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[14:03:11] <skunkworks> there are 2 outstanding issues with robs branch. Fails interp/bad and 'Already Splitting on ID...' error.
[14:04:03] <skunkworks> The 'Already Splitting on ID...' is not new - it is acutally in 2.7. I have not seen it cause any constraint violations.
[14:04:26] <skunkworks> Rob would like to fix it though
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[15:31:31] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: cool, tanks
[15:31:33] <seb_kuzminsky> *thanks
[15:31:44] <seb_kuzminsky> also: sob (but that's easy)
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[15:33:34] <skunkworks> righty
[15:33:35] <skunkworks> right
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[21:24:02] <andypugh> Does the tool-path history in the Axis preview show the commanded position or the feedback position? (Or does it depend on what the DRO is set to show? )
[21:25:31] <seb_kuzminsky> feedback, i think
[21:26:24] <cradek> commanded, I think
[21:26:43] <cradek> I'd check the source :-)
[21:26:54] <alex_joni> feedback
[21:27:13] <alex_joni> with encoders you can move the cone by hand ..
[21:27:24] <alex_joni> (at least it used to..)
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[21:36:00] <seb_kuzminsky> alex_joni: i assume you're in estop when you're doing that? i think i estop, motion's command follows the feedback, so it doesn't jump when you come out of estop later
[21:36:10] <cradek> double pt[9] = { status->motion.traj.position.tran.x - status->task.toolOffset.tran.x, ...
[21:39:01] <cradek> so yeah, commanded
[21:39:45] <cradek> if it was actual, encoder jitter would quickly fill up the whole thing
[21:40:00] <cradek> while stopped, I mean
[21:41:42] <alex_joni> seb_kuzminsky: ah, right.. that must be it
[21:42:00] <alex_joni> even if not in estop. if you move more than ferror, it will quickly go to estop
[21:42:33] <cradek> to machine off
[21:42:49] <alex_joni> that
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[21:46:21] <andypugh> Right, so bad servo tuning can’t show up in the Axis toolpath?
[21:49:57] <cradek> don't think so
[21:50:05] <cradek> what are you working on?
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[21:52:28] <skunkworks> there is show commanded postion vs actual position.. does that also do the preview?
[21:52:55] <cradek> nope
[21:58:02] <skunkworks> wait - if you move the axis around manually - the plot moves.. so it is displaying feedback..
[21:58:45] <alex_joni> nope
[21:59:00] <alex_joni> I assumed the same, but if you move it by hand you probably are in machine off state
[21:59:14] <alex_joni> and in machine off, lcnc just takes the feedback and loops it back as command
[21:59:34] <alex_joni> (so on the next machine on, there's no difference between command and feedback and you get a jump)
[21:59:39] <skunkworks> huh
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[22:50:33] <andypugh> cradek: It’s a forum question. He gets funny-shaped circles, but they look funny on the preview. So I think we can conclude that it is nothing to do with servo tuning.
[22:54:12] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/28813-oblong-pockets-odd-geometry-root-cause-ideas#55349
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[23:13:24] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-26%2012:27:40.png
[23:13:46] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-26%2017:09:32.png
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[23:13:54] <skunkworks> new/old trajectory planner
[23:15:30] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: the gui runs in non-realtime, so it only samples the machine position when it feels like it
[23:15:56] <seb_kuzminsky> if the machine follows a nice circle but the gui only updates a few times as it goes around, it'll look like a polygon
[23:16:47] <andypugh> It looks like a tight-circle and low-accel problem initially.
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[23:17:18] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: is the 12:27:40 picture the new tp in 2.7? and the 17:09:32 is from 2.6?
[23:17:21] <andypugh> The problem is that the machine is _not_ following a nice circle
[23:17:43] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: yikes
[23:18:24] <andypugh> (Not my machine)
[23:19:25] <seb_kuzminsky> OP has 200 us latency, that might be acceptable since they're using mesa hardware
[23:20:27] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: i like your suggestion of lowering speed and observing the purple line
[23:21:06] <andypugh> I learn a lot from trying to answer questions :-)
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[23:21:27] <PCW> a 120 ipm 200 usec is only a bogus 0.4 mill indicated error so not too likely to cause trouble
[23:22:07] <PCW> and likely only for a single sample
[23:25:37] <skunkworks> seb - 17:09:32 is 2.6 - 12:27:40 is from robs branch based on 2.7. performance should be pretty close to the same.
[23:25:58] <seb_kuzminsky> ool
[23:26:00] <seb_kuzminsky> *c
[23:26:20] <seb_kuzminsky> let's pretend that we dont see the constraint violation in 2.6
[23:26:25] <PCW> I am in a flurry of cut/pasting DPLL sampling of the quadrature encoders into hm2 ATM so even that glitch will be fixable
[23:26:26] <PCW> but I think low accel or some other TP setup problem seems most likely
[23:26:58] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: you noticed that?
[23:27:02] <seb_kuzminsky> no
[23:27:56] <skunkworks> :) there are some pretty large acc violations in 2.6 under certain situations.. large as in 5in/s^2 higher.. (nothing like mach) ;)
[23:29:17] <PCW> probably impossible to notice without measuring though
[23:30:09] <skunkworks> I was seeing some odd blending in 2.6 with arcs and high speeds - could that be the issue?
[23:31:42] <micges> skunkworks: got sample gcode violating acc?
[23:33:11] <micges> (in 2.6)
[23:34:13] <seb_kuzminsky> g-code & matching ini would be interesting
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[23:36:16] <skunkworks> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.devel/14024/match=constraint
[23:37:17] <seb_kuzminsky> SPACOUT1.ngc
[23:37:19] <seb_kuzminsky> thx
[23:37:31] <seb_kuzminsky> ooh, it's nice & short too
[23:38:45] <seb_kuzminsky> do you have the ini that you saw the problem on?
[23:38:52] <seb_kuzminsky> was it a standard sim config?
[23:39:48] <skunkworks> umm... I would have to look.
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[23:44:06] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll just try it win sim/axis and bug you if that doesnt do it
[23:46:49] <skunkworks> I think it was just my standard 30in/s^2 acc and 500ipm config.
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[23:59:57] <Tom_itx> PCW, i was supposed to remind you about something today...
