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[02:28:07] <jepler> (hm it would be pretty awesome if the irc client could show only the last part & join of a given nick by default)
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[02:32:35] <cradek> hey that's a good idea
[02:41:03] <jepler> and then, 6 years later, you find that you've written your own custom programming language in which to implement your own irc client
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[02:59:24] <Tom_itx> i leave them on on my client since i'm op in several channels
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[16:12:21] <jepler> found in a pdf for the SUN1999-based MIO5499A datasheet: "ECP / EPP / SPP / BPP modes work under Windows, and Linux driver only supports SPP mode."
[16:13:19] <seb_kuzminsky> i read that as "our hardware doesn't follow the de-facto standard, but we paper over the warts in our windows driver"
[16:13:33] <seb_kuzminsky> "and we won't tell you how to do it"
[16:14:31] <cradek> shame on me for assuming sun19xx would work right, when given the fact that sun18xx works right
[16:14:50] <cradek> it's not as if I'm new at this
[16:15:16] <seb_kuzminsky> we just need to convince pcw_home to take over all hardware design & manufacture in the world, then we won't have problems like this
[16:15:55] <cradek> but what if world domination corrupted him?
[16:20:49] <jepler> c:\>sundos -lpt2=spp
[16:20:50] <jepler>
[16:20:50] <jepler> Sunix IO card Uti1ity for DOS ver.1.00.00.006
[16:20:50] <jepler> Seting LPT2 to spp
[16:20:56] <CaptHindsight> I wonder is any of the broken EPP controllers are really just microcontrollers with bad firmware in a PCI LPT controller package
[16:20:59] <jepler> this is interesting, there's a DOS utility that can change the mode
[16:21:01] <CaptHindsight> is/if
[16:21:02] <jepler> -lpt Seting parallel mode to spp,ecp,epp,pff,bpp
[16:21:14] <jepler> anybody feel like reverse-engineering a 32kB DOS EXE?
[16:21:31] <CaptHindsight> like the fake FTDI USB adapter devices
[16:22:32] <CaptHindsight> jepler: post a link to the EXE please, maybe someone will take a stab at it
[16:22:43] <pcw_home> if you know the parallel port base address it's pretty easy to poke at the control registers to see if they make sense
[16:23:17] <pcw_home> (that is do the follow the IEEE1284 specs?)
[16:24:01] <pcw_home> they follow
[16:24:12] <seb_kuzminsky> if they did, the normal linux driver would work
[16:24:44] <jepler> the linux driver says there is no PCI BAR corresponding to the ECP registers (the ones often found at base + 0x400)
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[16:25:43] <jepler> the linux driver seems to assume these go in their own BAR
[16:26:14] <pcw_home> yeah so need to find if there is an offset with a register that behaves as expected
[16:26:33] <jepler> right
[16:26:35] <pcw_home> is there any data on the chip around?
[16:26:41] <jepler> I haven't found any register docs
[16:26:58] <jepler> they state that the serial part is 16c950 compatible
[16:27:05] <pcw_home> who needs docs if you have a windows driver
[16:28:02] <pcw_home> whats the full part number?
[16:29:31] <pcw_home> nm SUN1999
[16:29:34] <jepler> I don't have the board, but the PCI if chip is apparently silkscreened SUN1999
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[16:33:33] <pcw_home> hmm does sunix even make chips?
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[16:36:41] <pcw_home> if they do it does not look like they sell to OEMs so maybe they why theres no detailed data
[16:36:42] <pcw_home> OTOH they claim to have a linux driver
[16:38:09] <pcw_home> which has source and a makefile!
