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[13:33:51] <skunkworks> 20um scalse probably are not enough either.
[13:34:08] <skunkworks> I should just try dual loop
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[14:14:43] <skunkworks> kwallace, what was the final solution for the probing issue?
[14:15:02] <skunkworks> I see 1.6 is out.
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[14:21:08] <kwallace> Hello skunkworks. So far, the solution is to drive the probe until it trips, record the position, drive a little farther (.015"), then retract. This allows the probe to be at a decent speed when the probe untriggers, leaving a shorter period where the dithering could happen. It works a lot better, but I still get an occasional error.
[14:22:25] <archivist> what sort of error
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[14:25:05] <kwallace> I get something like "probe triggered while in non-probing MDI move". This happens during the G0 retract.
[14:27:30] <archivist> any idea of the contact material in the probe
[14:29:28] <archivist> I have an old probe here which seems to use stainless balls, a mistake as the reason it is stainless is the chrome oxide, an insulator
[14:32:29] <skunkworks> dad got 2 more probes of ebay for about $60... I don't know how he does it. Cat50 holders.
[14:33:02] <skunkworks> same brand he has now - some renishaw knock off.. works very well though
[14:33:13] <skunkworks> 'BIG'
[14:34:27] <archivist> I explored in mine
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+2011
[14:36:24] <skunkworks> he has the one he got initally we are using on the k&t - then one that fits the matsurra
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/probe/PROBE2.JPG
[14:36:26] <skunkworks> and now 2 more
[14:36:31] <skunkworks> archivist, neat
[14:38:17] <skunkworks> disassembly voids warranty...
[14:38:19] <skunkworks> ;)
[14:38:21] <archivist> the pressure needed to move the thing is too high so unlikely to let a sharp tool lean on it
[14:38:46] <archivist> warranty, wht the hell is that
[14:39:21] <skunkworks> still don't have a reciever...
[14:39:59] <pcw_home> kwallace: put probe signal through debounce on retract only?
[14:40:28] <archivist> I changed the LEDs on mine so I could see it and that is when I noticed dim leds due to the crap contact
[14:40:51] <skunkworks> High voltage!
[14:44:28] <archivist> then you will get that old arc crater problem, you must remember contact breakers on cars :)
[14:49:11] <pcw_home> 12 or 24V at a mA or so should not be harmful
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[14:49:51] <pcw_home> (HV relative to 5V anyway)
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[15:08:28] <Roguish> hey all. quick questions, please. where are the buildbot binarys kept? and how would I install one? and yes, I have been looking around a lot.... and can't find the binarys.
[15:10:33] <cradek> the front page at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ tells you how to use the packages
[15:12:46] <Roguish> cradek: thanks, yes i see all that. but what if I want to install a previous version? i assume i could use 'apt-get install xxxxxxxx' but what the heck would the xxxxxx be?
[15:12:58] <Roguish> Oh, and that buildbot page is pretty good. i like it.
[15:13:25] <cradek> it kind of depends
[15:13:45] <cradek> a downgrade within one entry in sources, or across different ones?
[15:13:57] <cradek> you can say install linuxcnc=version (the = is an apt feature)
[15:14:14] <cradek> if you want to change sources, just remove --purge the old one and then change sources and install
[15:14:23] <Roguish> probably one entry (if by entry you mean like 2.6 vs 2.7)
[15:14:45] <cradek> brb
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[15:38:34] <mozmck> hmm, I have twice now had firefox in linux here pop up a window with some resume builder ad - I wonder if I have a bug/virus?
[15:39:31] <cradek> more likely to be the website you were visiting at the time
[15:40:52] <mozmck> Well, it seems to have happened on two different ones now, and I think one was duckduckgo
[15:41:02] <cradek> hmmmm
[15:41:24] <mozmck> I'll have to pay better attention if it happens again. I assumed that was the case with the first incident.
[15:41:54] <mozmck> I have popup blocking turned on which seems to work pretty well, as well as adblock and ghostery installed.
