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[01:19:35] <cradek> it's at dreamhost
[01:19:57] <cradek> although I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think any of us involved with it need or want contributions
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[03:34:43] <mozmck> If you want to disable soft limits, do you set the MIN_LIMIT and MAX_LIMIT to ridiculously large numbers - or both to zero?
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[03:54:03] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_axis__lt_num_gt_section
[03:54:06] <Tom_itx> doesn't really say
[03:54:44] <Tom_itx> seems you would set them past the hard limits
[03:56:32] <Tom_itx> or as you said, a ridiculously large number
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[11:49:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 5d5a02c 06linuxcnc 10(11 files in 7 dirs) Docs: fig links are no longer needed with asciidoc * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d5a02c
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[12:59:39] <jepler_> andypugh: one aspect of my code is that it is supposed to widen *any* smaller width to 64 bits. for instance, I think the position counter on pluto for an encoder was just 12 bits or something
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[15:31:31] <andypugh> jepler_: Ref converting to wider types. Ah, yes, that’s a more interesting puzzle.
[15:35:35] <andypugh> I did a variable-length version in smart-serial too (not reaslising that there was an existing version)
[15:35:36] <andypugh> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/sserial.c;h=c4ac675498548ea22e79035fa0b1a3f5b1a69044;hb=HEAD#l1444
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[15:39:36] <jepler_> nice
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[16:05:19] <andypugh> How does one build the docs?
[16:05:57] <andypugh> I guess that the “make” in “src” only compiles code in “src+”?
[16:12:15] <jepler> andypugh: you have to invoke configure differently to enable building docs, then the normal "make" or "make docs" in src/ builds them.
[16:12:38] <andypugh> I see how to turn docs off, and I guess I have
[16:16:45] <andypugh> OK, looks like I will be able to do it when asciidoc is installed
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[16:37:07] <andypugh> So, what I am doing is a manpage for Vismach. I am rather unsure where it belongs in the docs tree.
[16:38:06] <andypugh> At the moment I have tacked it on the end of GUIs. But really it is more along the lines of developer docs. Any thoughts?
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[17:10:30] <seb_kuzminsky> developer's manual, i think
[17:10:35] <seb_kuzminsky> you need to write code to use it, right?
[17:25:49] <cradek> by code you mean code other than gcode
[17:26:07] <cradek> (I think cnc users are programmers, whether they realize it or not)
[17:29:20] <archivist> except the pointy clicky cam users :)
[17:31:52] <Tom_itx> hey! i resemble that..
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[18:12:39] <cmorley> Would it be difficult to add 'hot codes' to make the extents calculation not include areas ( remapped tool probe)?
[18:12:50] <cmorley> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/21-axis/29454-manual-tool-change-again
[18:13:37] <cmorley> similar to AXIS hot codes to not display parts of the gcode program
[18:32:24] <cradek> ooh, that would be nice
[18:32:57] <cradek> wait, doesn't that already happen?
[18:34:09] <cradek> AXIS,hide and AXIS,show
[18:34:58] <cradek> argh, instead of one bottle of watch cleaner and one of rinse like I thought I had, I have two rinse and no cleaner
[18:35:31] <Tom_itx> ultrasonic cleaner?
[18:35:52] <cradek> yeah the ammonia stuff
[18:36:14] <cradek> L&R Ultrasonic something something
[18:36:26] <Tom_itx> i ran out so i've been using mild dish soap
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[18:36:46] <cradek> #111
[18:37:07] <cradek> it's magical stuff
[18:37:28] <cradek> http://www.amazon.com/Ammoniated-Watch-Cleaner-111/dp/B00K0L5KGI
[18:37:32] <cradek> hahaha $114
[18:37:43] <cradek> what the absolute
[18:38:17] <archivist> somewhat OTT on the price
[18:38:37] <cradek> yeah I'd expect $40ish
[18:39:59] <Tom_itx> http://www.stuller.com/products/54-4392/?groupId=23255
[18:40:22] <Tom_itx> there's the 40ish you were expecting
[18:40:39] <archivist> https://www.cousinsuk.com/product/lr-111-watch-cleaner
[18:40:43] <cradek> yeah, I'm checking jborel if I can ever get logged in
[18:41:35] <archivist> get off amazon, they have stopped being cheap, they think they have the world market now
[18:42:25] <andypugh> archivist: That watch cleaner isn’t being sold _by_ Amazon, just _on_ Amazon
[18:43:18] <archivist> yes but amazon profitability has suddenly jumped due to pricing policies
[18:43:49] <Tom_itx> theire broker fees have increased dramatically
[18:44:19] <andypugh> I was going to set up a Ner-a-Car spares shop on Amazon, but you can’t list anythign without a UAN
[18:45:33] <cradek> archivist: oh I didn't expect to buy it there. I was looking for a description/picture to show Tom_itx
[18:46:36] <archivist> they also have dynamic pricing, I have seen insane high prices on some old books
[18:47:43] * cradek tries spray glass cleaner
[18:48:09] <cradek> it's not a precious or precise clock :-)
[18:49:11] <archivist> actually safer on brass than ammoniated
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[18:50:19] <cradek> is ammonia bad? I've always used it
[18:50:21] <archivist> ammonia can facilitate stress corrosion cracking, so not recommended
[18:50:41] <archivist> everyone uses it :)
[18:51:03] <archivist> just dont let any museum types know
[18:51:29] <cradek> I thought the non-ammonia versions were because of smell, and I figured they wouldn't work very well (like lead-free solder), so I avoided them
[18:53:17] <archivist> I have some books on the subject, people stared really learning about it in the 1940's, although it was common in shell cases in the 1st world war
[18:53:25] <archivist> started
[18:54:11] <cradek> is cyanide safe (for the clock)?
