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[00:00:23] <dgarr> jepler: seb_kuzminsky: i improved the patch to find halfiles using a hallib proc so it works the same with emccalib.tcl and xhc-hb04.tcl:
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/27jul15.mbox, earlier version is named 27jul15_obsolete.mbox
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[00:46:28] <jepler> dgarr: I agree with using a proc to find the real path
[00:47:22] <skunkworks> so - why when you run this -
http://pastebin.com/GJpsCA3W
[00:47:37] <skunkworks> the first thing it does is the G53 g0 x0 y0?
[00:47:46] * skunkworks is so confused
[00:52:06] <jepler> skunkworks: g53 g0 x0 y0 z0 seems like a pretty dubious thing to do, whether first thing or not, in some sort of canned cycle / feature generator
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[01:02:54] <skunkworks> it seems to do the g53 line then back though and does the threading
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[01:21:54] <jepler> OK, so "halconfig.tcl" is the one that has been broken 10 years. somebody should remove it
[01:23:11] <jepler> dgarr: verified your patch fixes calibration, and that "halconfig.tcl" is broken in 2.6 (and probably long before) so it doesn't matter if it's broken in 2.7 / master
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[01:36:31] <jepler> (that's the other place that looked like it was finding hal files from the inifile)
[01:38:38] <jepler> dgarr: thanks
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[01:47:01] <skunkworks> ok - never mind. it is the tool change position...
[01:47:23] <skunkworks> duh
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[11:27:33] <skunkworks_> this looks odd to say the least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCW1vRKl3AE
[11:29:09] <archivist> looks like he does not give it room and seemed to hit something
[11:29:41] <skunkworks_> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/40-subroutines-and-ngcgui/29451-rigid-tapping-fail-advice-and-qdiscriminantq-err?limitstart=0
[11:30:10] <skunkworks_> it almost seems like it pulls the spindle out for a second
[11:30:59] <archivist> it is pulled out the collet a bit
[11:31:43] <skunkworks_> I asked for the all his config files. almsost seems mis-configured.
[11:32:19] <archivist> and wrong type of tap for blind hole
[11:35:45] <archivist> I hate the latency in youtube videos, you lose detail
[11:37:15] <archivist> he should start further away to allow the spindle to get up to speed before the tap touches
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[12:30:09] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, the work pulls out of the collet
[12:30:25] <Tom_itx> err nm archivist figured it out first
[12:38:03] <skunkworks_> so - either missing steps or misconfigured..
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[13:07:23] <cradek> it'd be nice to see a plot of motion.spindle-pos vs Z pos over the whole cycle
[13:07:46] <cradek> both reversals look wrong to me
[13:10:07] <cradek> and the gcode, of course
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[13:18:51] <skunkworks_> zlog,
[13:18:52] <zlog> skunkworks_: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-07-28.html
[13:19:21] <skunkworks_> this is the gcode
[13:19:22] <skunkworks_> http://pastebin.com/GJpsCA3W
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[13:37:45] <cradek> looks fine, doesn't it
[13:39:12] <cradek> I bet the spindle feedback is bogus somehow
[13:39:42] <skunkworks_> he is going to post the configs later..
[13:39:46] <cradek> although I don't know what that error means - it might be a bug, I dunno
[13:40:09] <cradek> yeah the configs and a plot would be great
[13:40:19] <skunkworks_> rob thought that was a red hearing - that small of a discriminat error would not cause and issue.
[13:40:38] <skunkworks_> (and it doesn't happen all the time)
[13:40:47] <cradek> I thought for tapping it just switched to the old planner
[13:41:06] <skunkworks_> I think the error was for one of the pre-post movements.
[13:41:13] <cradek> aha
[13:41:42] <skunkworks_> (I could not get it to do it in sim - playing with the spindle mass.
[13:42:40] <cradek> yeah I don't trust his spindle encoder until I see a plot
[13:43:45] <skunkworks_> so a plot of spindle position vs z axis?
[13:44:19] <cradek> is it motion.spindle-revs? spindle-pos? the one right from the encoder
[13:44:30] <cradek> yeah vs Z position
[13:44:39] <archivist> or both :)
[13:44:53] <cradek> there's only one - I forget its name
[13:45:36] <skunkworks_> motion.spindle-revs
[13:45:45] <cradek> you're faster than me :-)
[13:45:57] <skunkworks_> google is awesome fast
[13:46:29] <archivist> cheat
[13:47:09] <cradek> 21 float IN 0 motion.spindle-revs <== spindle-pos
[13:47:15] <cradek> 21 float OUT 0 axis.2.motor-pos-cmd ==> Zpos
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[14:09:35] <skunkworks_> rob pushed some fixes to his branch. testing now.