[15:48:01] <Roguish> cradek: I am asking 'cause i had an unusual problem yesterday. I did a new install, lcnc worked fine. I did the update and lcnc quit. just would not run, in fact locked up the compute. I ran from a cmd window, and lcnc stopped at the 2nd line 'running server for TCP port....' just stopped and after a minute or so froze the computer. had to cold boot.
[15:49:05] <Roguish> so, I uninstalled with remove all. that was all with master.
[15:49:33] <Roguish> changed the repository to 2.6 stable and reinstalled. now works again.
[15:49:38] <cradek> see if you can figure out exactly how to reproduce it, and make a bug report please
[15:49:47] <cradek> I'm not familiar with that "TCP port" message
[15:50:29] <Roguish> i'll try. kinda FU'd my whole day yesterday. now I'm scared to update to master.
[15:50:43] <jepler> src/libnml/cms/tcp_srv.cc: "running server for TCP port %d (connection_socket = %d).\n",
[15:51:32] <Roguish> in the 'repositories', what happens if more than one 'linuxcnc' version is there? does it get confused?
[15:53:32] <jepler> Roguish: do you use nml-over-the-network? we are aware this is broken in 2.7 and master branches. For more information, see this commit message's full log and the discussions on the related SF bugs: c4c7fb9 nml: implement command queue with reliable reception
[15:53:50] <Roguish> I guess it's really 'branch' not version.
[15:54:26] <Roguish> nml over the network? like a Mesa ethernet board? no. simple 5i20 system.
[15:55:36] <jepler> no, nml-over-tcp is the feature that is supposed to enable user interface on one computer and linuxcnc on another computer
[15:56:29] <Roguish> not intentionally. guess i don't know for sure. is it something that must be intentionally turned on? or defaults on?
[15:56:53] <jepler> yes, it's not something you can enable accidentally
[15:56:58] <Roguish> is there a way to shut nml-over-tcp off?
[15:57:34] <jepler> it's only enabled when you put a modified emc.nml in your configuration files
[15:58:05] <jepler> (the file may actually still have to be named that, not sure)
[15:58:18] <Roguish> if it can be turned on accidentally, i may have done it, but haven't a clue what or how.
[15:58:50] <jepler> it seems unlikely then
[15:58:51] <Roguish> does the modified file come with an install/version/branch ?
[15:59:08] <Roguish> how does one tell the difference in the files?
[16:02:14] <jepler> I think it involves the inifile setting [EMC]NML_FILE
[16:02:20] <jepler> so if you don't have that in your inifile, then this is a red herring
[16:04:28] <jepler> like cradek, I'm not familiar with this message and I don't see it when running a sim/axis config at the tip of master branch:
http://pastie.org/10053002
[16:05:15] <Roguish> I have 'debug' set to 77777777.
[16:05:46] <jepler> (time=1427299530.109748,pid=12269): Registering server on TCP port 5005.
[16:05:46] <jepler> (time=1427299530.109858,pid=12269): running server for TCP port 5005 (connection_socket = 4).
[16:05:53] <jepler> OK, with debug turned all the way up I do see that message too
[16:05:57] <Roguish> it would happen even when I tried to run the 'latency test' from the program menu.
[16:06:03] <jepler> the next message is typically
[16:06:03] <jepler> Starting LinuxCNC IO program: io
[16:09:11] <jepler> did you ever "sudo make install" a linuxcnc on this OS?
[16:09:33] <Roguish> no. totally new install from the hybrid.
[16:12:11] <jepler> between 2.6 and 2.7, I made a change to the way the process called "linuxcncsvr" starts up. If you somehow managed to mix a linuxcncsvr from an old version with a 2.7 or master version of linuxcnc, the startup process could hang at this point.
