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[00:34:08] <kwallace> After scoping the first one, I thought it might be broken. The A and B pulses are very similar with shorter High periods and offset by very little. I scoped the other two and got the same thing. I suspect they want some dead time while on a mark and have the pulses within the between marks time.
[00:35:12] <kwallace> A ____|--|____
[00:35:30] <kwallace> B ___|--|_____
[00:36:06] <kwallace> I expected a 50% duty.
[00:38:45] <Tom_itx> i would have too
[00:39:13] <Tom_itx> with 90 deg phase shift
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[00:49:33] <cradek> I'm not too surprised they want to positively go one full cycle per detent, and be on a predictable phase when on any detent
[00:50:29] <Tom_itx> my chinese MPG is like that but it's got 50% duty pulses
[00:50:30] <cradek> the detents might be influencing the way the dial actually turns, too, if you're turning it by hand
[00:50:56] <Tom_itx> it has some effect on it
[00:52:13] <Tom_itx> cradek were you looking for an MPG a while back?
[00:53:19] <cradek> possibly, but I'm happy enough with what I rigged up
[00:53:52] <Tom_itx> the ones sold for around 60 bux you can find on ebay for $17... same MPG
[00:54:08] <Tom_itx> i had to replace one and tried the cheap route..
[00:54:13] <Tom_itx> was the exact same MPG
[00:54:42] <cradek> that's good to know
[00:55:03] <Tom_itx> i was hesitant at first
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[01:06:18] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100PPR-6-Terminal-Eletronic-Hand-Wheel-Manual-Pulse-Encoder-Generator-CNC-Lathe/251710166569?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D31482%26meid%3Dee3ccb7afc294f559aeddc188c1e6381%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D251710166569
[01:06:22] <Tom_itx> that's one i got
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[01:12:46] <kwallace> Those are a little small for my taste, 3.5" dia would be better for me.
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[01:14:05] <Tom_itx> they make a bigger one
[01:14:15] <Tom_itx> i didn't want it for my pendant
[01:14:33] <Tom_itx> 60 & 80mm diameter iirc
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[07:28:10] <nojepler> 15:16:39 <mozmck> what do the d's on the end mean?
[07:28:38] <nojepler> that's a C++ "mangled symbol". It includes information about the type of each argument. "d" is an a double-type argument, I think.
[07:29:12] <nojepler> the dpkg-shilibdeps warnings are just noise, I've never taken the time to figure out how to silence them.
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[15:45:24] <cradek> jthornton: in 2.7 sim it seems like deleting a rung works fine
[15:45:32] <cradek> jthornton: I wonder if I'm doing something different
[15:45:59] <cradek> did you have to use his clp? I just ran demo-sim-cl or however it's spelled, added a rung, put some stuff on it, deleted it
[15:49:49] <JT-Shop> I did the same as you, using wheezy and 2.7 and I crashed
[15:50:30] <cradek> I expected to see CL crash in sim
[15:50:48] <cradek> I'm not itching to try it in rt but I guess I will (hard to debug a hard lock)
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[15:51:26] <cradek> I bet nojepler would run something under valgrind and find it right away
[15:51:29] <cradek> I wonder how to do that
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[15:53:14] <JT-Shop> news flash, it has to be the last rung
[15:53:33] <cradek> hmmmmm!
[15:53:36] <JT-Shop> any rung before the last one can be deleted
[15:53:51] <JT-Shop> that's where I went when I just tried it again
[15:54:21] <cradek> you just mean the bottom one on the screen?
[15:54:44] <JT-Shop> yes, add one after the bottom one put something in then delete it
[15:55:12] <JT-Shop> put something in , say ok then reselect it then delete
[15:55:14] <cradek> so you use "add" not insert?
[15:55:24] <JT-Shop> yea
[15:55:37] <cradek> delete the whole rung, right?