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[15:33:20] <skunkworks_> dad had a 1hp motor burn up on the k&t.. may have been slightly undersize.. (but it has been running that way for years)
[15:33:35] <skunkworks_> he is replacing it with a 1.5hp motor
[15:34:05] <skunkworks_> (the whole machine originally ran on 1 25hp motor. Now it runs on 2 <5hp motors
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[15:39:04] <skunkworks_> omg... It is christmas
[15:43:25] <skunkworks_> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/mesanew.jpg
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[16:01:40] <jepler> skunkworks_: are you going to test those two 7i92s on the same computer?
[16:02:33] <jepler> if so, use branch (origin/)jepler/hm2-eth-startup for the latest fixes .. which I need to make sure are in shape for seb to review and get into 2.7.
[16:02:54] <skunkworks_> jepler, I can sure do some testing.
[16:05:27] <jepler> skunkworks_: you should use a gigabit hub if available
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[16:07:06] <skunkworks_> I also have a motherboard with 2 nics if that would help
[16:10:14] <skunkworks_> again - 2.7 is going to be awesome
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[16:11:14] <skunkworks_> So far the fixes rob put in are 99.9% there was a 3% overage in acceleration. (still better than the current tp... heh heh heh)
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[16:17:58] <jepler> > Project IceStorm aims to change that by reverse-engineering some Lattice FPGAs to produce an open-source toolchain, and today it passed a milestone. The J1 open-source CPU is building under IceStorm, and running on real hardware.
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[16:25:40] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i saw that, very cool
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[16:27:51] <jepler> website seems to be
http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/
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[16:42:10] <skunkworks_> I don't understand what that is.
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[16:44:04] <seb_kuzminsky> it's an open-source tool chain for building vhdl into fpga bitstreams
[16:44:27] <skunkworks_> huh
[16:44:27] <seb_kuzminsky> it was on HaD today:
http://hackaday.com/2015/07/28/open-source-fpga-toolchain-builds-cpu/
[16:45:13] <seb_kuzminsky> unfotunately their dev board only has a few pins brought out, and some of them would probably have to be used for a SPI port
[16:47:49] <skunkworks_> ah - so instead of using say xilinx's software - you could use some open source
[16:48:00] <skunkworks_> (if that was mapped)
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[16:51:40] <skunkworks_> jepler, your branch also does the iptables/disabling ip6 and such?
[16:52:10] <skunkworks_> hmm - almost looks like it does it in 2.7 already looking at the man page
[16:52:29] <skunkworks_> cool
[16:53:50] <skunkworks_> 2.7 says it only supports the 7i80 varients. Is that true? is the 7i92 supported?
[16:54:25] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks_: the iptables/ipv6 stuff went in to 2.7 already
[16:55:47] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks_: yep, micges added support for 7i92 almost a year ago
[16:56:46] <skunkworks_> did I mention 2.7 is going to be epic!?
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[16:57:51] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[16:58:10] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, it's going to be pretty sweet, if we ever get it released ;-)
[16:59:22] <mozmck> yeah, people should quit finding bugs!
[17:00:41] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[17:00:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i heard someone found the last bug the other day, i was relieved
[17:01:05] <mozmck> oh, yes, that's good ;)
[17:02:32] <skunkworks_> :)
[17:03:20] <skunkworks_> so far so good with robs fixes.. A violation popped up but I think it could be let passed..
[17:03:38] <mozmck> Or we could just do like some other software I've heard of, and just release bugs and all.
[17:04:06] <seb_kuzminsky> well we *do* have like 400 open bug reports on the SF tracker...
[17:04:14] <mozmck> Or just quit having releases - it's too much work. People can just compile master and install it.
[17:04:20] <skunkworks_> 300 in/s^2 peaked at 309...
[17:04:20] <seb_kuzminsky> haha
[17:05:15] <mozmck> Kicad did that for a while, and it has not helped anything :)
[17:05:33] <seb_kuzminsky> bet it helped the developers' sanity
[17:05:47] <seb_kuzminsky> or free time or something
[17:06:04] <mozmck> Well, until everyone starts complaining and wondering what's going on.
[17:06:29] <seb_kuzminsky> yep
[17:07:06] <mozmck> The next release will have major updates and usability gains.
