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[00:45:52] <Tom_itx> cradek at least coat it with some oil based paint
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[00:58:20] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/lens-silly-fixturing.jpg
[00:58:55] <cradek> super glue!
[00:59:15] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/lens-finishing.jpg
[00:59:44] <cradek> as cut from that blank, right; edges finished, left
[01:02:09] <cradek> (Nd=1.700 glass)
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[01:08:02] <cradek> these are for frames like this:
http://vintageopticalshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/img_0684_1.jpg
[01:08:52] <Tom_itx> do you polish the whole lens or just the edge?
[01:09:13] <cradek> just the edge, I bought the blanks with the optical surfaces already done
[01:09:43] <cradek> I have not quite yet attempted doing the optical surfaces, but I do have blanks and grit sitting on my desk...
[01:14:34] <cradek> next I have to make some tiny screws
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[01:19:09] <Tom_itx> fun
[01:19:20] <Tom_itx> smaller than 2-56?
[01:19:28] <cradek> smaller than 0-80
[01:19:31] <Tom_itx> ick
[01:20:09] <cradek> yeah I was hoping 0-80 would work, but not even close
[01:20:48] <cradek> I think they're about .040 major dia
[01:22:25] <cradek> I bet archivist would have no trouble...
[01:22:45] <Tom_itx> true, he likes that sort of thing
[01:23:09] <Tom_itx> it must be a custom thread
[01:23:16] <Tom_itx> standard threads start at 0
[01:23:50] <cradek> heh I think they were standard american optical screws, ca 1910
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[01:28:05] <cradek> it would be nice to find the screw spec, but I don't think that's very likely
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[03:08:59] <archivist> cradek, I got one book because of the screw tables
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=BK2267
[03:10:26] <cradek> thanks, I wonder if they did use screws from some watch manufacturer
[03:10:31] <cradek> lemme measure the OD
[03:12:40] <cradek> they are about .045-0455
[03:14:46] <Tom_itx> 5-120?
[03:16:32] <Tom_itx> are they worn down?
[03:17:14] <cradek> there are about 6 threads in .080", so 75 tpi, ish
[03:17:40] <cradek> they are pretty worn looking, but may have always been kind of lousy
[03:17:44] <archivist> heh didnt have to fetch the book, scanned two years ago
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK2267/
[03:18:35] <cradek> I have a zillion watch screws, and when the diameter is close, the threads are way too fine
[03:21:27] <cradek> thanks archivist
[03:22:25] <archivist> I have other tables somewhere, been collecting docs on threads
[03:23:45] <cradek> I knew if anyone knew, it'd be you
[03:24:33] <cradek> this is 'american optical company' and my wild-ass guess is 1905-1915
[03:24:49] <archivist> but if something dates back to the thread plate days, all bets are off, just measure, all thread plates were individual
[03:24:53] <cradek> they may have used the same screws forever - the rimless mounts were popular into the 40s or more
[03:25:45] <cradek> no this is totally factory exchangeable parts era, I've seen boxes of screws from AO that optometrists would stock
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[03:28:06] <cradek> guess they're not UNM (which I had never heard of until now)
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[03:32:41] <archivist> my folder of screw info is awol at the moment, usually if lives in sight in this room
[03:33:20] <cradek> no match in machinery's handbook
[03:33:53] <cradek> it's fine, this is just a geektrap, I can measure and match them just fine
[03:34:22] <cradek> thread engagement is only 2-3 threads. it only has to be sort of close.
