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[14:47:32] <skunksleep> pcw_home: when are you expecting the 7i73 in?
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[15:34:42] <pcw_home> Uh oh, we found one and they shipped to to someone, I thought it was you :-(
[15:35:14] <pcw_home> they kit is there so it should not be too long
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[16:12:11] <mozmck> pcw_home: did you ever figure out how to get NetworkManager to not touch the interface that the 7i80 is attached to?
[16:13:09] <pcw_home> Yes theres a token you can use to make it ignore an interface
[16:18:40] <pcw_home> http://askubuntu.com/questions/21914/how-can-i-make-networkmanager-ignore-my-wireless-card
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[16:22:14] <mozmck> ok, I found that information about the networkmanger.conf managed=false and wanted to make sure you had found it or something that worked.
[16:24:22] <pcw_home> well... I didnt actually try it yet because Ive been swapping MBs around so
[16:24:23] <pcw_home> its easier to just click on an interface name for that MB to enable it
[16:26:13] <mozmck> That is set in my NetworkManager.conf by default, and I think in Debian wheezy as well, so simply adding the interface to /etc/network/interfaces as per the instructions here should work:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/hm2_eth.9.html
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[16:27:48] <pcw_home> This method looks to be the easiest
[16:27:49] <pcw_home> unmanaged-devices=interface-name:eth3
[16:30:02] <pcw_home> the stuff in the hm2 manpage prevents linux from sending packets on the RT interface
[16:30:04] <pcw_home> but for a real machine you would also want to disable the network manager from poking at the interface
[16:33:11] <mozmck> Yes, but if [ifupdown] managed=false is set then any interface listed in /etc/network/interfaces should be ignored by NetworkManager altogether.
[16:33:57] <mozmck> So it looks like the unmanged-devices=.... should not need to be used
[16:34:45] <mozmck> https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
[16:34:49] <pcw_home> OK maybe but dont wnt to lose the ability for NM to manage normal interfaces
[16:35:32] <mozmck> yes, so for normal interfaces, just don't mention them in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:35:50] <pcw_home> OK I see so if you use the older interfaces method its supposed to leave them alone
[16:36:06] <mozmck> yes, looks like.
[16:36:24] <mozmck> and that is the default setting in debian and linux mint - probably ubuntu as well.
[16:36:31] <pcw_home> I'll have to give that a try
[16:36:45] <mozmck> there is just usually nothing in the /etc/network/interfaces file anymore.
[16:37:51] <mozmck> mine has: "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" and that is all.
[16:37:56] <mozmck> by default
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[16:41:43] <skunkworks> pcw_home: no problem.
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[17:49:48] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: rob ellenberg and i would like to pick your brains about TP testing sometime - i think you have more experience in this area than anyone
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[17:56:30] <skunkworks> sure - but all I really do is run large scary programs and make sure they don't violate...
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[17:58:35] <skunkworks> I do stand on one foot at the time though...
[18:00:09] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[18:04:12] <skunkworks> I could see some runtesst though running through gcode looking for constraint violations..
[18:05:51] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, that's one class of test that would be useful
[18:06:42] <seb_kuzminsky> the other class is smaller tests of just a handful of hal changes and/or motion commands, without task & interp & the rest of linuxcnc running
[18:07:38] <seb_kuzminsky> something like this:
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=rss;h=refs/heads/seb/2.7/sam
[18:08:12] <seb_kuzminsky> you currently check for constraint violations with a pyvcp panel that tracks the max & min accels, right?
[18:08:34] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe we could connect accel to a window comparator, to the estop chain
[18:10:04] <seb_kuzminsky> rob wants to do a google hangout instead of irc, are you free tonight at 10 PM mountain time?
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[18:17:42] <seb_kuzminsky> well hi rob_ellenberg
[18:18:02] <rob_ellenberg> hi, just got x-chat installed
[18:18:06] <rob_ellenberg> much easier than the web client
[18:18:09] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[18:18:33] <seb_kuzminsky> sam (skunkworks) and i were just chatting about motion-testing
[18:18:42] <rob_ellenberg> good timing :)
[18:19:13] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm at my dayjob and can't get very deep into this right now, but how does 10 PM Mountain sound for more discussion?
[18:21:09] <rob_ellenberg> That's good for me
[18:21:20] <seb_kuzminsky> great!
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[18:22:02] <micges> seb_kuzminsky: what's current Mountain time?
[18:22:22] <seb_kuzminsky> last time i thought about testing Motion, i imagined a "stand-alone motion" module comparable to our stand-alone interpreter, the prototype is here:
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=rss;h=refs/heads/seb/2.7/sam
[18:22:30] <seb_kuzminsky> micges: it's currently 11:22
[18:22:34] <seb_kuzminsky> (AM)
[18:22:37] <micges> thanks
[18:26:35] <rob_ellenberg> I'll take a look at that branch. I like the idea of testing in user-space
[18:26:51] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, me too
[18:27:03] <seb_kuzminsky> and i like the idea of testing outside of realtime
[18:27:55] <seb_kuzminsky> in tests/motion/g0 there is an early attempt at testing motion in realtime, with a complete linuxcnc setup running around it, and it was a bit of a hassle
[18:29:08] <seb_kuzminsky> zlog: link pls
[18:29:08] <zlog> seb_kuzminsky: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-02-03.html
[18:29:56] <seb_kuzminsky> rob_ellenberg: here's the brief conversation skunkworks and i had before you came:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-02-03.html#12:10:21
[18:32:06] <rob_ellenberg> Having some tests in realtime would be handy, at least to catch dumb floating point errors
[18:33:45] <rob_ellenberg> Also, the configs in the current TP test folder are set up to abort on velocity / accel violations
[18:33:46] <seb_kuzminsky> realtime vs non-realtime for uspace shouldnt matter for floating point issues, but userspace vs kernelspace sure could
[18:34:08] <seb_kuzminsky> rob_ellenberg: abort/estop seems like a good way to signal test failure
[18:34:32] <rob_ellenberg> yeah, that makes sense, do some testing in the kernel
[18:35:52] <seb_kuzminsky> we have several tests that run the real Motion, but that don't pay close attention to the time-series of joint coordinates that it emits
[18:36:24] <seb_kuzminsky> when those tests run on RTAI buildslaves, we get *some* of that kind of coverage - build Motion for kernelspace and make sure it loads and runs
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[18:37:18] <cradek> at fest I think jepler added support for single-stepping a thread. it seems like you could usefully analyze motion by doing that
[18:37:35] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah! did he finish that?
[18:37:41] <cradek> trying to find it now
[18:40:26] <cradek> I can't find it
[18:40:35] <seb_kuzminsky> i can't either
[18:41:17] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl dayjob
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[18:42:44] <rob_ellenberg> cool, talk to you tonight
[18:44:29] <cradek> I must be wrong
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[18:54:39] <seb_kuzminsky> i've only been wrong one time, and that was when i thought i was wrong but i was actually right
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[19:03:34] <cradek> it was wrong of you to say that
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[19:26:09] <skunkworks> I should be able to make it - That is 11:00 here if my calculations are correct..
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