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[00:52:55] <wortley> I can write code to test this, but does variable create what is essentially a global as far as the functions in a component using the component generator are concerned, or is it static space that is private to only the main function in .comp file?
[00:53:32] <wortley> (meaning FUNCTION(_) )?
[00:54:00] <andypugh> They are normally globals so that the setup code can do things.
[00:54:29] <wortley> Man, Andy--What are you doing up at this hour!! :)
[00:54:50] <wortley> GOOD. That is what I hoped to hear.
[00:55:04] <wortley> Thank you!
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[00:55:37] <andypugh> It’s only 1am here today. I was here at 3am last night.
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[00:56:36] <wortley> I know they tend to start work a little later in the morning in Europe, but I am definitely not at the top of my game on 5 hours sleep :)
[00:59:02] <wortley> I used grep and wc to count how many .c's and .comps your name was in -- It came up with 54. That's a lot of different pieces of hardware you have worked on.
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[01:02:08] <andypugh> That many? I admit to being surprised.
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[01:07:43] <wortley> The power of a habbit. I used to record ALL of my notes at work in composition books. I had about 1 filled per year. People would look at the stack I had after 10 years and thought I had some sort of problem.
[01:09:05] <wortley> So it appears that even though a typedef comes AFTER the declarations at the beginning of .comp file, the typedef can be used with variable to declare a fancy type instead of using junk base types.
[01:11:12] <wortley> Wait. Nope. Maybe not...
[01:17:56] <wortley> So if I add a header file and put my typedefs in there, it appears I can use non-native data types for variables. If I put function protoypes in there, will tha work just like a normal C program too?
[01:24:52] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05mozmck/new-deb-conf 977237a 06linuxcnc 10debian/configure build: don't depend on libudev * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=977237a
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[01:30:27] <PCW> so libudev wasn't needed? (seems I always had to add it manually)
[01:31:29] <seb_kuzminsky> libudev is needed to run uspace packages, and the uspace deb depends on it whether or not we explicitly call it out
[01:31:44] <seb_kuzminsky> the tools that build debian packages notice that we link against it, and add the dependency for us
[01:32:11] <seb_kuzminsky> libudev-dev is needed as a build-dependency for building uspace debs, and we need to call that out explicitly, and we do still after that commit
[01:33:07] <PCW> OK
[01:34:25] <seb_kuzminsky> if you install the deb everything should be automatic & awesome, if you build rip you have to manage the dependencies manually
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[01:38:32] <PCW> its great the package system does all that
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[02:48:56] <wortley> Can I get a volunteer to please explain to me how a variable from my pin definitions gets into a private function for use with a plain old variable name? Is there some sort of C variable aliasing mojo I should know about?
[02:51:25] <wortley> For example, I declared a "variable" with variable int sp; in a .comp file.
[02:51:45] <wortley> It see that it becomes part of the __comp_state data structure.
[02:52:02] <wortley> I see a pointer to it gets passed to every function defined with the FUNCTION macro.
[02:52:26] <wortley> But I don't understand how I can call it "sp" as in sp=10; and actually have something happen.
[02:52:51] <wortley> as far as I can tell "sp" doesn't exist. Just __comp_inst->sp.
[02:53:41] <wortley> nevermind. #define sp _comp_inst->sp
[02:53:43] <wortley> do!
[02:54:04] <wortley> while (1) { smack forhead() };
[02:54:24] <wortley> #define forhead forehead
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[04:28:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.6/axis-jog-speed 87a898a 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py axis gui: rename joint_mode to teleop_mode * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=87a898a
[04:28:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.6/axis-jog-speed c86acbc 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py axis gui: fix teleop jog speeds * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c86acbc
[04:28:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.6/axis-jog-speed 48ee6b0 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py axis gui: fix jog speed in Free mode * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=48ee6b0
[04:29:01] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd appreciate a review on that branch
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[13:49:08] <skunkworks> pcw_home, so glad that the 5i25/6i25 was used by tormach. Congrats!
[13:49:42] <skunkworks> (no wonder why you have been so busy over the last few months..)
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[14:09:11] <mozmck> skunkworks: does tormach really sell that many machines?
[14:09:23] <skunkworks> they must..
[14:10:12] <mozmck> interesting.
[14:10:57] <skunkworks> seems they are selling the upgrade kit for the price of hardware...
[14:11:10] <mozmck> Yes, that is what it looked like.