[03:34:45] <cradek> I know the answer that there's not likely anything I can order online that would match
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[03:45:45] <archivist> other odd screw series names, progress, thury, lowenherz swiss horoligical (NHS)
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[03:55:19] <archivist> the folder was hiding in full site but backwards, no AO in it though
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[10:46:20] <jthornton> M1
http://www.usmicroscrew.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf-download-icon.png
[10:47:26] <jthornton> http://jimorrisco.com/index/thread-info
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[12:55:34] <archivist> http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2015/05/14/the-bunny-theory-of-code/
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[13:28:39] <jthornton> expanding html docs
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/html/
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[13:33:57] <archivist> hmm title-content possible mismatch
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/html/common/Integrator_Concepts.html
[13:34:52] <archivist> no mention of other realtime stuff and other concepts a user needs
[13:35:30] <archivist> was just picking a random page from the indec
[13:35:33] <archivist> index
[13:37:19] <jthornton> that is a copy of our current 2.7 docs and yes perhaps mislabeled which is my next step after we make a decision about the pdf docs
[13:37:23] <archivist> eg integrator either uses a wizard to connect stuff (stepconf) or edits hal
[13:38:06] <jthornton> in my thinking an integrator is the person that builds the machine
[13:39:21] <archivist> me too
[13:42:05] <jthornton> the main thing I'm showing here is how much neater and compact the html docs can be and everything shows up on one page with a "normal" monitor to start
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[13:44:18] <archivist> cant help looking deeper when I look at something :)
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[13:44:25] <REEEN> Testing
[13:44:31] <archivist> phail
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[13:45:59] <jthornton> no problem I appreciate the feedback
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[15:27:43] <REEEN> Hello, some skilled users online ?
[15:30:15] <micges> what's the problem?
[15:31:16] <REEEN> I tried to tune a costumers mill but there is a problem with the tuning, there is always a offset present
[15:32:23] <REEEN> X axes has no offset but y and z are always exact 0.004 mm and 0.008mm away from position inpositiv direction
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[15:33:22] <micges> why are you tunning them?
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[15:34:00] <micges> I mean new machine, retrofit, or simply retune?
[15:34:12] <REEEN> I did the pid tuning i did a retrofit on this machine
[15:34:25] <REEEN> Yes retrofit
[15:34:51] <REEEN> I did sone retrofits before,bjt neber had such a problem
[15:36:44] <micges> did you replace servo drivers?
[15:37:42] <REEEN> No I used the old Bosch Servo driver DC powered and the old Siemens DC servo motors they are in very good condition
[15:39:34] <REEEN> For the x axes my tuning is perefect, but y has an offset of 0.004 and z by 0.008 so if I say Mdi G0 Y0 display says Y = 0.004 and PID Error can also be seen in hal meter window
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[15:43:46] <cradek> is that inches or mm? how many encoder counts are in .004 units?
[15:45:13] <REEEN> It's mm it is very tiny but on my other retrofits I didn't even had a offset
[15:45:32] <cradek> .004 mm?
[15:45:44] <REEEN> 0.004 is 4 encoder counts I use linear glass scales
[15:45:54] <cradek> what are your tuning parameters currently?
[15:45:56] <REEEN> Yes 0.004 mm
[15:46:07] <REEEN> And in z 0.008 mm
[15:46:35] <cradek> are these velocity mode amps?
[15:47:12] <REEEN> Yes PWM analog control
[15:47:29] <REEEN> Amplifiers are dc
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[15:49:36] <cradek> what are your tuning parameters currently?
[15:49:46] <cradek> are these velocity mode amps?
[15:49:53] <REEEN> So you mean PID values ?
[15:50:03] <cradek> yes pid
[15:50:07] <REEEN> Yes
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[15:50:57] <cradek> ok glass scales go to linuxcnc; do the amps have tach or encoder feedback?
[15:51:06] <REEEN> P =22 I = 0.00258 D =0.003 and FF1= 0.1 or so
[15:51:39] <REEEN> The amps have tach feedback and scales go to linuxcnc directly you are right
[15:51:43] <cradek> ok
[15:51:57] <cradek> how is ferror when moving?
[15:52:52] <REEEN> Max ferror during Rapid movement is less than 0.006 added to the permanent offset
[15:53:01] <REEEN> It is very good
[15:53:25] <cradek> yes 6 encoder counts at rapid is very good
[15:53:43] <cradek> I recommend setting I=0 and fixing the offset with the knob on the amp
[15:53:57] <REEEN> Yes of course there is a higher peak at the start of the movement
[15:53:59] <jepler> just a fyi -- I will have very little IRC contact for the next ~1month though I'm likely to continue idling in the channel.
