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[00:38:27] <andypugh> I am playing with Autodesk Inventor HSM Expres CAM. It has an EMC postprocessor. I wonder how we persuade them to change the name?
[00:41:38] <Tom_itx> explain the issue to them
[00:41:52] <Tom_itx> link the note about it
[00:41:59] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure where it is now...
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[00:44:04] <skunkworks> robs latest branch solves the issues with non moving axis (vel/acc) effecting moving axis...
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[01:08:30] <mozmck> skunkworks: has that been merged into master or is it something new?
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[01:27:09] <skunkworks> there was some issues found that rob is fixing.. not in master yet
[01:33:19] <mozmck> ok
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[02:19:53] <cradek> > Yes, there is a sensor board on that motor but that is just a convenient picture I found on line, I do not have a sensor
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[02:20:20] <cradek> ha, wow was I scrolled back
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[02:26:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 052.7 18a933a 06linuxcnc 10(18 files in 15 dirs) Remove probe_parport, which is unneeded since we now cooperate with parport_pc * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=18a933a
[02:26:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 05cradek/remove-probe-parport 7cd12f1 06linuxcnc 04. branch deleted * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cd12f1
[02:32:14] <seb_kuzminsky> aww yea
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[03:00:19] <cradek> ha, thinking back to the old cvs irc bot who gave one announcement for every directory you touched
[03:10:26] <pcw_home> Nice that that didn't...
[03:11:40] <Tom_itx> PCW, do you think i should add loading the config with mesaflash to the bitfile tutorial for the newer boards?
[03:11:50] <Tom_itx> or leave it as a separate utility
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[03:13:55] <pcw_home> You might just mention the mesaflash is the tool for loading flash based FPGA cards
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[03:14:57] <pcw_home> (or programming non flash ones as well or reading IDROM contents etc etc, its kind of a swiss Army Knife)
[03:15:21] <Tom_itx> can i read content on older cards with it as well?
[03:15:28] <Tom_itx> i never used it until now...
[03:15:41] <pcw_home> Yes
[03:16:46] <pcw_home> the latest can print out sserial remote data bases as well
[03:16:59] <Tom_itx> 3.1?
[03:17:02] <Tom_itx> nice
[03:17:09] <Tom_itx> i'll be trying that out soon
[03:17:32] <Tom_itx> just by addressing the primary card?
[03:17:47] <pcw_home> I think 3.2 is needed for that (also eventually should be able to make .xml files)
[03:18:06] <Tom_itx> is 3.2 available now?
[03:18:15] <pcw_home> I dont know if it support multiple cards
[03:18:17] <Tom_itx> i just downloaded 3.1 not that long ago
[03:18:42] <pcw_home> No its not released, these are just rumors....
[03:23:23] <pcw_home> What nice is the mesaflash works on the PCI (both Flash and older non flash), EPP, Ethernet, and maybe even serial FPGA cards
[03:23:30] <pcw_home> is that
[03:24:05] <Tom_itx> things just keep getting better...
[03:25:16] <pcw_home> just initialized 50 7I92s with mesaflash today
[03:26:20] <Tom_itx> default configs?
[03:27:07] <pcw_home> you can program flash with JTAG but its terribly slow so I program the FPGA with JTAG, then run mesaflash
[03:27:08] <pcw_home> to install the fallback and default config (7I92 is ethernet)
[03:27:36] <Tom_itx> nice, is it about ready to hit the store?
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[03:27:48] <pcw_home> tommorow
[03:28:05] <Tom_itx> i bet skunkworks wants to own #1
[03:28:32] <pcw_home> He already has a Ethernet FPGA card from us
[03:28:50] <skunkworks> heh - what is the 7i92?
[03:29:22] <mozmck> a baby 7i80 ;)
[03:29:26] <pcw_home> low cost limited I/O Ethernet FPGA card (basically a Ethernet 5I25)
[03:29:46] <pcw_home> same price as 5I25
[03:31:18] <mozmck> could they have two IDC headers instead of one IDC and one DB25?
[03:32:58] <pcw_home> Yeah thats planned (already have a male DB25 connector version)
[03:33:14] <mozmck> ok, good!
[03:33:34] <mozmck> might order some tomorrow.
[03:33:43] <cradek> ooh!
[03:41:44] <mozmck> hmm, building needs tclx in joints_axes7?
[03:43:49] <skunkworks> yes
[03:43:59] <skunkworks> 2.6 on I think..
[03:44:34] <mozmck> I was building 2.7 without it...
[03:44:47] <skunkworks> it was added about a month ago..