[18:54:32] <Tom_itx> not for the clock maker
[18:54:34] <cradek> 20 years ago I worked with a jeweler who still used it
[18:54:46] <cradek> it works greeeaaaat
[18:55:15] <archivist> the effect is not unique to brass either
[18:56:13] <archivist> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_corrosion_cracking
[18:57:46] <archivist> "it fell apart in my hands" has actually happened to me when cleaning a thermometer
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[18:58:23] <cradek> eek
[18:59:58] <archivist> I tested some mercury with freshly stressed brass, took about an hour to crack
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[19:10:35] <cmorley> cradek: program extents are calculated are always calculated regardless of show and hide (as usually thats what you want)
[19:12:20] <cradek> oh, hmm
[19:13:09] <cmorley> I think the code is all in gcodemodule.cc but it's not commented well
[19:13:55] <cmorley> I'm also not sure that is actually all that user wants but it is an interesting problem
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[20:50:31] <cradek> now I can't tell if it's my sinuses or the whole house that smells like ammonia
[20:51:18] <skunksleep> Ewww
[20:51:23] <archivist> you can tell which if you get told off
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[21:09:55] <skunksleep> I like linuxcnc over emc2 as a lot of sites have 3 or 4 character minimums for searching
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[21:24:45] <andypugh> Hmm, Does the Vismach manpage belong in “User Interface Programming” ?
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[21:52:55] <JT-Shop> I'd think a separate man page
[21:55:13] <JT-Shop> I think your asking where does the Vismach docs go and I'd have to ask is vismach a user interface?
[21:55:26] <andypugh> I don’t know. That is what I am asking.
[21:55:38] <andypugh> Perhaps there are no docs because nobody knows where to put them>
[21:56:07] <JT-Shop> or no one that writes docs knows how it works
[21:56:26] <andypugh> So, where would you put it?
[21:56:32] <andypugh> (And how?)
[21:56:38] <JT-Shop> looking and thinking
[21:56:51] <andypugh> I have managed to get the asciidoc to create some HTML...
[21:57:09] <JT-Shop> I can put the txt file in and set up the build process for it
[21:57:43] <JT-Shop> is vismach something you use alongside Axis?
[21:57:50] <andypugh> I have done part of that
[21:58:02] <JT-Shop> adding the txt file?
[21:58:14] <JT-Shop> which branch?
[21:58:27] <andypugh> No branch
[21:58:34] <andypugh> (locally)
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[21:59:19] <JT-Shop> is vismach just a visual representation of the physical machine?
[22:00:11] <andypugh> There doesn’t becessarily have to be a physical machine
[22:00:17] <andypugh> (necesarily)
[22:01:08] <JT-Shop> I'd say right this second that User Interfaces would be the logical place to put Vismach
[22:01:27] <JT-Shop> I'd be happy to set that up in 2.7 if you like
[22:02:03] <andypugh> Seb thought that as you need to write code to use it, that it should be in Develper...
[22:02:38] <andypugh> And I am thinking it might belong in User Interface Programming..
[22:02:55] <JT-Shop> or Advanced Topics
[22:03:35] <JT-Shop> I'd agree that User Interface Programming sounds logical now that you mention it needs to be programmed
[22:05:01] <andypugh> Currently I seem to have a few formatting problems, a bulleted list isn’t working, and a link to an external section is trying to link externally
[22:05:08] <JT-Shop> And how? add the txt file with a level one title, edit the submakefile and add the topic, edit the index.tmpl and add the topic
[22:05:45] <andypugh> Aha! index.tmpl is probably the required magic
[22:05:49] <JT-Shop> blank lines seem to be important to asciidoc
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[22:06:24] <Tom_itx> asciidoc is a funny little creature
[22:06:36] <JT-Shop> no as funny as latex
[22:06:38] <JT-Shop> not
[22:07:19] <Tom_itx> may attempt to work on the control this evening. first time i've felt well enough to do so in quite a while
[22:07:30] <JT-Shop> if you like I can add a blank file to 2.7 so you can see all that I do
[22:08:27] <andypugh> I think I am nearly there
[22:08:34] <JT-Shop> ok
[22:11:20] <andypugh> I wonder if I should push it for fine-tuning, and if so, where to?