[17:07:42] <seb_kuzminsky> i agree, the 2.7 branch has some really sweet stuff from lots of people, and it's going to be really good for our users
[17:07:57] <seb_kuzminsky> we'll finish polishing it up and get it out soon, i'm not really as depressed as i sound ;-)
[17:08:13] * seb_kuzminsky <-- complainer
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[17:11:47] <mozmck> :) I was being facetious - you didn't sound too depressed
[17:12:44] <mozmck> I rather like that we try and fix major bugs in a program that moves tons of machinery and sharp spinning things at high speeds.
[17:13:19] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, i like that pattern in our community as well
[17:13:25] <mozmck> Makes me glad the *other* software seems to focus mostly on 3d printers and desktop stuff :)
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[17:17:36] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess we can bask in the reflected light from this:
http://www.tormach.com/blog/6-things-we-didnt-expect-pathpilot/
[17:21:02] <mozmck> Nice!
[17:22:37] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, yay for happy users making things easily & reliably
[17:23:35] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, i wonder if that lathe rigid tap video is a case of a loose collet
[17:23:58] <Tom_itx> using the wrong tap would cause extra strain on the material grip
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[17:26:25] <cradek> a solid 4/6 of those are linuxcnc features, not pathpilot features
[17:29:28] <Tom_itx> Customers have been telling us about their lowered inhibitions to trying new operations, thanks to the responsiveness of PathPilot.
[17:29:43] <Tom_itx> i'd hate to own software i couldn't trust to do it's job
[17:31:18] <seb_kuzminsky> the responsiveness thing is a huge confidence-booster for cnc software, and that makes me hope norbert/niemand fixed
http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/427/ soon
[17:32:18] <mozmck> Not linuxcnc specific here: I just tried to change the IP to 10.10.10.1 for a computer in /etc/network/interfaces using the exact same config that has worked in several other computers, but this one tells me it couldn't configure the network and ifup says "Cannot find device "eth0"
[17:33:11] <Tom_itx> did you do a restart?
[17:33:21] <mozmck> any ideas why that might be? I have only the onboard network card, and it worked fine connected to the network getting an address via dhcp
[17:33:24] <mozmck> Yes
[17:33:45] <mozmck> That's when it told me it couldn't configure the network fully
[17:33:53] <Tom_itx> what's the hardware list show for eth?
[17:33:55] <seb_kuzminsky> "ifconfig -a" will list all the network interfaces, maybe it has a different name than the expected eth0
[17:34:10] <mozmck> oh, eht1
[17:34:13] <mozmck> eth1
[17:34:25] <mozmck> I ran ifconfig, didn't know about the -a option
[17:34:52] <seb_kuzminsky> ifconfig by default only shows interfaces in the "up" state
[17:35:18] <mozmck> That is a problem. I need to force the name to stay the same somehow. Can have the name changing if someone puts another network card in or changes something minor like that.
[17:35:28] <mozmck> Can't have it that is...
[17:35:37] <mozmck> I see, thanks!
[17:36:16] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: there's a mechanism to assign persistent names to interfaces based on their mac, instead of their hardware enumeration order
[17:36:32] <mozmck> I have seen something about that in the past - looking it up now.
[17:36:41] <seb_kuzminsky> look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[17:36:43] <seb_kuzminsky> if you're on wheezy
[17:37:05] <mozmck> Nope, wheezy is... too wheezy. I'm running Xubuntu 14.04
[17:37:24] <seb_kuzminsky> it might be similar? i dont know
[17:37:44] <mozmck> probably - I've seen that rule name before.
[17:38:06] <mozmck> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-rename-ethernet-devices-named-using-udev/
[17:38:31] <cradek> yeah it's a feature that the interface name sticks to the particular interface
[17:38:49] <mozmck> a missing feature?
[17:39:01] <cradek> to the *hardware*
[17:39:30] <cradek> if you want it to forget, just remove the lines from 70-persistent-net.rules
[17:40:21] <mozmck> Or install a new card, or change to a static IP apparently.
[17:40:46] <cradek> I must not being clear
[17:40:50] <cradek> the name sticks to the hardware address
[17:41:03] <cradek> if you change the hardware, you get a new name; if you put the old hardware back, you get the same name it had before
[17:41:16] <mozmck> But it did not just now for me.
[17:41:30] <cradek> say what you did again?
