path * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4225001
[03:57:03] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 052.7 6362061 06linuxcnc 10scripts/linuxcnc.in linuxcnc.in: support absolute path for halfiles * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=6362061
[03:57:03] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 052.7 fd9fecd 06linuxcnc 10scripts/hal-histogram 10scripts/moveoff_gui scripts/moveoff_gui,hal-histogram: add note * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd9fecd
[03:57:04] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 052.7 b3948a3 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/config/ini-config.txt ini-config.txt:update for find_file_in_hallib_path * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3948a3
[03:57:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 052.7 7f36f40 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/config/moveoff.txt moveoff.txt: expand modifying an existing config * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f36f40
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[04:22:20] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_installing_on_ubuntu_precise
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[10:55:21] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 14baa55 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/remap/remap.txt Docs: more anchor and link fixing * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=14baa55
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[11:43:43] <linuxcnc-build_> build #2663 of 4006.deb-lucid-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4006.deb-lucid-rtai-i386/builds/2663 blamelist: John Thornton <bjt128@gmail.com>
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[13:57:52] <seb_kuzminsky> that failure is a buildbot deb archive manipulation bug :-/
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[15:47:01] <pcw_home> Tried 3 hm2_eth cards at 3 KHz on the h97, works fine, maybe 15 usec more servo thread time going from 2 to 3 cards
[15:47:03] <pcw_home> (which suggests that a 8 card limit might be ok except for somewhat unmanageable driver command line parameters )
[15:47:04] <pcw_home>
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[15:55:42] <skunkworks> wow - how much i/o could you possibly have? almost unlimted
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[15:58:45] <pcw_home> Yeah the 1G switch makes a good funnel
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[16:06:21] <pcw_home> Somewhat stunning to think that the wire time of a good sized motion packet (200 bytes is pretty big) is < 2 usec on the 1G link
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[16:18:28] <pcw_home> I still just have GPIO on the second and third cards so the overhead will increase somewhat when they are
[16:18:29] <pcw_home> more fully utilized, but by arranging the read-requests properly, theres a large amount of 100BT wire time
[16:18:31] <pcw_home> and 7IXX remote response time that can be overlapped so the per card overhead is reduced
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[19:04:33] <jepler> hm, I have one system where clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) runs in ~50ns, and a greater number of systems where it runs in ~600ns.
[19:04:58] <jepler> I wonder whether it's being old (ubuntu 8.04) or server-class (xeon but a few years old) is the reason
[19:05:09] <jepler> .. for the very, very fast outlier
[19:07:05] <jepler> I'm contemplating unconditionally using clock_gettime to provide rtapi_clocks in uspace. this is how ARM has always worked since uspace was implemented, since ARM doesn't have a standard timestamp counter
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[19:12:18] <pcw_home> you mean the overhead of the call is 600 ns?
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[19:13:56] <jepler> right
[19:14:40] <jepler> I wrote a program which calls clock_gettime repeatedly, until the time since the first call was >1s
[19:15:14] <jepler> so for instance one run of this program printed 1624521, which is 615ns average per call
[19:15:46] <pcw_home> thats rather expensive, does make you wonder whats different on the fast system
[19:16:03] <jepler> the program:
http://paste.ubuntu.com/11988497/
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[19:16:35] <jepler> I'm looking at this in part because I tried writing a program that prints the TSC rate. simple method: take tsc, sleep 1s, take tsc; print tsc difference
[19:17:09] <jepler> but on the system where I've been doing most of my work, the delta tsc varies by a factor of 2; the wall time of the run is always ~1.01s, so it's not that it's sleeping longer than expected
[19:17:34] <jepler> 545157063
[19:17:37] <jepler> 267950359
[19:17:41] <pcw_home> CPU clock speed modulation?
[19:17:56] <jepler> in 8 runs on that system, that's the highest and lowest delta-tsc that was printed
[19:18:28] <jepler> dmesg has this:
[19:18:28] <jepler> [ 4.600019] tsc: Refined TSC clocksource calibration: 3158.749 MHz
[19:18:33] <jepler> [ 14.662833] tsc: Marking TSC unstable due to TSC halts in idle
[19:19:03] <jepler> oh and I am running this pinned to a specific CPU so clockskew between CPUs does not explain it
[19:20:21] <jepler> cpu flags include constant_tsc but that's apparently a lie that linux figures out in 10s
[19:20:38] <jepler> cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
[19:20:38] <jepler> hpet
[19:21:11] <jepler> linuxcnc could look at this file and find out what linux is using
[19:21:22] <pcw_home> Is this your core2 Duo?
