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[00:37:57] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: a wild jepler appears!
[00:38:40] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: i bumped into him elsewhere too just recently:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/02/msg00103.html
[00:39:02] <seb_kuzminsky> the dude is spreading knowledge all over the internet :-)
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[01:02:34] <andypugh> It is annoying now, whenever I search for ner-a-car images half of them are mine.
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[13:43:06] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: I was able to successfully rebase your deb-configure branch onto 2.7 I also checked and master is the same as 2.7 for those files so rebasing there would be trivial as well.
[13:45:19] <mozmck> Looking at the logs for 2.7/master since you branched, there is not much changed at all. Just a few dependencies and settings for Debian 8
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[14:49:58] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: I ran ./configure now in 2.7 and in new-deb-configure (made a couple small modifications first). So far I see one small problem. In 2.7 libudev-dev is a dependency of linuxcnc-uspace - shouldn't that just be libudev?
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[14:51:37] <mozmck> In new-deb-configure libudev-dev is not added as a dependency to linuxcnc-uspace, but it is in Build-Depends
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[15:05:47] <mozmck> another thing I notice is that the linuxcnc-dev package in 2.7 depends on g++, but in the new-deb... on build-essential and not g++
[15:06:04] <mozmck> Which is right, or should it be both?
[15:07:37] <mozmck> I see, build-essential depends on gcc and g++, so that is probably better.
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[15:24:40] <seb_kuzminsky> hey mozmck
[15:26:05] <mozmck> hi seb
[15:26:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i think you're right it's a bug in 2.7 and master that we depend on libudev-dev, that should be a build-dependency
[15:26:23] <mozmck> ok
[15:26:46] <mozmck> Looks like your stuff works well except for a couple minor things like that.
[15:27:28] <seb_kuzminsky> and i think build-depending on build-essential is an improvement over g++, it's simpler & clearer & more future-proof, without increasing the number of packages needed to build by very much
[15:27:41] <mozmck> yes, looks good to me.
[15:27:50] <seb_kuzminsky> i think both the differences you pointed out are improvements in new-deb-conf
[15:27:53] <seb_kuzminsky> ;-)
[15:28:28] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks for doing the rebase, if you fix the tcl thing & force-push the branch i'll be happy to take a look at it
[15:28:47] <mozmck> I may test a little more - I have a wheezy system I can test with also.
[15:29:00] <mozmck> what is wrong with the tcl thing?
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[15:29:48] <mozmck> is depending on tcl-dev and tk-dev not right?
[15:30:19] <mozmck> you forced tcl-8.5 for ubuntu 10.04
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[15:59:37] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: my understanding on that is kinda fuzzy, jepler told me in houston that you need to control what version of tcl you build against but i didnt really get it
[16:03:21] <seb_kuzminsky> in master (but not in 2.7) there's a new test that makes sure linuxcnc's tcl stuff isn't broken, tests/tclsh-extensions
[16:03:36] <seb_kuzminsky> whichever branch new-deb-conf lands in should have that tests
[16:03:39] <seb_kuzminsky> *test
[16:10:44] <mozmck> hmm, is that part of the packaging?
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[16:13:21] <seb_kuzminsky> it's part of both packaging and configuring/building
[16:14:11] <mozmck> how does that affect the changes to configure/control.in/rules.in?
[16:14:23] <seb_kuzminsky> during the config/build phase you need to build the tcl extensions (our tclish linuxcnc.so and hal.so) against a specific version of tcl/tk, then you need to package the debs so they depend on the right version on the users' machines
[16:14:42] <mozmck> I checked between master and 2.7 and saw no difference there.
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[16:15:13] <seb_kuzminsky> i had mistakenly (apparently) thought it was ok to just use whatever version of tcl the system installed by default (ie, to build-depend on tcl-dev instead of tcl$VERSION-dev)
[16:15:39] <mozmck> ah, so the TCLTK_VERSION stuff needs to be done in the python configure somehow.
[16:15:45] <seb_kuzminsky> so i wrote new-deb-conf's debian/configure to do that
[16:16:02] <seb_kuzminsky> but jeff objected, and wrote a test to prove me wrong
[16:16:08] <seb_kuzminsky> which i dont understand
[16:16:09] <seb_kuzminsky> :-(
[16:16:12] <mozmck> ok. I'll look at that. :)
[16:16:17] <seb_kuzminsky> and now i remember why i never finished this branch :-(
[16:16:46] <seb_kuzminsky> it may be that some distros have a tcl-dev that's fine for us, and some need to be overridden (like 10.04 apparently)
[16:16:47] <mozmck> That doesn't *sound* too hard, but maybe that's because of my ignorance :)
[16:17:02] <seb_kuzminsky> it's easy to do, but i dont know what needs to be done exactly
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[16:17:19] <seb_kuzminsky> some more stanzas like the 10.04 tcl-dev version override, but which distros & which versions?
[16:17:22] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
[16:17:34] <mozmck> bbl here too.
