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[00:18:53] <skunkworks> micges: faster - the normal overages still
[00:19:27] <micges> skunkworks: same as you told me yesterday?
[00:19:37] <skunkworks> yes
[00:19:41] <micges> thanks
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[00:21:57] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Michael Geszkiewicz 05micges/master/limited_jerk f119173 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/jerk_tp/jerk_tp.c jerk_tp: handle aborting motion during move * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=f119173
[00:23:24] <micges> really starts working, I was worried this moment will never happen
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[00:39:55] <skunkworks> micges: awesome!
[00:40:00] <skunkworks> Great work
[00:40:43] <micges> thanks
[00:47:44] <PCW> Wonderful to see this starting to work
[00:54:56] <PCW> fairly amazing for preemt-rt:
[00:54:58] <PCW> http://ibin.co/1tUeHa2Voo4A
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[00:57:30] <micges> with io load or cpu load?
[00:57:43] <PCW> Thats with HD video playing
[00:58:07] <micges> wow
[00:58:26] <PCW> I suspect RTAI is only a bit better if at all
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[01:00:27] <micges> err don't have enough space to build kernel
[01:00:57] <PCW> The 3.18 kernel is definately better
[01:01:56] <PCW> dont know is you saw that earlier plot, go 30 usec latency with preemt-RT on a laptop with 3.18
[01:02:35] <micges> very good numbers
[01:03:11] <PCW> Yeah very noticeable improvement
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[02:02:22] <zeeshan> hi developers
[02:02:37] <zeeshan> could someone help point where in the source code is the peck drill cycle handled?
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[02:08:37] <cradek> from memory only: interp_convert and interp_cycles
[02:11:34] <zeeshan> youre right
[02:12:49] <zeeshan> i wonder how hard it would be to superimpose a vibration to a regular g01
[02:12:58] <zeeshan> in a particular direction
[02:13:11] <zeeshan> for chip breaking
[02:13:56] <cradek> we do have a chip break (not full retract) cycle
[02:14:08] <zeeshan> g73.. right?
[02:14:10] <cradek> or do you mean not just drilling?
[02:14:14] <zeeshan> yea not just drilling
[02:14:16] <cradek> if you say so :-)
[02:14:30] <zeeshan> so like if you're turning along the z direction
[02:14:49] <zeeshan> you wanna superimpose a sinusodial forced function about that position
[02:14:58] <cradek> interesting
[02:15:11] <cradek> I've sure used cycles in all directions on the lathe
[02:15:31] <cradek> (with L repeat I mean)
[02:15:56] <cradek> you could sure use g73 for turning
[02:16:09] <cradek> it's not sinusoidal but it would break chips
[02:16:18] <zeeshan> i wanted to try to look at the code
[02:16:21] <zeeshan> and see what kind of functio nit is
[02:16:25] <zeeshan> it seems like its a square wave function
[02:16:33] <zeeshan> well trapezoidal
[02:16:41] <zeeshan> cause of accel/decel of the motor
[02:16:42] <cradek> the plane agnosticism is the only thing tricky about the cycles code
[02:17:16] <cradek> you can't chip break the usual way, by using the right feed and the right insert?
[02:17:43] <zeeshan> you can
[02:17:51] <zeeshan> but it'd be nice to use vibrations
[02:17:59] <zeeshan> cause then you could use a generic insert for different materials
[02:18:17] <zeeshan> like as you know, the chip breaker is meant for a certain material , feed
[02:18:20] <zeeshan> and doc
[02:18:24] <cradek> yeah, it sounds neat to try
[02:18:50] <zeeshan> i got taught "fundamentals of chip control" today
[02:18:51] <Tom_itx> is this for a lathe?
[02:19:03] <zeeshan> and he was saying that chip control is a major problem for turning and drilling only
[02:19:08] <zeeshan> for milling, not so much
[02:19:13] <zeeshan> cause of the nature of the interrupted cut
[02:19:20] <cradek> oh of course
[02:20:08] <cradek> you could fake it up in hal with siggen and ... um is it called offset?
[02:20:14] <cradek> if you just want to try it
[02:20:24] <zeeshan> and then showed a video of a sinusoidal vibration super imposed along the axial path of the turning direction
[02:20:26] <cradek> it'd be much harder to add it to motion
[02:20:30] <zeeshan> and holy cow, it was a night and day difference
[02:20:36] <zeeshan> yes i'd like to just try it for now
[02:20:40] <zeeshan> proof of concept type of thing
[02:20:55] <cradek> then write simple hal, don't dig in the code
[02:21:11] <zeeshan> i was trying to dig in the code to see what kind of movement g73 was using
[02:21:24] <zeeshan> i guess i could scope it :)
[02:21:25] <cradek> it's all straight feeds and rapids
[02:21:52] <zeeshan> you know one cool thing about vibrations?