[22:11:34] <JT-Shop> 2.7
[22:11:46] <JT-Shop> it's not new right, just lacking docs?
[22:12:04] <andypugh> Indeed
[22:12:18] <JT-Shop> I'm fine tuning the 2.7 docs now
[22:21:55] <JT-Shop> btw, in case you missed the discussion the other day we have adopted the naming convention of file-name.txt for files and cha:widget-builder or sec:widget-section for anchors
[22:22:57] <JT-Shop> dunno if those were good examples or not...
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[22:48:54] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Do you know of an example of an out-of-file link anywhere?
[22:49:58] <JT-Shop> what branch are you working with?
[22:50:34] <andypugh> Accidentally, andypugh/carousel_demo…
[22:50:50] <JT-Shop> what branch is that based on?
[22:51:12] <JT-Shop> oh did you add the file to master_documents.txt?
[22:51:18] <JT-Shop> if 2.7
[22:52:52] <andypugh> I think I did.
[22:53:20] <andypugh> It seems to be being built, but a link to an external section isn’t
[22:53:27] <JT-Shop> info about formating and links in ~docs/asciidoc-markup.txt
[22:53:43] <andypugh> Sorry, the link is there, it just doesn’t link
[22:53:53] <JT-Shop> external= not in same txt file?
[22:54:10] <andypugh> not even in the same folder
[22:54:26] <JT-Shop> so long as it is in the same pdf the links will work
[22:54:42] <JT-Shop> the main reason for combining the user and integrator manual
[22:55:18] <andypugh> I haven’t even looked a the PDF version yet.
[22:55:52] <JT-Shop> the file needs to be in Master_Documentation.txt
[22:56:18] <andypugh> It is. The file I want to link to is halmodule
[22:56:51] <andypugh> So, rather than explain how to create HAL pins in a python script, I want to link to the userpsace python manual pages
[22:56:55] <JT-Shop> should not be a problem halmodule is in there too
[22:57:09] <JT-Shop> you can't link to a man page
[22:57:38] <JT-Shop> hal/halmodule.txt is in the manual
[22:57:44] <JT-Shop> so you can link to that
[22:58:18] <JT-Shop> lol as soon as I put an anchor in halmodule.txt
[22:59:21] <JT-Shop> yes, it is best to only explain something in one place otherwise you have update issues
[23:01:14] <andypugh> Well, at the moment the html version tries to link to “#halmodule on this page” and the pdf version links to the title page. More faffing about needed, I guess
[23:01:54] <JT-Shop> can you create a branch and push it? I'll look at what your doing
[23:04:58] <andypugh> I am sure it isn’t difficult, I just need an example to copy
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[23:08:05] <JT-Shop> examples in docs/asciidoc-markup.txt
[23:10:16] <andypugh> I meant actual working examples.
[23:11:29] <andypugh> asciidoc-markup just says <<anchor, text>> with no indication how to format the anchor
[23:11:29] <JT-Shop> the docs are full of them, search for cha: with grep -irl 'cha:' *
[23:11:39] <JT-Shop> but that may break because of the :
[23:12:00] <JT-Shop> [[anchor]]
[23:12:07] <JT-Shop> the actual anchor
[23:12:19] <JT-Shop> <<anchor,caption>> the link to the anchor
[23:12:59] <JT-Shop> [[cha:stepgen]] <<cha:stepgen, The Stepgen Chapter>>
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[23:13:07] <JT-Shop> an anchor then the link to the anchor
[23:15:29] <JT-Shop> in the docs/src do grep -irl '<<cha:' * and it will list all the files that have a link to another file
[23:15:57] <andypugh> Yes, I have looked, and mine looks just like them, but doesn’t work like them
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[23:17:10] <JT-Shop> does your link point to an actual anchor?
[23:17:34] <JT-Shop> what is the link?
[23:17:43] <andypugh> I might just push the thing anyway. A document with broken links is probably better than no document.
[23:17:59] <JT-Shop> what is the broken link?
[23:18:14] <andypugh> To me an “actual anchor” is a lump of metal that mainly (but not always) lives on a boat.
[23:18:34] <JT-Shop> I agree
[23:18:45] <JT-Shop> but in our case, what is the broken link?