[17:42:02] <cradek> ok I read back
[17:42:22] <mozmck> Yeah, basically 3 lines in interfaces to make a static IP
[17:42:34] <cradek> this machine previously had a network card in it, that old card that is now gone got named eth0, and that's remembered in 70-persistent-net.rules
[17:42:53] <cradek> so the card that's in it now got named the next free name
[17:43:17] <mozmck> Ah, that could be.
[17:43:41] <cradek> so if you want it to forget the old eth0 card that's now gone, remove its line from that file
[17:43:43] <mozmck> I see two lines in 70-persistent-net.rules
[17:43:56] <cradek> yes one for the old card at eth0, one for the new card at eth1
[17:44:05] <cradek> remove them both and reboot and you'll get a new eth0 entry
[17:44:43] <cradek> haha: cradek> I must not being clear
[17:45:25] <mozmck> I just deleted the eth1 line and changed the other to match the card.
[17:45:59] <cradek> I've only ever deleted lines
[17:46:16] <mozmck> That looks better! Thanks for the help again.
[17:46:16] <cradek> that feature hurts me more than it helps me, but that's probably because I don't really use laptops/hotplug/etc
[17:46:20] <cradek> welcome
[17:47:00] <mozmck> Before they had that on debian I had the order change on me sometimes seemingly randomly, and it was a pain.
[17:47:09] <mozmck> I about forgot about those days :)
[17:47:28] <cradek> yeah that's what it's meant to avoid
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[17:54:57] <cradek> huh, now tormach has a smaller mill with 10krpm spindle
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[19:33:52] <skunkworks_> jepler, your branch loaded a 7i92+5i25
[19:33:55] <skunkworks_> so far
[19:33:57] <skunkworks_> :)
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[19:50:48] <skunkworks_> http://pastebin.com/bQy3rM0M
[19:51:24] <skunkworks_> that is if I do a Board_ip"10.10.10.10,192.168.1.121" (paraphrasing)
[19:51:40] <skunkworks_> I have the 2 cards hooked to 2 nics
[19:51:46] <skunkworks_> I can ping both
[19:52:41] <seb_kuzminsky> hm
[19:55:48] <seb_kuzminsky> do you know if it's the first or second board that fails?
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[19:56:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if hm2_eth is prepared to deal with two nics?
[19:59:01] <skunkworks_> i may not have the nic setup correctly
[19:59:02] <skunkworks_> hold on
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[20:00:13] <PCW> wonder if the iptables setup stuff works with two MACs
[20:00:47] <seb_kuzminsky> PCW: +1
[20:03:10] <skunkworks_> yah - I can load one - or the other. not both
[20:03:52] <skunkworks_> you only have 1 mac when hooked to a switch?
[20:05:01] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks_: you're on master, it doesn't have hm2-eth-multiple in it yet
[20:05:04] <seb_kuzminsky> go to 2.7
[20:05:10] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll merge it
[20:05:18] <PCW> thats what i have been testing MAC -->GE switch --> 2 cards
[20:05:39] <PCW> but yes 2.7
[20:06:07] <skunkworks_> seb_kuzminsky, I am on jepler (origin/)jepler/hm2-eth-startup
[20:06:33] <skunkworks_> which should have all that..
[20:06:43] <skunkworks_> if I understand it
[20:07:01] <PCW> dont think 2 MACS was tested
[20:07:57] <skunkworks_> going to have to wait until tomorrow.
[20:07:58] <skunkworks_> bbl
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[20:08:44] <seb_kuzminsky> huh
[20:08:57] <seb_kuzminsky> you're right, it does have the hm2-eth-multiple stuff in it
[20:09:18] <seb_kuzminsky> but your pasted output says 2.8.0~pre1, which is master
[20:09:26] <seb_kuzminsky> are you sure you're running the version you think you are?
[20:09:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm talking to myself
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[20:27:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master 77eb37d 06linuxcnc 10(6 files in 4 dirs) Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=77eb37d
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[20:39:52] <skunkworks> zlog
[20:39:52] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-07-28.html
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[20:41:33] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: when I do git branch - it shows jepler/hm2-eth-startup (asteric next to it)
[20:41:53] <skunkworks> I did a git checkout -b jepler/hm2-eth-startup
[20:42:27] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: something is wrong on your side i think
[20:42:42] <seb_kuzminsky> in that checkout dir, what does your /VERSION file say?
[20:42:46] <seb_kuzminsky> i bet 2.7.0~pre6
[20:43:06] <seb_kuzminsky> but in the text you pasted, it says you're running 2.8.0~pre1, which is master
[20:43:27] <skunkworks> I will have to check tomorrow
[20:43:42] <seb_kuzminsky> ok
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