[02:21:59] <zeeshan> the chip breaker starts to work worse and worse
[02:22:46] <zeeshan> as the tool wears, so you could start playing with frequencies to compensate
[02:22:55] <zeeshan> ill try it out
[02:23:10] <zeeshan> my lathe is likely too slow to do anything useful
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[03:09:00] <adam3999_> evening
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[03:23:39] <adam3999_> hey pcw
[03:24:30] <pcw_home> Hi
[03:25:25] <adam3999_> going to boot up my mill pc with a fresh 2.6 live iso/usb drive and try and troubleshoot my lpt port again
[03:25:35] <adam3999_> this has got me stumped...
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[06:24:17] <adam3999_> welp, just spent several more hours troubleshooting my asrock 1900m parallel port input issue.. no joy yet
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[14:37:22] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 955a94b 06linuxcnc 10(8 files in 4 dirs) tests: removed bad characters from TP auto-test programs * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=955a94b
[14:37:22] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 069f228 06linuxcnc 10(32 files in 5 dirs) tests: reorganized TP test folder to be able to test-all script * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=069f228
[14:37:22] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 2c3423a 06linuxcnc 10tests/trajectory-planner/circular-arcs/nc_files/arc-intersections/arc-arc-planeswitch.ngc 10tests/trajectory-planner/circular-arcs/nc_files/arc-intersections/arc-arc-sawtooth.ngc tests: Added missing M2 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c3423a
[14:37:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 26828ef 06linuxcnc 10tests/trajectory-planner/circular-arcs/build-debug.sh tests: tweaked build script for TP debug output in TP tests * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=26828ef
[14:37:29] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 6580308 06linuxcnc 10(6 files) tests: fix for missing hal files due to recent refactor * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=6580308
[14:37:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 95e21db 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/tp.c tp: Improved handling of low-queue state * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=95e21db
[14:37:36] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 14e9153 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.c 10src/emc/tp/tc_types.h 10src/emc/tp/tp.c tp: polish and tweaks for low queue fix * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=14e9153
[14:37:40] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 575f416 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.c tp: fixed spindle atspeed overrun due to prev line consumption * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=575f416
[14:37:44] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 0802ed7 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/motion/command.c motion: catch non-fatal error during new segment and ensure that atspeed is not ignored * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=0802ed7
[14:37:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 969e866 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/tp.c tp: cleanup of blend velocity computation to eliminate unneeded planning mode * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=969e866
[14:37:52] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 9db0cad 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/tp.c tp: fix for "climbing" behavior in rigid tapping * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=9db0cad
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[15:06:14] <skunkworks> zlog,
[15:06:15] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-03-03.html
[15:06:16] <cradek> wow, he must really be testing
[15:06:50] <skunkworks> cradek, with pathpilot releasing - It is crunch time I bet.
[15:07:21] <skunkworks> however they are going to update.
[15:07:36] <cradek> I very much hope they have products using css, fpr, tapping, etc :-)
[15:07:56] <skunkworks> well - the lathe videos shows css
[15:08:52] <cradek> yay!
[15:08:52] <skunkworks> and tapping
[15:09:00] <skunkworks> *rigid tapping
[15:09:45] <cradek> I think I was early enough to successfully squash an idiotic thread about licenses on the forum
[15:09:57] <skunkworks> great!
[15:12:30] <skunkworks> Honestly - I can't believe how lucky they (and we) are to find rob.
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[15:26:36] <skunkworks> The thread on cnczone is mostly positive..
[15:27:01] <skunkworks> 'ran a job all day without crashing...' poor poor people..
[15:30:34] <skunkworks> people really like the soft limits..
[15:32:50] <kwallace> The 770 I'm using doesn't have the switches adjusted properly, so I hit the Y switch before the soft limit. It's a pain the recover.
[15:33:18] <skunkworks> seems like something you should fix ;)
[15:35:42] <skunkworks> that was mentioned on the forum.. (how to recover if the machine is already on the limit)
[15:35:42] <cradek> mach doesn't keep you off the limit switches?
[15:35:42] <kwallace> I wanted to use the factory procedure so my machine would match what is shipped, but nothing is published.
[15:35:42] <skunkworks> cradek, sounds like it wasn't implimented very well.