[16:38:23] <jepler> snx_main.c: pp->base_hi = sb->bar_addr[sb->pb_info.port[k + sb->ser_port].bar2] + sb->pb_info.port[k + sb->ser_port].offset2;
[16:45:15] <jepler> // type bar1 ofs1 len1 bar2 ofs2 len2 intmask flags
[16:45:19] <jepler> { 'p', 1, 0, 8, 2, 0, 0, 0x0000, SUN1999_HWID },
[16:45:42] <jepler> len2 of 0 doesn't seem right
[16:45:51] <jepler> that's a VENID_SUN1999 card
[16:46:04] <jepler> { 'p', 0, 0, 8, 1, 0, 8, 0x0000, SUN1888_HWID },
[16:46:11] <jepler> a sun1888 entry has a len2 of 8
[16:46:19] <jepler> which is a lot less surprising
[16:47:06] <cradek> jepler: fwiw, I rebuilt our rtai kernel with that patch you found, and it made no difference, the card was still not detected by ppdev at boot
[16:52:54] <jepler> cradek: huh, I expected it to then be detected but not have a port_hi
[17:02:55] <cradek> the patch had a lot of serial port stuff, which this card doesn't have
[17:03:16] <cradek> lemme pull it and look at it
[17:04:33] <cradek> given a flood of water and a diamond burr, max has no trouble drilling and cutting glass 1/4" thick
[17:04:46] <cradek> I guess this shouldn't be a surprise but still, it's pretty neat
[17:05:24] <cradek> umm, the card says SUN1989, not 1999
[17:05:34] <cradek> sorry if I misreported
[17:05:53] <cradek> it also says "Gfeen Packing" 1316A008
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[17:17:49] <andypugh> I wonder if any machine has more than 4 too carousels? (I wonder if any have more than one?)
[17:26:02] <cradek> lots of lathes have 2
[17:26:13] <cradek> well 2 turrets
[17:39:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i want a mill with a carousel that changes which toolchanger it's using
[17:41:50] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: Elaborate please?
[17:42:27] <andypugh> Is it better to call a function 3 times or to waste memory on a variable to hold the return value?
[17:43:12] <andypugh> I guess in the latter case the compiler can kep the value in a register, whereas it can’t know that the function will return the same value every time.
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[18:00:43] <jepler> the first SUN1989 I found also says EPP doesn't work on Linux (
http://www.sunix.com.tw/product/par5008a.html)
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[18:09:10] <jepler> all I've pieced together from SUNDOS.EXE is that it does have standard-looking code to set an ECR-like register at base_hi+2
[18:11:15] <jepler> 1752: 8b 56 e8 mov -0x18(%bp),%dx
[18:11:15] <jepler> 1755: 83 c2 02 add $0x2,%dx
[18:11:16] <jepler> 1758: b0 95 mov $0x95,%al
[18:11:16] <jepler> 175a: ee out %al,(%dx)
[18:12:04] <jepler> but I know way too little to be sure which chips that even applies to
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[18:17:26] <jepler> cradek: "modprobe parport_serial" ?
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[18:20:28] <jepler> or get sundos.exe + td.exe (turbo debugger) and break on that 'out' instruction to find out what address it actually finds and uses :-P
[18:23:35] <jepler> even freedos debug.exe might suffice
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[18:32:49] <cradek> jepler: did you see above that it's a 1989, not 1999?
[18:35:12] <jepler> cradek: yes
[18:35:18] <jepler> same dos utility
[18:35:26] <jepler> same "only spp on linux" caveat
[18:41:10] <jepler> https://edfries.wordpress.com/2015/03/13/fixing-computer-space-3/
[18:44:51] <jepler> oh wow the diode ROM is actually shaped like space ships
https://edfries.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/031315_2128_fixingcompu36.png?w=1000
[18:47:02] <skunkworks> wow - that doesn't happen much today..
[18:51:00] <cradek> the sound is cool
[18:51:06] <cradek> I had never seen a video of it being played
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[19:11:34] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/house/Sully.JPG
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[20:27:49] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: sweet!
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[22:26:16] <andypugh> For trial, my new semi-generic carousel driver:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/27-driver-boards/28765-another-qwhat-do-i-needq-thread-vmc-retrofit?start=90#58247
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[22:28:38] <andypugh> Alll I need now is a Vismach carousel + mill
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