[03:45:10] <mozmck> hmm, I know I've built since then
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[04:00:23] <Tom_itx> wiki updated
[04:01:49] <skunkworks> well - you can never have too many fpga's
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[06:11:38] <alex_joni> skunkworks: both
[06:15:38] <alex_joni> I mean both good and bad (good there's plenty to do, bad there's no time for other stuff ;)
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[18:21:13] <mozmck> When de-referencing a pointer in a structure - like this *(hal->pinthatdoesstuff), is there any real reason to use the () other than readability? If I just use *hal->pinthatdoesstuff I guess it kinda looks to me like it would be de-referencing hal.
[18:28:46] <seb_kuzminsky> using parentheses to show what you want is never wrong, imo
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[18:31:20] <mozmck> That's been my general rule too. But *(hal->pinthatdoesstuff) does look funny to me.
[18:32:59] <seb_kuzminsky> looks fine to me ;-)
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[18:41:10] <mozmck> I'll get used to it :)
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[19:48:34] <skunkworks> heh
https://github.com/robEllenberg/linuxcnc-mirror/commit/29d882b0f0fdc63dbd6200a73503d68524cb4a9e
[19:49:12] <skunkworks> I have run through a lot of test programs and no issues...
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[20:09:58] <PCW> is that too late for 2.7
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[20:22:11] <micges> PCW: I think 2.7 is waiting for those fixes
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[21:05:26] <mozmck> hmm, steinkuehler made a gantry component that looks interesting for a possible quick fix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XhIoDV8Hp8
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[21:36:23] <mozmck> cradek: does haberler's list of problems with jaX look right to you? interesting that he posted this just after we started looking at it :)
https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/issues/438
[21:37:58] <cradek> he's right about wheel axis jogs not being done
[21:38:40] <cradek> I thought UI jogging worked, maybe he's talking about their own UIs, hard to say
[21:39:06] <cradek> kins, no idea, inverse-only has been moderately broken forever, probably not a ja-specific problem
[21:39:08] <mozmck> what is wheel joggin?
[21:39:23] <cradek> you know, the realtime jogwheel thing
[21:39:31] <cradek> it jogs joints
[21:39:37] <mozmck> mpg?
[21:39:37] <cradek> ideally it would be able to jog axes too
[21:39:42] <cradek> yeah that
[21:39:46] <mozmck> i see.
[21:39:56] <cradek> but that's new functionality that would be nice, and not a reason to not merge, IMO
[21:40:08] <mozmck> what about jogging more than one axis at a time?
[21:40:10] <cradek> joint-only wheel jogging would be no worse than today
[21:40:20] <mozmck> Ok.
[21:40:22] <cradek> don't know, let me know what you find
[21:40:44] <cradek> I also think there's something wrong with configs having nonconsecutive axes
[21:41:02] <mozmck> does that work fine in master? he indicates it is a lack in NML
[21:41:15] <cradek> diagonal joint jogs? certainly it works in master
[21:41:35] <cradek> diagonal axis jogs I don't know
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[21:42:02] <mozmck> I'm guessing like jogging XY at the same time...
[21:42:45] <cradek> do you mean XY (nontrivkins) or do you mean more than one joint (like holding down two arrows in trivkins)
[21:42:51] <cradek> I know the latter works
[21:42:58] <mozmck> Did you see the gantry comp I linked to?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/machinekit/gantry/machinekit/To6ivNZpEHU/eamHoiO_868J
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[21:43:37] <mozmck> I'm guessing he means two axes instead of 2 joints.
[21:45:08] <cradek> I haven't looked at that comp
[21:45:25] <cradek> I am not very interested in a solution that doesn't support all the homing types including index
[21:45:34] <cradek> but it might be a fine workaround until we have that
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[21:45:51] <mozmck> That's what I was thinking/wondering.
[21:47:53] <mozmck> Oh yeah, I kind of remember this: "When a joint home switch trips, the commanded
[21:47:53] <mozmck> velocity will drop immediately from HOME_SEARCH_VEL to zero, with no limit on
[21:47:53] <mozmck> accleration.
[21:47:56] <mozmck> "
[21:48:46] <cradek> hm, yeah I think the smarts really needs to be inside motion to work well
[21:49:00] <mozmck> sounds like.
[21:49:11] <cradek> you can get away with a lot on really light stepper machines
[21:50:00] <mozmck> true. most of the stuff we deal with is medium weight/size though.
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[23:44:51] <mozmck> I notice EMCMOT_MAX_JOINTS is 9 just like EMCMOT_MAX_AXIS
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[23:45:39] <mozmck> which means that if you have 3 joints per axis you could only have 3 axes?
[23:46:09] <seb_kuzminsky> ye
[23:46:11] <seb_kuzminsky> yep
[23:46:21] <seb_kuzminsky> shrug
[23:47:00] <seb_kuzminsky> an added advantage of making those two the same is it makes it impossible to find bugs of using EMCMOT_MAX_JOINTS when you meant EMCMOT_MAX_AXIS, and vice versa
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