[15:35:52] <cradek> heh, it's surprising what people are surprised by
[15:37:44] <skunkworks> cradek,
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tormach-personal-cnc-mill/261218-software.html
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[15:40:44] <cradek> message #8 and someone is already bitten by "we picked one screen resolution to support, and used images for everything"
[15:42:53] <cradek> I wonder if their gui doesn't have the override-limits
[15:43:14] <cradek> > Seems like you can't manually run the axes into the limit switches as you could before
[15:43:17] <cradek> haha
[15:45:45] <skunkworks> I can't imagine not having that feature..
[15:45:54] <skunkworks> is that right?
[15:46:24] <kwallace> The thought was to match the screen available with a system, and it saves a ton of work and testing. Maybe UI scaling will come later, but the UI would need a major overhaul.
[15:47:59] <skunkworks> kwallace, do you think they will add an 'align vise' probing routine? Somone asked about it. (seems like a lazy way to machine...)
[15:48:36] <cradek> I can sure see probing for the corner of the jaw
[15:48:46] <cradek> for rotation, not so much
[15:49:17] <skunkworks> sounds like it would be - slap vise on table - probe and rotate coordinate system.
[15:49:56] <skunkworks> I though coordinate rotation in mach was pretty sketchy too
[15:49:56] <cradek> sure until you use a jog to cut something
[15:50:02] <skunkworks> heh
[15:50:39] <kwallace> In the Setting screen one can chose to use the limits or not, but there is no temp override as there is in AXIS.
[15:51:41] <cradek> on these machines can you easily get to the screws and just turn them with your hand?
[15:52:53] <cradek> my hnc has allen sockets on the ends of the ballscrews for this purpose
[15:53:03] <cradek> you don't need override limits, then
[15:53:20] <cradek> although of course it's still nice to have...
[15:53:39] <kwallace> No, it's not easy. My HNC has a hex socket on the end of the screws which is handy.
[15:53:50] <cradek> haha we had the same thoughts
[15:54:06] <cradek> you guys'll have to add the override-limit checkbox then
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[15:55:26] <skunkworks> That is how the K&T is - hex head sockets to engauge the leadscrews
[15:55:47] <skunkworks> (although the conversion removed the y axis one...)
[15:57:24] <pcw_home> That reminds me, someone posted a link to a rotary broach, I had not seem one before, thought it was pretty clever
[15:57:25] <pcw_home> (shows how up to date I am, it was invented in 1914)
[15:57:59] <skunkworks> the wobbley kind?
[15:58:05] <pcw_home> yeah
[15:58:33] <cradek> I read that as "shows how up to date I am, I was invented in 1914"
[15:58:58] <pcw_home> not quite that old
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[15:59:21] <kwallace2> Damn ISP.
[16:01:01] <kwallace2> There is a push to remove buttons or DROs if possible, let alone adding any.
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[16:02:17] <pcw_home> rescue tab?
[16:02:42] <kwallace2> ?
[16:03:21] <pcw_home> fixit screen?
[16:03:50] <pcw_home> maintenance mode?
[16:04:34] <seb_kuzminsky> when you switch to that screen you should be greeted by this:
http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/black-dynamite-you-done-fucked-up-now.gif
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[16:06:36] <cradek> no,
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/234/765/b7e.jpg
[16:07:01] <kwallace2> When I crash PPi a window pops up and offers to connect you to customer support, and another to upload a log, or something similar. I haven't played with it.
[16:08:36] <pcw_home> seb_kuzminsky: lol!
[16:14:17] <skunkworks> kwallace2, really - it should yell at you and give you a non descriptive error. (you know - how everyone thinks linux is)
[16:15:02] <kwallace2> http://wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-error_1.png http://wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-error_2.png http://wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-error_3.png
[16:16:11] <kwallace2> Selecting Remote Support doesn't seem to do anything, yet.
[16:16:24] <cradek> what's an update package?
[16:17:26] <kwallace2> Dunno. Maybe a download or USB stick.
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[16:48:34] <pcw_home> I'm a bit surprised they didn't use a USB stick for install
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[17:04:57] <kwallace2> My guess is that DVD's are more common than USB sticks with existing customers.
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[17:10:28] <pcw_home> Yeah but an order of magnitude less reliable
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[17:14:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm surprised they didn't use the existing debian packaging, and the -dev package to build their gui against
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[19:17:17] <cradek> > One good thing is that cutter comp works within subroutines now. A major plus.
