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[00:51:23] <mozmck> pcw_home: how do I set up a gantry with 2 motors using the pid stepper setup?
[00:52:41] <PCW> not sure the PID makes any particular difference
[00:52:47] <mozmck> Do I use the same PID for both motors/stepgens?
[00:53:15] <PCW> I would use a PID per
[00:53:52] <PCW> are you using gantrykins or jusy driving both from the same position command?
[00:53:59] <PCW> just
[00:54:10] <mozmck> I guess I don't understand the setup well enough.
[00:54:31] <mozmck> I'm trying to use trivkins right now, and drive both from the same position command
[00:55:58] <PCW> OK so you might get away with one PID in that case but I would still use two
[00:56:40] <mozmck> there is this net: net emcmot.01.pos-cmd axis.1.motor-pos-cmd => pid.1.command
[00:57:30] <PCW> yeah wire that to the slaved PID command input also
[00:57:53] <mozmck> have to run for right now, I'll study on this more, and probably ask for help later - thanks
[00:58:39] <PCW> the reason I'm queasy about one PID is that they are still small differences that can accumulate position errors
[00:59:20] <PCW> (one is the fact that one stepgens velocity is always written a tiny bit later that the others)
[00:59:48] <PCW> so better to servo that put with individual PIDs
[00:59:54] <PCW> that out
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[11:26:19] <jthornton> I've installed backuppc and in the process generated new key files... I assume I need to send cradek one of the ssh keys to replace the old one for git
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[12:14:35] <jepler> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] 3.18.13-rt9
[12:40:42] <mozmck> jepler: and then over on #linux-rt: ***rostedt curses bigeasy for releasing a new -rt in the middle of a stable rc release!
[12:43:35] <mozmck> but I guess that's not relevant. looks like rostedt is talking about the 3.14 kernel patch?
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[13:02:02] <jepler> oh do they have a channel? I guess I should try hanging out there.
[13:02:48] <jepler> ah on debian's irc server, not freenode
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[14:39:39] <JT-Shop> cradek, I need to send you a new key for pushing, but which one?
[14:40:20] <cradek> JT-Shop: send only the pub half
[14:40:41] <JT-Shop> ok thanks
[14:41:50] <JT-Shop> I'm working on the manuals for 2.7 and created a branch off of 2.7 for testing and review
[14:43:46] <cradek> sweet
[14:44:28] <jepler> JT-Shop: ouch, you installed some backup software and the first thing it did was overwrite some files with critical contents?
[14:44:31] <jepler> wowowow
[14:45:37] <cradek> ooh I didn't see that
[14:45:42] <cradek> what the heck
[14:46:09] <cradek> first, assume the user doesn't use ssh for anything important?
[14:49:59] <JT-Shop> jepler, no, it was a new install of Debian Wheezy so they didn't exist
[14:50:23] <jepler> JT-Shop: ah
[14:50:33] <jepler> so the old file was lost already
[14:50:41] <JT-Shop> and I didn't think about it at the time
[14:50:56] <JT-Shop> no I still have a complete copy of the old computer
[14:51:27] <jepler> you could copy the old .ssh directory wholesale to the new computer if you want to use the same key
[14:51:40] <JT-Shop> I guess I can just resend the keys to the computers on my LAN for the backup
[14:52:00] <JT-Shop> ok I'll do that
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[18:58:25] <cradek> heh some stuff in this directory is like baby pictures of AXIS:
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/origin-preview.png
[19:01:19] <archivist> all that unused space
[19:01:38] <cradek> haha
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/homehomehomehome.png
[19:07:07] <tinkerer> cradek: 2nd try. (00:38:07) tinkerer: cradek: any news on the pluto front?
[19:07:48] <cradek> sort of. by adding pullups I got it to program reliably, but it does not communicate in epp mode after programming.
[19:08:16] <cradek> I found that a 7i43 does work on this port, but epp_wide=0 is needed
[19:08:28] <cradek> ... so I have been testing pluto with epp_wide=0
[19:08:34] <tinkerer> yep, the cable is too long
[19:08:58] <cradek> I tried several cables and am now using the one that makes the 7i43 work correctly
[19:09:29] <cradek> the signals I checked all (now) look square and not too noisy
[19:09:40] <tinkerer> there have to be some work in the verilog code
[19:10:16] <cradek> I tried your pluto-step with verilog changes that you sent to jepler a while back. it also had the same problem for me.
[19:11:23] <cradek> (I have now added pullups to pins 1, 14, 16, 17)
[19:11:28] <tinkerer> you just check the signals on the pluto side. thr wait signal is too short for a cable
[19:12:25] <cradek> is this something you fixed in the pluto-step firmware you sent to jepler?
[19:12:42] <tinkerer> i've some more strange effects with the sun1989.
[19:12:54] <tinkerer> not all.
[19:13:08] <cradek> note this is sun1888
[19:13:10] <mozmck> cradek: I think the package tom needs is glade-gtk2
[19:13:32] <cradek> sun1989 was not recognized
[19:13:35] <tinkerer> in the code which i sent jepler i fixed the handshaking generaly
[19:13:52] <cradek> tinkerer: unfortunately when I tried it, it did not help me
[19:14:06] <tinkerer> ??