[19:21:36] <jepler> yes
[19:23:09] <pcw_home> I dont have any similar messages
[19:23:14] <jepler> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1325118
[19:26:04] <jepler> something linuxcnc does actually stabalizes the tsc
[19:26:13] <jepler> 3159003118
[19:26:16] <jepler> 3159139396
[19:26:28] <jepler> now 8 runs only varies this much, way under 1%
[19:27:13] <pcw_home> linuxcnc messes with cstates?
[19:27:19] <jepler> probably requesting lowest latency via /dev/cpu_dma_latency stops it changing power states
[19:29:15] <pcw_home> interesting that Ix CPUs have invariant TSCs
[19:30:18] <pcw_home> (sort of seems like they missed the basic idea of a time stamp counter the first time around)
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[19:31:40] <jepler> when rdtsc went into Pentium they didn't have power-saving states, CPU frequency scaling, multiple cores, all the stuff that makes it terrible
[19:31:56] <jepler> (well, they had smp which makes it terrible)
[19:33:11] <pcw_home> Yeah
[19:33:13] <pcw_home> I guess processor.max_cstate=1 is global
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[19:52:07] <jepler> but beingin the low cpu_dma_latency mode prevents the CPU from ramping *up* too
[19:52:26] <jepler> so that's why linuxcnc is usually but not 100% always stuck at 2GHz on this machine
[19:52:30] <jepler> .. I think
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[19:53:50] <pcw_home> Ahh thats not good, what about the processor.max_cstate=1 kernel config line option?
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[20:05:58] <jepler> apparently you can't set cpu frequency stuff at runtime with RT kernel --
http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-rt-users/msg12207.html
[20:06:19] <jepler> maybe just a bug but nobody seems to have figured it out at the time
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[20:18:35] <jepler> interesting! booting with processor.max_cstate does make rdtsc stable *and* it drops clock_gettime to 30ns
[20:18:46] <jepler> but CPU frequency still ends up at 2GHz
[20:19:06] <pcw_home> weird
[20:19:40] <pcw_home> can you disable cstates >1 in the BIOS?
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[21:18:06] <jepler> wow, what is this stuff?
http://www.adafruit.com/products/2660
[21:18:54] <jepler> tin led bismuth indium
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[21:27:34] <Tom_itx> couldn't be that healthy
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[21:31:19] <pcw_home> something like Woods metal but with Indium replacing the Cadmium
[21:31:46] <pcw_home> (so less toxic)
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[21:33:22] <pcw_home> add some Gallium and no need to heat
[21:34:17] <pcw_home> just dont get on any aluminum
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[21:46:42] <andypugh> The fact that the top-left “2.6 Live+Install Image” Link still goes to an email on Gmane seems a bit untidy to me. The “Download” link is a much better place to link to.
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[21:47:57] <andypugh> Separately: This is an interesting question and I can’t help feeling that the answer ought to be easy.
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/10-advanced-configuration/29466-absolute-encoders#61078
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[22:26:27] <pcw_home> Another homing mode input to motion? or just dont allow homing for absolute encoders ( drop them from the GUI)
[22:28:03] <andypugh> NO_FORCE_HOMING is close to what he needs.
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[23:31:45] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 cae58c0 06linuxcnc 10(15 files in 4 dirs) Docs: use same naming convention for anchors and links * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=cae58c0
[23:31:45] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 b9d901b 06linuxcnc 10(8 files) Docs: more work on anchors * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9d901b
[23:31:45] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 98287f3 06linuxcnc 10(7 files) Docs: more work on anchors * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=98287f3
[23:31:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 6252da9 06linuxcnc 10(11 files in 4 dirs) Docs: more work on anchors * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=6252da9
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[23:33:18] <jthornton> getting closer to finishing this
[23:33:47] <jthornton> seb_kuzminsky, I assume your waiting on a fix from Rob for 2.7.0?
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[23:38:31] <Tom_itx> jt, did you add the expandable menus?
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