[14:11:54] <skunkworks> my thought is they are probably weighing the support costs of mach vs linuxcnc
[14:12:42] <mozmck> yes, and the uncertainty of mach4, and you still can't just go in and fix or change something.
[14:13:27] <skunkworks> right
[14:13:28] <mozmck> I think Andreas picked a fitting nick on youtube :)
[14:13:43] <archivist> and the hardware mach relies on is all propriety too where mesa is very friendly
[14:13:44] <skunkworks> I have not read the comments
[14:14:06] <mozmck> Moronicsmurf
[14:16:52] <mozmck> archivist: true, and I'm not sure Mach4 can do the same level of control yet as linuxcnc with mesa. Mach3 does not have realtime communication with any of the external hardware.
[14:17:45] <mozmck> which means that boards like the SmoothStepper (USB and Ethernet) have to do homing in the hardware, and numbers of other things.
[14:18:13] <archivist> the ability to gear axes is far ahead of anything that they can do too
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[14:27:39] <skunkworks> and any new mach bells and whistle need to be added to the hardware... vs linuxcnc - any new things ie rigid tapping are available to all hardware.
[14:29:39] <mozmck> Yes, I'm painfully aware of that with Mach3 :) I don't know if Mach4 is any better in that regard either.
[14:32:01] <mozmck> If Tormach developed their own GUI, then it's quite possible that it does not have to be made open source I think.
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[14:41:20] <skunkworks> if anything - from what I have read is is worse.. Relying on external motion devices more
[14:42:15] <skunkworks> (mach4)
[14:42:59] <skunkworks> and from some un-named people - the trajectory planner is exactly the same as mach3..
[14:43:12] <archivist> if the rats are now leaving that sinking ship, I wonder what will happen to it
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[15:01:05] <CaptHindsight> it runs on winders, they will still get all that business
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[15:02:23] <skunkworks> kwallace_shop1, great work..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFSy0RoFyGM
[15:06:38] <archivist> I think since win8 lots of escapees
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[15:16:18] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: i'm not sure if that's true about the gui, i'd have to look at the licensing for our ui nml code
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[15:21:03] <mozmck> ah, the library?
[15:21:09] <mozmck> didn't think of that.
[15:21:23] <mozmck> HAL allows closed source components
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[15:24:23] <micges> seb_kuzminsky: nml.hh and rcs.hh both got LGPL
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[15:25:49] <seb_kuzminsky> i think there's a mixture of gpl and lgpl in the code-pile (i won't call it a library!) that the UIs use to talk to Task
[15:26:06] <micges> but emc.hh and emc_nml.hh have GPL
[15:26:25] <seb_kuzminsky> looks like they use gremlin too, which is gpl
[15:27:42] <micges> yeah code-pile is a good description ;)
[15:27:48] <mozmck> heh!
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[15:32:41] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Bence Kovacs 052.6 24c590b 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/drivers/hal_gm.c Fix RS485 DAC problem, when DAC has zero V output. * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=24c590b
[15:35:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 55e235b 06linuxcnc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.6' into 2.7 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=55e235b
[15:35:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Bence Kovacs 052.7 ee8908a 06linuxcnc 10src/Makefile 10src/hal/drivers/gm.h 10src/hal/drivers/hal_gm.c Add USPACE support * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee8908a
[15:35:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Bence Kovacs 052.7 7f43591 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/drivers/hal_gm.c License changed, because some function required it under Ubuntu * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f43591
[15:37:49] <seb_kuzminsky> btw, jepler and i started cleaning up the ui interface code, in the branch called liblinuxcnc-ui
[15:38:01] <seb_kuzminsky> once 2.7 settles down i hope to pick that work up again
[15:38:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master 5718f6f 06linuxcnc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5718f6f
[15:41:21] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[18:05:05] <skunkworks> pcw_home, what came first? tormach or the 5i25?
[18:05:51] <pcw_home> umm Tormach was in business before we made the 5I25
[18:06:36] <skunkworks> heh - I mean did tormach want a db25 solution and you made it?
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[18:08:57] <pcw_home> Yes I think they suggested it
[18:09:36] <skunkworks> (now that I think about the converstaions with tormach at their fest - A lot of things are clearerer..) :)
[18:09:55] <pcw_home> clearererer?
[18:10:19] <skunkworks> I think it is a awesome idea - it allows people to 'upgrade' pretty easy (using their existing bobs) with a ton of future expandabillity
[18:10:31] <skunkworks> exactly
[18:10:32] <pcw_home> (PCW found a new old M keyboard under the house)
[18:10:43] <skunkworks> wow - does it work?