[16:13:00] <jepler> (in 2.6 and before, linuxcncsvr was unconditionally started in the background, followed by a 1s wait; in 2.7 and master, it is started in the foreground and automatically goes to the background after it is ready, eliminating the need for the 1s seleep -- a sleep which was not long enough on very slow systems anyway)
[16:13:18] <jepler> however, the most likely reason for that problem to crop up is if you ever did a "make install"
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[16:14:27] <jepler> but as long as you install everything from a package, the debian packaging system dpkg will take care of removing the files from the other version before installing the files from the new version
[16:15:40] <Roguish> i generally use either the 'update manager' or 'synaptic' , only rarely will i use a cmd line apt-get.
[16:16:03] <jepler> they're using the same dpkg and apt-get behind the scenes, should be fine
[16:16:09] <Roguish> but i ask again, what happens if more than one branch is in the repository list?
[16:16:30] <Roguish> could something get confused or written over?
[16:16:56] <jepler> the system will prefer to install the highest version number
[16:17:29] <jepler> it is normal in a debian-based system for there to be multiple versions of a program installable. in the terminal, apt-cache policy packagename will tell you information about the versions available and installed for a given packagename
[16:17:47] <Roguish> I am looking for that SF bug you cited and can't find it. does it have an explicit bug number?
[16:17:48] * skunkworks is happy jeff is back...
[16:18:10] <Roguish> skunkworks: so is everyone!!
[16:19:25] <Roguish> does 'packagename' = 'linuxcnc' ???
[16:20:00] <jepler> yup
[16:21:08] <jepler> boy that's a long list of options available too
[16:21:25] <jepler> in my case, all the way from 1:2.6.0~pre4 to 1:2.8.0~pre1.568.ga73f462
[16:21:46] <jepler> so I've booted (a rather old) binary.hybrid.iso and I'm following the instructions to get master branch from buildbot..
[16:21:55] <jepler> it's now installing that 2.8.0~pre1 version
[16:22:20] <Roguish> well, hells bells. so many commands to know... wrote that on down for future use.
[16:22:43] <jepler> selected sim/axis configuration and it starts
[16:22:49] <Roguish> ok, how are you installing it? apt-get? what is the exact line, please?
[16:22:52] <jepler> so unfortunately I'm not reproducing your problem here
[16:23:02] <jepler> Roguish: I did:
[16:23:03] <jepler> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --recv-key E0EE663E
[16:23:17] <jepler> then put
[16:23:18] <jepler> deb
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy master-rt
[16:23:27] <jepler> in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linuxcnc-buildbot.list using my favorite text editor
[16:23:30] <jepler> then sudo apt-get update
[16:23:33] <jepler> then sudo apt-get install linuxcnc
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[16:24:18] <jepler> I did this all from an old (linuxcnc version 2.6.0~pre5) live CD image in qemu virtualization
[16:25:14] <Roguish> ok, so are you left with one version of linuxcnc only?
[16:25:26] <jepler> yes
[16:25:36] <cradek> apt will never install two of the same package
[16:26:19] <Roguish> I have a 'linuxcnc.list' but not a 'linuxcnc.buildbot.list'
[16:27:54] <Roguish> ok, i got the sequence. i generally use the updater, but it's the same under the hood, right? and i'll be sure to have only one branch in the repository list.
[16:28:33] <jepler> yes, I created the linuxcnc-buildbot.list file
[16:30:11] <Roguish> the updater uses nice little check boxes. same file(s) (I think) as synaptic uses.
[16:32:05] <Roguish> jepler, cradek: thanks for the help. I suspect there is a very obscure bug somewhere that I am good at finding. I will watch what I am doing and let you know if it happens again. and put in a but report, too.
[16:34:26] <cradek> our more recentish debian images have all those nice buildbot repos listed and commented out, which lets you enable or disable them with checkboxes in synaptic
[16:34:31] <jepler> OK. If you can give us steps how to reproduce it starting from the binary.hybrid.iso that'll let us diagnose what's going on
[16:36:21] <Roguish> i'll try if it strikes again. THANKS AGAIN. off to the shop to do some machining........
[16:37:20] <Roguish> p.s. I may try to find it this evening. it really pissed me off, and i like finding problems.
[16:37:26] <jepler> have fun, stay clean
[16:37:35] <jepler> well, have fun anyway
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