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[17:01:08] <REEEN> Test message (sorry)
[17:01:37] <skunkworks> Echo
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[17:06:45] <seb_kuzminsky> http://www.pbfcomics.com/271/
[17:14:09] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: i think i figured it out
[17:14:28] <seb_kuzminsky> we need python-tk, and it's built against a specific version of tk, so we need to use that version of tk too
[17:15:19] <seb_kuzminsky> on all distros(?) except lucid (10.04), the default version of tk is the version python-tk is built against, but on 10.04 tk defaults to 8.4 and python-tk is built against 8.5, so we need to override the default
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[18:40:36] <cradek> I wonder when machinekit will get around to changing the name of everything, so we avoid stuff like
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/28869-problem-in-starting-linuxcnc-raspberry-b
[18:42:26] <seb_kuzminsky> kudos to andypugh and arceye for being as civil & helpful to the poor mk user are they were
[18:42:28] <CaptHindsight> oh stop being so arrogant :)
[18:42:29] <cradek> it's not the end of the world, but it's probably quite frustrating for the (their) user
[18:42:46] <cradek> yeah, those guys are both awesome
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[18:43:20] <cradek> unfortunately rebranding is very hard and tedious :-/
[18:44:48] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, i remember how hard you and jeff et al worked on that when we had to rebrand
[18:52:11] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tormach-personal-cnc-mill/259506-tormach.html
[18:52:36] <skunkworks> heh
[18:52:38] <skunkworks> They are going to be launching their own proprietary control software and will be transitioning away from mach
[18:54:11] <cradek> they announced that they will make an announcement?
[18:54:19] <skunkworks> hype
[18:54:52] <cradek> that's gotta be a good way to kill your sales in the short term
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[18:57:55] <tjtr33> hal functions have .time pins ( eg ddt_x.time from sim/axis_mm.ini) but i have problem connecting it to a minmax comp.
[18:57:56] <tjtr33> "./core_simFunctionLatencyMax.hal:50: Pin 'ddt_x.time' does not exist"
[18:58:09] <tjtr33> trying to automate some latency testing
[18:58:36] <micges> those are params not pins
[18:59:35] <tjtr33> so i can only plot thx
[18:59:49] <micges> yeah
[19:00:14] <tjtr33> this data typing is unfriendly ;)
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[19:14:38] <seb_kuzminsky> tjtr33: a patch to convert the function time params to output pins would be welcome
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[19:18:38] <tjtr33> seb_kuzminsky, trying to write one now. trying to capture the c output of the 'halcomp' tool to look at the c src
[19:19:17] <tjtr33> like where are these variables like 'period' and 'fperiod' listed
[19:20:12] <tjtr33> ( sec 12.1 of hal manual & the src for ddt.comp )
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[19:46:47] <PCW> I guess the reason they are not scaled to nS is that that would require a floating point thread (or do all threads have FP now?)
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[19:59:42] <tjtr33> seb_kuzminsky, PCW hack params to pins in halcompile ?
http://pastebin.com/GEEmR0Sg
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[20:21:41] <skunkworks> zlog
[20:21:41] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-02-13.html
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[20:47:26] <tjtr33> what creates the .time parameter? its not in the .c output of halcompile --perprocess blah.comp
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[21:23:07] <tjtr33> i dont think the .time param is in the comp itself. it something aligned with the comp at runtime. i cant see it in the .ko file
[21:28:07] <micges> tjtr33: .time is created directly by hallib while creating realtime function structure
[21:30:05] <tjtr33> thx
[21:32:16] <tjtr33> new->runtime = 0; sheesh!
[21:32:42] <tjtr33> code that cant be specified by the source files
[21:33:39] <tjtr33> can the new pins be hacked into hallib.c then ?
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[21:36:15] <micges> what pins?
[21:37:59] <tjtr33> create a .time pin, like the .time param, so we can monitor real latency of function calls
[21:40:56] <tjtr33> line 1700 of hal_lib.c " hal_param_s32_new(buf, HAL_RO, &(new->runtime), comp_id); change to make a hal pin for debugging
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[21:44:40] <tjtr33> thx miges, gotta stop cant stare at lcd this long. faded grey text on white text srceen = migrane
[21:45:23] <micges> heh change to green on black :D
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[21:48:22] <tjtr33> ahhhh thanks!
[21:48:41] <tjtr33> ( chgd the irc colors )
[21:50:15] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: so does that mean the configure as you have it is fine?
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[22:21:26] <dgarr> tjtr33: seb_kuzminsky a patch to convert .time params to pins (tested briefly on uspace 2.7 precise):
[22:21:27] <dgarr> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/0001-hal_lib-change-.time-item-from-parameter-to-pin.patch
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[22:39:11] <tjtr33> dgarr, thx, will try as soon as i can focus
[22:39:46] <tjtr33> exactly where id hack it ( heh so very suspect :)
[22:42:39] <dgarr> ok -- let us know, i had worked on this for my own use a long time ago. it might be usefult to make a conp and utility for histogramming .time pins
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[22:47:29] <tjtr33> i was thinking just connecting to minmax comp and using halmeter, but plots are more informative. timestamps moreso
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