[15:54:43] <REEEN> I think you are right cradek I thought the same
[15:55:26] <REEEN> I recognized that the offset decreases after some time but very very slow
[15:55:44] <cradek> that is your very small I building up
[15:56:00] <cradek> try setting I=0 and tune the offset on the amp
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[15:56:30] <REEEN> Yes I will try that out :-)
[15:56:31] <cradek> once you have done that you can set I=100 or I=1000 safely, but you probably don't need it
[15:56:45] <cradek> do NOT use I when you are adjusting the offset because it will confuse you
[15:57:01] <REEEN> I have a lot of other machines that don't have any I
[15:57:20] <REEEN> Only p and FF1
[15:57:21] <cradek> in velocity mode, I=0 makes perfect sense
[15:57:28] <cradek> yes and maybe D
[15:57:40] <REEEN> Yes and D of course :)
[15:57:45] <cradek> right, it should mostly rely on FF1
[15:57:57] <REEEN> Yes it does
[15:58:25] <REEEN> You are a skilled tuber I have one more question for you if you have a moment
[15:59:16] <cradek> haha skilled tuber. hot potato.
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[16:00:11] <REEEN> The machine is moving very hard from position to position when using a handwheel with 0.1mm per click how can I make this smoother ?
[16:00:43] <REEEN> Turning down accel is very bad for positioning it gets tooo slow
[16:01:25] <jepler> there is a component 'ilowpass' for this purpose
[16:01:26] <cradek> you can fix that with ilowpass
[16:01:44] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/ilowpass.9.html
[16:01:53] <jepler> ah cradek was a bit faster with the doc link
[16:02:03] <REEEN> Ah okay so this is what this can be used for :)
[16:02:54] <REEEN> So using ilowpass will only smooth movement when using handwheel are for all jog moves ?
[16:03:18] <cradek> it smooths only the handwheel
[16:03:41] <REEEN> Okay but thats enough
[16:03:46] <REEEN> Thank you
[16:04:01] <REEEN> Thanks for your help buddys :)
[16:04:14] <cradek> there's an example in ./common/shuttlexpress.hal
[16:04:28] <cradek> actually there are several ilowpass wheel setups in the sample configs
[16:04:36] <cradek> welcome!
[16:05:06] <REEEN> Okay I will find out how to use it Iam pretty skilled in hal things
[16:05:17] <cradek> excellent
[16:05:27] <REEEN> Have a good day !
[16:05:28] <cradek> it's so much easier to help people when they've done their homework :-)
[16:05:30] <cradek> you too.
[16:05:39] <REEEN> Yes of course :)
[16:06:06] <micges> REEEN: if you're connecting handwheel directly to axis.n you can try also set axis.%d.jog-vel-mode to 1
[16:06:54] <cradek> that will not make it less responsive
[16:07:42] <REEEN> Yes but this will make my machine go on positioning also when I stopped turning my handwheel I think this is to dangerous
[16:08:23] <micges> I see
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[16:25:06] <archivist> cradek, I cant help thinking your screw is some 00 coarse relation of Sellers standard
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[16:32:56] <kwallace> I'd like to write a Python script that modifies an .ini file, such as find [TAG], then keyword = ?? then write a new value to the keyword. Is there an easy way to do this or do I just need to use standard Python file and string functions?
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[16:39:50] <cradek> from linuxcnc import ini
[16:40:01] <cradek> ^ I see the linuxcnc module has ini stuff, but I don't know if you can write/rewrite with it
[16:41:26] <cradek> there is also ConfigParser
[16:41:52] <cradek> you absolutely shouldn't write this yourself from scratch.
[16:42:12] <kwallace> ConfigParser is in C?
[16:43:51] <kwallace> Touchy has this:
[16:43:55] <kwallace> 256 # check the ini file if UNITS are set to mm"
[16:43:55] <kwallace> 257 # first check the global settings
[16:43:55] <kwallace> 258 units=self.ini.find("TRAJ","LINEAR_UNITS")
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[16:53:10] <kwallace> hmm,
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/python-interface.html#_reading_ini_file_values_a_id_sec_python_reading_ini_values_a
[16:56:12] <jepler> kwallace: ConfigParser is a standard Python module
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[16:56:30] <jepler> but no guarantees that our inifiles are 100% compatible with ConfigParser's idea of inifiles
[16:56:43] <jepler> we also have several homebrewed variants of inifile reader/writers in tcl and they are all buggy
[16:57:03] <jepler> dgarr fixed a couple of bugs in the one in calibration within the last few months
[16:57:39] <kwallace> Cool, thank you and cradek. I'll look into it.