[15:56:10] <JT-Shop> yea
[15:56:16] <cradek> thanks, I'll try again
[15:59:36] <archivist> valgrind takes a little to get used to but does find the odd sillyness
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[17:07:05] <cradek> #0 0xb6fa2f1c in RefreshRung (Rung=0xb6f91f8c, JumpTo=0xb70a929c) at hal/classicladder/calc.c:666
[17:07:08] <cradek> #1 0xb6fa2e6a in RefreshASection (pSection=0xb6f956ac) at hal/classicladder/calc.c:763
[17:07:11] <cradek> #2 0xb6fa31cb in ClassicLadder_RefreshAllSections () at hal/classicladder/calc.c:810
[17:07:14] <cradek> #3 0xb6fa0beb in hal_task (arg=0x0, period=1000000) at hal/classicladder/module_hal.c:156
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[17:19:10] <cradek> (gdb) p RungArray
[17:19:10] <cradek> $27 = (StrRung *) 0xb6f92380
[17:19:32] <cradek> heh I bet -1 is not a valid index of RungArray...
[17:19:57] <seb_kuzminsky> somebody returned an error and the caller thought it was an index?
[17:20:18] <seb_kuzminsky> btw hi i'm back
[17:20:31] <seb_kuzminsky> y'all have been busy this weekend!
[17:20:35] <cradek> well for some reason each entry in RungArray[] has a "next" index
[17:20:41] <cradek> this is all very inscrutable
[17:20:46] <cradek> welcome back :-)
[17:22:16] <cradek> so ... it's a linked list, the elements of which are stored in a (fixed size?) array
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[17:24:15] <seb_kuzminsky> why use one data structure when two will do?
[17:26:39] <cradek> welp before I make it all crashy, I see two rungs on the screen. Rung[0] has used 1, prev 0, next 2; Rung[1] has used 1, prev 1, next -1; Rung[2] has used 0, prev 0, next 0
[17:27:39] <cradek> the "comments" in Rung[0] and Rung[1] look like the two comments I see on the screen
[17:27:59] <cradek> when I click the top one it says "Rung 1" and when I click the bottom one that label disappears
[17:29:36] <cradek> it's hard to know what design to try to fix
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[17:42:57] <cradek> well I think this is too deep for me today
[17:43:00] <cradek> I'm going to go do the laundry
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[17:49:51] <nojepler> linked-list-in-array lets you have bounded memory usage and atomic delete/insert
[17:49:55] <nojepler> and it must also be a bear to get right
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[17:55:27] <cradek> now I'm not even sure that's the data structure
[17:55:52] <cradek> there are jump coils, -(J)-, that somehow make it jump to a rung other than the one below
[17:56:08] <cradek> the "next" seems to have something to do with that
[18:04:36] <nojepler> ah hm
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[18:27:18] <nojepler> (if we ever adapt a newer version of CL to linuxcnc we should upstream it and thereafter just package upstream CL on wlo)
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[19:41:38] <linuxcnc-build> build #1378 of 1405.rip-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1405.rip-wheezy-armhf/builds/1378 blamelist: John Thornton <bjt128@gmail.com>
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[19:50:12] <linuxcnc-build> build #3200 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/3200 blamelist: John Thornton <bjt128@gmail.com>
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[20:12:53] <JT-Shop> what does 0000 checkin failed mean?
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[22:00:28] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: the buildbot is set up to do lots of builds on different platforms, the 0000.checkin one is just the top-level thing that triggers all the real work
[22:01:07] <seb_kuzminsky> the failure before 0000.checkin was 1405.rip-wheezy-armhf, which does a run-in-place build & runtests on wheezy, on an armhf machine (an odroid u3 currently)
[22:01:21] <seb_kuzminsky> that's the failure that caused 0000.checkin to report an error
[22:01:59] <seb_kuzminsky> it looks like a test failure that's happened intermittently for many months, that no one has bothered to track down yet
[22:02:20] <seb_kuzminsky> search for "limit3" on this page to see it:
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1405.rip-wheezy-armhf/builds/1378
[22:02:39] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm going to tell the buildbot to try again, and it'll probably work
[22:02:51] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.7 0000.checkin
[22:02:52] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 51m58s]
[22:02:52] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[22:50:59] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build 0000.checkin #3201 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[22:50:59] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/3201
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