[19:19:23] <cradek> > no hiccup in the contour that I saw, Mach would stop and start at certain points during the long contour in a random fashion, each time it makes a small hickey in the finish
[19:19:53] <cradek> seems like a lot of good news
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[19:32:25] <skunkworks> cradek, yes
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[19:33:10] <skunkworks> The consensus so far seems to be - hey - not so bad..
[19:35:33] <skunkworks> wow - 6 laptops that won't run a newish linux.. (video issues - intel i915, Trident Microsystems XGI Volari XP5)
[19:38:51] <cradek> skunkworks: thanks for pointing people at the docs so I didn't have to
[19:40:04] <cradek> > Warning: If the X Y coordinates specified are not the current coordinates when calling G33.1 for tapping the move will not be along the Z axis but will rapid move from the current location to the X Y location specified.
[19:40:09] <cradek> this is totally wrong, isn't it?
[19:41:52] <PCW> must resist asking forum poster what specific part of the GPL is Tormach violating
[19:42:45] <cradek> well I see "vmax" didn't take my advice
[19:43:49] <cradek> PCW: I think that would be a very useful question, if you're bold enough to step in
[19:44:20] <PCW> here goes....
[19:44:46] <cradek> he calls a link directly to the faq entry answering his exact question "not having a clue either"
[19:44:56] <cradek> I'm really sad for him
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[20:04:20] <cradek> hm, when testing that doc bug, I find tapping is not quite right in 2.7
[20:05:13] <seb_kuzminsky> uh-oh, what's wrong with it?
[20:05:24] <cradek> I'm making a bug
[20:05:37] <seb_kuzminsky> [A
[20:06:19] <seb_kuzminsky> err
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[20:16:47] <cradek> https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/420/
[20:17:36] <seb_kuzminsky> oh man
[20:18:59] <cradek> I broke several air-taps. fortunately they're very inexpensive.
[20:29:06] <skunkworks> I have broke a lot of mills lately...
[20:29:12] <skunkworks> air mills
[20:29:50] <skunkworks> same breakage in robs branch (just checking)
[20:30:09] <skunkworks> has anyone emailed rob?
[20:30:21] <cradek> surely he sees our bug reports
[20:30:22] <skunkworks> (poor guy - he touched it last..)
[20:30:24] <skunkworks> ok
[20:30:50] <seb_kuzminsky> this is what happens when we dont have automated tests of motion :-/
[20:32:08] <skunkworks> damn it! damn it all to hell!!
[20:33:27] <cradek> jeez
[20:35:28] <skunkworks> sorry
[20:35:30] <skunkworks> :)
[20:35:50] <skunkworks> so is that a 1/2 inch of movmemnt in x and z
[20:36:08] <skunkworks> no
[20:36:10] <skunkworks> wait
[20:36:45] <cradek> it's moving only 1" toward the endpoint, instead of moving to x1z1 (which is more than 1")
[20:36:59] <skunkworks> right
[20:40:16] <cradek> should probably test diagonal g33 too
[20:40:36] <skunkworks> it works
[20:40:39] <skunkworks> (jsut did it)
[20:40:46] <cradek> can you tell for sure that the pitch is right?
[20:41:28] <skunkworks> no..
[20:41:49] <PCW> tap wax?
[20:42:00] <skunkworks> about 15in/min - at 300rpm
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[20:43:35] <skunkworks> that is 20 pitch - right?
[20:43:47] <skunkworks> yah - that seems right
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[20:44:42] <cradek> yay thanks
[20:45:00] <cradek> I bet we'd see if it was off by sqrt2
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[21:00:42] <skunkworks> heh - we have a laser at work here using gecko servo drives.. When they get hot - the are under danmpened. (change in direction shows a nice ring..)
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[21:59:46] <Tom_itx> ok PCW any updates on the J1900 boards? or is there a better one out there to grab?
[22:00:13] <Tom_itx> i'm about to get something right soon and don't wanna get stuck with a non working parallel port
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[22:00:45] <Tom_itx> i haven't heard anything else except adam3999's issues with it
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[22:26:22] <Tom_itx> does that G3258 come in a small footprint board?
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[22:28:52] <skunkworks> zlog:
[22:28:52] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
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[22:47:28] <kwallace_T770> Probing and vises was mentioned earlier. Was probing for adjusting the vise or adjusting the coordinate system to match the vise?
[22:52:41] <PCW> The ASROCK one I mentioned works fine
[22:53:14] <Tom_itx> i will probably go with that one
[22:53:53] <PCW> You can get a LGA1150 Mini-ITX MB for a G3258 but its more $ of course and needs a fan
[22:54:08] <Tom_itx> yeah i like the idea of fanless too
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