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[00:00:22] <andypugh> I need to re-install from the recovery partition and restore from backup. All blessedly painless and automatic, but time-consuming
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[00:05:03] <andypugh> Oh for crying out loud.
[00:05:41] <andypugh> That freedos link gets you a .img file, which the startup disk creator doesn’t see.
[00:06:04] <andypugh> (and the Mac says “invalid parameter” whatever that means
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[00:13:29] <PCW> probably just want dd or the equivalent since its a physical image
[00:14:12] <Tom_itx> https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[00:14:16] <andypugh> The instructions say otherwise…
[00:14:20] <Tom_itx> i used that to make a DOS bootable thumb drive
[00:14:30] <Tom_itx> maybe you can put your bios on a DOS disk like that
[00:14:42] <andypugh> PCW:
http://www.chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/howto/
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[00:15:08] <jepler> hm so far the dragonboard's builtin wlan seems to be a bit flaky
[00:15:13] <andypugh> Not exactly a simple process :-(
[00:15:53] <PCW> none of that is needed with the image
[00:16:52] <andypugh> So why is that process linked from the image download page?
[00:16:57] <PCW> just this
[00:16:59] <PCW> dd if=FreeDOS-1.1-memstick-2-256MB.img of=/dev/sdz bs=512k
[00:17:18] <PCW> (after unzipping the image file)
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[00:19:05] <PCW> they explain the process of making the image (but you dont need to do that)
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[00:30:54] <andypugh> so, booting from FreeDOS..
[00:31:16] <andypugh> “Press enter to boot Freedos” just reboots to the same screen
[00:31:41] <andypugh> memtest, gets to a blue screen of stuff, then reboots
[00:31:50] <andypugh> fdos - just reboots
[00:32:00] <andypugh> odin - Aha! A command line.
[00:32:24] <andypugh> Autoexec.bat ……. J1800 BIOS F3 ….. BIOS ID MIsmatch…
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[00:32:50] <andypugh> Perhaps I can return the MB?
[00:34:51] <PCW> I just remember the F1 BIOS was really broken and F2 fixed most things
[00:34:52] <PCW> So free DOS will boot to a prompt?
[00:36:19] <PCW> if memtest will not run that's not terribly promising
[00:36:20] <andypugh> Not really. Syslinux boots to a prompt. Only FreeDOS won’t boot, but the Odin floppy-image will boot to a command line.
[00:37:06] <andypugh> How can they release a BIOS that broken? Do they not do any testing at all?
[00:37:45] <andypugh> But the BIOS flashing Utility gives a “BIOS ID Mismoatch” error...
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[00:38:12] <cradek> jeez
[00:38:16] <PCW> yuck
[00:39:09] <PCW> updating just worked for me.... sigh
[00:39:27] <Tom_itx> what bios ver do each of you have?
[00:39:58] <PCW> I have F2 (started at F1)
[00:41:44] <cradek> can't believe they just go on selling something so totally broken, instead of pulling and replacing them
[00:42:05] <PCW> it will boot win8.1
[00:42:06] <cradek> it's like they didn't even try it
[00:42:20] <cradek> ohh
[00:43:03] <cradek> so it's only everything except uefi-dvd-boot that's broken?
[00:43:14] <PCW> it has to be old stock because F2 came out quite while ago
[00:43:25] <andypugh> It feels like yoiu should be able to run the BIOS flasher from the EFI prompt.
[00:43:49] <andypugh> (the EFI prompt is also hopeless, the help screens scroll right off the top of the display)
[00:44:27] <jepler> dragonboard gets a new mac address every boot, no known fix at this time
https://www.96boards.org/forums/topic/wireless-issue/
[00:44:38] <jepler> linuxcnc configure runs out of ram if you don't create a swapfile
[00:44:39] <cradek> wtf
[00:44:46] <andypugh> A new _MAC_ address?
[00:45:04] <jepler> yes
[00:45:19] <andypugh> I thought that MAC addresses were fixed to hardware
[00:45:24] <cradek> well that'll quickly eat up your dhcps
[00:45:32] <andypugh> (give or take MAC spoofing)
[00:45:36] <PCW> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128688
[00:45:38] <PCW> if you look at the first review it has step/step bios upgrade instructions
[00:46:15] <jepler> [ 69.576347] wcn36xx wcn36xx: Failed (-11) to read macaddress file wlan/macaddr0, using a random address instead
[00:46:18] <jepler> [ 69.577141] wcn36xx: mac address: 00:0a:f5:50:df:25
[00:47:28] <jepler> and this causes it to (A) not have a nic for ~70 seconds after booting and (B) not automatically configure, so you have to interact at the console to get on the network so it's (C) going to be useless as a headless machine
[00:48:51] <PCW> they could not allocate $ .0000001 worth of flash or EEPROM for a MAC address?