[19:14:16] <cradek> I tried your pluto-step with verilog changes that you sent to jepler a while back. it also had the same problem for me.
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[19:14:38] <tinkerer> the step is the unloved part ;)
[19:14:41] <cradek> I copied only the pluto-step.rbf and rebuilt
[19:14:55] <tinkerer> i work mainly with the servo
[19:15:09] <cradek> I don't care about the step, I use pluto-servo, but jepler said only step was modified in the files you sent him
[19:15:26] <tinkerer> no, definitivly not
[19:15:41] <cradek> hmm
[19:15:47] <tinkerer> i've sent you e fixed version
[19:15:59] <cradek> he had a tar file with many unrelated changes in it, so it's possible we were both confused by it
[19:16:12] <tinkerer> but with opendrain support for optocouplers
[19:16:59] <cradek> you sent me pluto_servo_opendrain.rbf but I don't understand what it is
[19:18:55] <tinkerer> the outputs of the pluto board works like open collector.
[19:19:42] <tinkerer> it have nothing to do with the printerport and epp.
[19:20:22] <tinkerer> with obendrain you can drive higher current
[19:22:10] <tinkerer> the pluto have limited power supply
[19:22:17] <cradek> would that fix the epp problem?
[19:22:38] <tinkerer> no, the epp fix is different
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[19:24:24] <tinkerer> the synchronization of the epp handshaking in the original fpga code was incomplete.
[19:26:47] <tinkerer> if you are interessted I can make a wait delay for longer cable. maybe in the next week.
[19:27:09] <cradek> I'd be happy to test whatever you want
[19:27:13] <tinkerer> ok
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[19:28:45] <tinkerer> how do you drive your lathe? do you have opto couplers?
[19:28:54] <cradek> I do not have any drive problems at all
[19:29:00] <tinkerer> :D
[19:29:17] <cradek> I don't remember exactly what the hardware is, but the pluto's pwm directly drives dumb H bridges
[19:29:22] <cradek> the lathe is very small
[19:29:38] <cradek> I have differential receivers for the encoders
[19:29:58] <tinkerer> L298?
[19:30:01] <cradek> yes
[19:30:12] <cradek> one L298 for two servos
[19:30:15] <tinkerer> ok direct w/o oc?
[19:30:24] <cradek> it works perfectly
[19:30:38] <cradek> I have been using it for years
[19:30:39] <tinkerer> jes the etch version. it was my 1st setup too
[19:30:55] <cradek> it's only replacing the PC that causes a problem
[19:31:47] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/cnc/lathe/DSCN6296.JPG
[19:32:34] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/cnc/lathe/DSCN6295.JPG
[19:32:45] <archivist> is that a real 36 way printer socket I see
[19:32:49] <cradek> the pluto is inside that box
[19:33:14] <cradek> archivist: all the wiring to the lathe is through that scsi cable
[19:33:27] <cradek> it's an old external scsi box of course
[19:33:38] <tinkerer> i see
[19:33:38] <archivist> heh
[19:34:14] <tinkerer> i've have such one from a atari :)
[19:34:24] <cradek> well there is more now - I added a hand wheel and switches to run touchy, and they go to another plug on the box
[19:35:42] <tinkerer> how long is the printer cable?
[19:36:21] <cradek> probably about 30"
[19:36:51] <cradek> same cable that worked with 7i43
[19:37:40] <tinkerer> yes but the mesa boards are electricaly much more stable
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[19:39:53] <cradek> yeah :-/
[19:40:43] <tinkerer> and the old comps too :)
[19:40:58] <cradek> is the pluto important to you, or is it just an interesting challenge?
[19:41:01] <cradek> comps?
[19:41:14] <tinkerer> computers
[19:41:27] <cradek> oh right, also true
[19:42:27] <tinkerer> both, it drives my router and i learn much with it :)
[19:42:50] <cradek> ok good, then I am not the only remaining user!
[19:43:13] <cradek> because if I am the only one, I should rebuild with mesa
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[19:48:00] <tinkerer> I'm planning to port the pluto code to other altera chips. some tries are promising. but im very busy in my job.
[19:52:00] <tinkerer> about the sun1989. it works very well when it is connected directly. but when I try to use a cable, the computer restarts when i load the pluto module.
[19:52:08] <tinkerer> very strange.
[19:52:18] <cradek> wow
[19:52:19] <cradek> yuck
[19:52:39] <tinkerer> but only the sun chip
[19:52:54] <cradek> maybe the sun cards are crap too, like the pluto
[19:53:40] <tinkerer> you mean they should work well together...? ;)
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[19:56:33] <cradek> well that's one possibility I guess!
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[19:57:02] <cradek> I think when you interface crap to crap, you get crap^2 instead of 2*crap
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[21:21:53] <JT-Shop> lol
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[21:49:39] <mozmck> If crap is negative, then crap^2 would be positive...
[21:52:50] <mozmck> Is there a way to set the default jog speed in terms of percentage of the max velocity?
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[22:46:49] <tinkerer> cradek: I've sent you a test firmware. pleas try it out.
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[22:52:30] <Tom_itx> mozmck, what does MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE, MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY, and DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY do in the [DISPLAY] section?
[22:52:56] <Tom_itx> maybe the DEFAULT one would do that
[22:53:20] <Tom_itx> my default is set to 1.2
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