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[17:16:27] <pcw_home> $39.00 ebay DC7800SFF works pretty well with hm2_eth at 3 KHz (wont quite do 4 KHz with normal desktop activities), 2 weeks 24/7 no issues
[17:16:29] <pcw_home> RX bytes:516632415322 (516.6 GB) TX bytes:902056655900 (902.0 GB)
[17:16:30] <pcw_home>
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[17:44:58] <skunkworks> neat
[17:46:49] <JT-Shop> kwallace, I've done some ini file creating and reading in python
[17:49:46] <JT-Shop> kwallace, look in the first part of
http://gnipsel.com/files/mill-g-code/
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[19:43:02] <mozmck> pcw_home: is the 7i92 with 2 IDC headers close to ready?
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[20:23:12] <mozmck> cmorley: can I change keybingdings easily in a gscreen custom skin?
[20:23:26] <cmorley> yes
[20:24:01] <mozmck> Ok, I want to change the jog keys to call functions in my custom screen.
[20:24:12] <mozmck> how would I do that?
[20:25:36] <cmorley> this is the principle:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui/gscreen.html#_use_the_handler_file_to_add_features
[20:25:55] <cmorley> I will look for a more detailed example....
[20:26:32] <cmorley> It's been awhile since I looked at it..
[20:26:58] <mozmck> thanks. I'm finding more in the code for gscreen now - so I can probably sort it out.
[20:27:21] <mozmck> I want to make key jogging use a percentage of the max velocity for each axis.
[20:27:53] <mozmck> Looks like it should be easy, but I have to implement my own key jog functions.
[20:27:54] <cmorley> keybindings.py will show you the built in keybuindings
[20:28:02] <mozmck> I found that.
[20:28:26] <mozmck> Made me learn a little more python to try and understand it :)
[20:30:43] <cmorley> :)
[20:30:49] <cmorley> still looking..
[20:39:04] <mozmck> I think that example has what I need. I really want to override the gscreen key jog functions instead of changing keybindings.
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[20:41:43] <cmorley> self.gscreen.keylookup.add_call('XPOS','new_up_key_pressed_function')
[20:42:52] <cmorley> should be the command you need to have the up button rediredted to the function 'new_up_key_pressed' that would need to be added to the handler file
[20:43:10] <mozmck> From the link you sent, it looks like all I need is a on_keycall_XPOS(self,state,SHIFT,CNTRL,ALT) function in my code to override the one in gscreen?
[20:44:20] <cmorley> need the add_call command too
[20:44:25] <mozmck> ok
[20:45:04] <mozmck> so will that override the previous add_call that bound it to on_keycall_XPOS()?
[20:45:15] <cmorley> sorry my memory of it off hand is fuzzy :)
[20:45:24] <cmorley> yes it should
[20:45:31] <mozmck> ok, I'll give that a try.
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[20:52:59] <cmorley> I tested here and yes I can override the default action for a jog key
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[21:05:47] <cmorley> i'd like to see your gui sometime, if you had screenshots.
[21:12:58] <cmorley> just to confuse you a bit - you were right the add_call is not necessary - but won't hurt - it does allow you to rename your new function to what you want.
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[22:26:38] <mozmck> cmorley: thanks for the help.
[22:26:55] <mozmck> Right now my gui is still a mess, but I'll have screenshots at least before too long.
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[22:29:18] <andypugh> Who is admin for the sourceforge site?
[22:29:39] <andypugh> https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/feature-requests/new/ has a 404 on the “Before submitting a Feature Request, you should read this webpage.” link
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[23:03:12] <cradek> andypugh: looks like I can... I removed that. If you think there's an appropriate link, I can put it back.
[23:03:36] <andypugh> I don’t know where it was meant to link to
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