[00:49:36] <jepler> andypugh: there is a range set aside for use as "random MACs". this is what most virtualization systems use these days, aiui, except the random address is also fixed for the lifetime of the vm
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[00:53:29] <jepler> hmph, except this randomly generated address is not in the "locally administered" range as I expected.
http://serverfault.com/questions/40712/what-range-of-mac-addresses-can-i-safely-use-for-my-virtual-machines
[00:54:20] <andypugh> PCW: I wonder if the chap who wrote those update instructions tried every possible combination of UEFI / Legacy in CSM setttings? It reads that way.
[00:55:10] <andypugh> (for fun, the rest of you might want to read that newegg link, it’s amazingly arcane)
[00:55:44] <cradek> oh and keep trying keyboards until you find one that happens to work with the original bios
[01:01:25] <andypugh> Luckily I have a PS2 keyboard that only needs some keys pressing twice to work
[01:01:47] <cradek> they probably didn't test ps2 keyboard support either
[01:02:41] <andypugh> Anyway, those instructions don’t work with FreeDOS, as it doesn’t boot far enough to find the autoexec.bat on C:. I can only boot to A: then cd to C:. and then it is too late.
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[01:03:46] <andypugh> So, it looks like I need to download a pirated HP tool, a pirated version of Win98….
[01:05:24] <andypugh> Anyway, it’s 2am and I am stopping. I stopped on the way out of the workshop and seriously considered pulling the MB out of the machine and seeing how far into the woods I can throw it. I think if I go through another iteration I will end up actually doing it.
[01:06:48] <cradek> g'night andypugh
[01:07:50] <cradek> iirc, an autoexec on A: will be executed too
[01:08:17] <andypugh> cradek: But how do I put an autoexec on an A: that doesn’t really exist?
[01:08:48] <andypugh> The A: in question is a disk image on the USB stick
[01:09:15] <andypugh> Anyway, I have hit the “return item” button and will print the label tomorrow.
[01:09:31] <cradek> yay, I guess
[01:09:59] <andypugh> Can anyone suggest a mini-itx motherboard with a full-size PCI slot that does actually work?
[01:10:08] <cradek> if you were nearby I'd bring you a working (pre-uefi) pc
[01:10:42] <andypugh> It needs to be a Mini-ITX board to fit into my control cabinet.
[01:11:13] <cradek> I can't recommend. I know nothing.
[01:11:51] <andypugh> I still don’t actually know that the motherboard was the problem. It might be something wrong with the 5i23, and all this might have been a total waste of time, but I didn’t get far enough to find out even.
[01:12:43] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i got this one on PCW's recomendation but haven't tried it as of yet:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157497&cm_re=asrock_Q1900B_itx-_-13-157-497-_-Product
[01:12:55] <Tom_itx> i have that one and the full size version
[01:13:18] <andypugh> PCI-e though….
[01:13:39] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[01:13:40] <jepler> so the compile problem so far is <sys/io.h> doesn't exist on aarch64, which leads to various problems.
[01:13:46] <jepler> in retrospect I'm surprised that 32-bit arm has it
[01:13:47] <Tom_itx> a tiny bit wider than the other one
[01:13:56] <Tom_itx> (2 slots wider)
[01:14:07] <Tom_itx> other than that they're the same
[01:14:31] <Tom_itx> it may fit in your box
[01:14:51] <andypugh> No, the box is very definitely mini-ITX.
[01:14:57] <Tom_itx> ok
[01:15:30] <Tom_itx> i still plan to test them eventually.
[01:15:44] <Tom_itx> still waiting on a mesa board to fix my control
[01:17:08] <Tom_itx> i booted one from my previous 10.04 install but didn't do alot with it
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[01:47:25] <jepler> and now odd compiler errors
[01:47:41] <jepler> relocation truncated to fi: R_AARH64_LD64_GOT_LO12_NC against `loop'
[01:52:23] <jepler> ... aaannd most or all runtests fail
[01:52:31] <jepler> "unhandled level 0 translation fault"
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[01:56:59] <jepler> .. and that's enough for one night
[01:58:05] <jepler> well here's the cause of the one thing:
https://www.sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2014-07/msg00155.html (we do exactly that thing)
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[13:53:12] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
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