[23:19:57] <andypugh> Sorry. I am becoming increasingly testy because there is something very wrong with my computer. Every time I try to do anything in the source editor I get 5 seconds of spinning beachball.
[23:20:04] <JT-Shop> there is virtual anchors but they are troublesome
[23:20:24] <JT-Shop> ouch and it is well into tomorrow for you too
[23:20:37] <andypugh> I have <<cha:halmodule, Creating Userpace Components in Python>>
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[23:23:35] <JT-Shop> the fix is:
http://pastebin.com/PQdG8wkV
[23:24:45] <andypugh> OK, trying it
[23:25:31] <JT-Shop> all of my remaining anchors live on the shelf of the garage as I'm out of boats of any kind
[23:26:56] <andypugh> So, you have literal boat anchors that are figurative “boat anchors”
[23:27:14] <JT-Shop> aye
[23:29:33] <JT-Shop> I even have a giant ship bollard in the yard
[23:30:49] <andypugh> Could be handy of sea levels rise
[23:30:55] <andypugh> (if)
[23:31:12] <JT-Shop> I'm pretty much above the high water mark
[23:31:38] <JT-Shop> you waiting for the build to complete?
[23:32:24] <andypugh> It completed. I am trying to work out if the anchor can be at the top of the page, not at the first sub-chapter heading.
[23:33:06] <JT-Shop> IIRC the anchor does need to be on a line by itself
[23:34:27] <JT-Shop> so at the end of make you get "all links ok" or similar?
[23:35:02] <Tom_itx> do these build with a regular make of the 2.7 branch?
[23:35:28] <Tom_itx> or do the docs have a separate make
[23:37:15] <JT-Shop> you need to .configure the build of docs
[23:38:09] <Tom_itx> not sure i follow
[23:38:13] <Tom_itx> i checkout 2.7
[23:38:18] <Tom_itx> then ./configure
[23:38:24] <Tom_itx> then make clean
[23:38:25] <Tom_itx> then make
[23:38:26] <Tom_itx> iirc
[23:38:36] <JT-Shop> need more on ./configure hold on
[23:38:55] <Tom_itx> i'm not on that box atm
[23:39:03] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Building_the_documents_along_with_LinuxCNC
[23:39:46] <Tom_itx> so it doesn't build by default
[23:39:51] <Tom_itx> just the lcnc code
[23:39:52] <JT-Shop> no
[23:40:28] <JT-Shop> er yes to lcnc code no to docs
[23:40:37] <Tom_itx> gotcha
[23:42:39] * JT-Shop wonders if Andy is a document guru now?
[23:44:10] <Tom_itx> does that sample ascidoc file show all the markups you are using or is it just a basic example?
[23:44:43] <JT-Shop> pretty much shows all I'm using
[23:45:37] <Tom_itx> they've gotten much better over the years
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[23:45:47] <JT-Shop> who is that?
[23:45:53] <Tom_itx> the docs
[23:46:01] <JT-Shop> thanks
[23:46:26] <Tom_itx> i think i like the expanded links over the collapsed ones... i find it harder to locate things i'm looking for
[23:46:36] <JT-Shop> I remember when I first started they had so much duplication it drove me nuts and I drove alex_joni nuts
[23:46:36] <Tom_itx> not sure what general topic to look under
[23:46:45] <Tom_itx> i remember that
[23:47:22] <JT-Shop> would hover over text showing a description help?
[23:47:35] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure
[23:48:08] <Tom_itx> is there a way to default them to expanded?
[23:48:10] <JT-Shop> open Configuration Wizards and hover over the choices
[23:48:21] <Tom_itx> i looked at your example already
[23:48:35] <JT-Shop> I'm pretty sure I can add a expand all button
[23:48:57] <Tom_itx> as a choice at the top would really be handy for me
[23:49:04] <Tom_itx> expand/collapse
[23:49:41] <Tom_itx> i like the layout
[23:49:49] <JT-Shop> I did that once when first testing the expand so I'll add it back
[23:49:54] <Tom_itx> just sometimes have trouble figuring what section it's in
[23:51:04] <Tom_itx> you can't please everybody.... just please me :D
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[23:51:30] <JT-Shop> YEA! I'll look at that in the am
[23:51:48] <Tom_itx> slowly working on the control a bit..
[23:52:12] <JT-Shop> thanks andypugh
[23:52:13] <Tom_itx> pinched nerve at C6-C7 has had me for a couple weeks
[23:52:20] <JT-Shop> ouch
[23:52:30] <Tom_itx> left arm pain like crazy
[23:53:09] <Tom_itx> took off last week
[23:53:15] <Tom_itx> err week before last
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[23:58:26] <JT-Shop> time to turn on the magnet ass switch
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