[18:10:55] <skunkworks> I bet chris would buy it from you :)
[18:11:07] <skunkworks> well - he probably has dozens..
[18:11:21] <pcw_home> much better than the one I spilled 1/2 cup of coffe on
[18:11:28] <skunkworks> oops
[18:11:41] <pcw_home> may have spiders though
[18:16:40] <Connor> I'm betting Tormach wishes they didn't have "Mach" in their name.. :)
[18:17:02] <pcw_home> :-)
[18:22:23] <Connor> I love that they made the switch away from Mach. Still a few die-hard fans of Mach out there.. saying "it works great for them" etc..
[18:22:34] <Connor> I loath the idea of Windows running my CNC machines.
[18:23:07] <pcw_home> Yeah
[18:23:25] <Connor> pcw_home: Congrats on them choosing Mesa BTW
[18:23:54] <Connor> So, Did they help bring 5i25 6i25 into existence ?
[18:24:02] <pcw_home> Thanks Good to have some linuxcnc OEMs
[18:24:36] <pcw_home> Well I think they suggested making a DB25 FPGA card
[18:25:03] <Connor> I.E. The Super Port! :)
[18:25:41] <pcw_home> well that was my silly name
[18:25:54] <Connor> Not silly.
[18:31:40] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, congrats peter, that's got to be good for mesa :-)
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[18:37:04] <micges> next version should be 'Uber Port' ;)
[18:38:30] <pcw_home> Yeah its first larger linuxcnc OEM
[18:39:00] <pcw_home> there are some small ones also
[18:39:06] <Connor> I swear someone on the IRC was working on the new GUI...
[18:49:53] <skunkworks> there are a few newer gui's.. gscreen, gmoccapy
[18:56:55] <ssi> the superport stuff really is nice
[18:57:18] <ssi> simplifies wiring, better physical separation of PC from control hardware
[18:57:42] <ssi> the fact that the host cards are cheaper is due more to the removal of the pci bridge than the superport, but it's a nice side benefit
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[19:04:40] <PCW> also smaller card size helps
[19:06:14] <ssi> yeah definitely... most of the cheap pcs I get for linuxcnc machines are low profile, and the 5/6i25 is a great solution
[19:07:26] <PCW> hoping the Ethernet stuff will eventually make the I/O CPU agnostic
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[19:26:48] <kwallace_shop1> Conner, Daniel Rogge is the main force behind the Tormach UI. He doesn't hang out here often, but he will be talking about the software tomorrow in a webinar:
http://www.tormach.com/pathpilot . I missed the webinar bit until I scrolled to the bottom of the page.
[19:27:46] <kwallace_shop1> Oops, not the bottom but down a little.
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[19:43:50] <seb_kuzminsky> kwallace_shop1: that'll be interesting to see
[19:48:07] <Connor> kwallace_shop1: Yea, the UI and wizards aspect are allot of what people are looking for.
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[20:53:53] <seb_kuzminsky> sweet!
[20:54:08] <seb_kuzminsky> rob ellenberg pushed to our 2.7 branch himself :-)
[20:54:52] <seb_kuzminsky> aw, but he didn't fix the indentation errors i had pointed out to him :-/
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[22:05:01] <seb_kuzminsky> ~
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[22:17:57] <PCW> hmm 3.18.7-rt1 preemt-rt seems ok...
[22:19:50] <seb_kuzminsky> did you build it or did the debian kernel folks?
[22:20:32] <PCW> built myself (didnt even change the config)
[22:21:07] <PCW> (the rt patch makes a sensible config)
[22:21:21] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[22:21:42] <PCW> make make module_install make install
[22:22:28] <PCW> seem better Ethernet latency wise but need a day or so at 4KHz to see
[22:22:41] <PCW> seems
[22:28:45] <PCW> forgot about the initrd stuff and looked all around about how to do it in a way i could understand, then turns out make install does everything
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[22:58:25] <mozmck> oh, neat. that patch is brand new
[22:58:56] <mozmck> it seems better than what? the 3.14 preemt-rt or wheezy?
[23:01:10] <PCW> wheezy is the only other rt kernel I have tried on this system
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[23:03:52] <mozmck> ok
[23:05:09] <PCW> kernel compiling +youtube videos dont seem to phase it but do mess with 3.2
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[23:11:39] <mozmck> I see, that sounds like pretty good improvement. 3.2 is pretty old now - in software years anyhow.
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