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[02:44:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/use_hallib 010cc96 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/getting-started/Running-LinuxCNC.txt Running-linuxCNC.txt: update for hallib * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=010cc96
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[03:17:02] <mozmck> Is there any reason to use HAL parameters instead of HAL pins?
[03:17:12] <mozmck> when making a component that is...
[03:18:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont think so
[03:18:32] <seb_kuzminsky> use pins
[03:19:17] <mozmck> ok, I didn't know if there was some performance difference or trying to keep namespace clutter down or something.
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[04:00:14] <pcw_home> for remote devices its the difference between process data and setup data
[04:01:22] <pcw_home> (where access cost is high)
[04:01:31] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, one more typeo i found...
[04:03:04] <Tom_itx> 7I90 - pdf P7 numbered P3 below the first paragraph talking about the W3 jumper says W4 and i think that should be W3
[04:05:00] <Tom_itx> i like the new release clips on the 50pin ribbon!
[04:05:01] <pcw_home> Yeah thats W3
[04:07:32] <mozmck> pcw_home: but isn't that difference simply in how the component uses the pin or parameter?
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[04:09:13] <pcw_home> parameters seem like setup constants (not netted so not updated every thread)
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[04:11:35] <mozmck> Hmm, I didn't think about updating. How/when do they get updated?
[04:12:40] <mozmck> Can they be hooked to UI elements for setting? Or is that all just done at startup once somewhere?
[04:13:51] <seb_kuzminsky> whoops, Gene Heskett found an embarrassing bug in the rtai kernel config (my fault)
[04:14:01] <seb_kuzminsky> i forgot to turn on PAE...
[04:14:08] <mozmck> oops!
[04:14:18] <seb_kuzminsky> :-/
[04:14:31] <pcw_home> isnt that false advertising?
[04:14:36] <cradek> who has enough ram to care, anyway
[04:14:38] <seb_kuzminsky> it sort of is
[04:14:44] <seb_kuzminsky> Gene does, apparently
[04:15:26] <seb_kuzminsky> ugh
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[16:53:24] <pcw_home> hmm, what is the state of an unknown bit?
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[16:59:53] <seb_kuzminsky> it is equal to banana
[17:03:02] <pcw_home> not sure how that encoded in 1 bit
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[17:47:46] <archivist> 42
[17:48:03] <cradek> it contains how long a stick is
[17:50:02] <pcw_home> wheres the hal pin metadata when you need it
[17:50:37] <cradek> what are you trying to do?
[17:52:04] <pcw_home> probably the wrong thing
[17:53:18] <cradek> sure but which wrong thing?
[17:53:19] <pcw_home> so if we lose comms with a remote device should we force the return data to a certain state?
[17:54:00] <cradek> hmm
[17:54:26] <cradek> seems like yes, but that leads to a harder question
[17:54:40] <pcw_home> Yes
[17:56:46] <seb_kuzminsky> is there a .data-is-valid pin coming out of your component?
[17:57:09] <pcw_home> No but there probabl should be
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[18:00:29] <pcw_home> it gets a bit messy since we may want to gloss over short outages
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[18:12:14] <seb_kuzminsky> debounce
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[18:30:40] <pcw_home> yeah but unless theres a global debounce option, this has to happen in the driver
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[18:42:14] <seb_kuzminsky> in the driver is probably a good place for it (because it makes things simple for the user and they can't mess it up), but you also have the option of adding a debounce component in hal
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[21:37:24] <seb_kuzminsky> http://pastie.org/9820924
[21:42:54] <seb_kuzminsky> that should fix the PAE memory issue Gene reported
[21:45:17] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if i need to bump the abi number and recompile everything and have a giant flag day?
[21:45:39] <seb_kuzminsky> i think pointers are still 32 bits, except for somewhere deep in the page map system
[21:46:12] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm sure userspace doesn't care, but what about kernel modules (like the rtai modules, and our rtai realtime components)?
[21:48:27] <seb_kuzminsky> in case anyone wants to try it:
http://highlab.com/~seb/linuxcnc/linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae_3.4.55-5linuxcnc_i386.deb
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[22:54:09] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, when i boot the 5linuxcnc kernel (the one where i added pae), i can no longer insmod rtai_hal.ko
[22:54:19] <seb_kuzminsky> rtai_hal: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
[22:54:45] <seb_kuzminsky> that rtai_hal.ko was built against a pre-pae linux-image
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[23:01:19] <seb_kuzminsky> looks like our choices are:
[23:01:44] <seb_kuzminsky> 1. live without PAE until we make the next kernel (ie, a kernel newer than 3.4.55-rtai)
[23:02:23] <seb_kuzminsky> 2. make a new kernel with PAE and a new ABI, linux-image-3.4-10-rtai-686-pae, rebuild the rtai-modules, and start building linuxcnc against that instead
[23:03:04] <seb_kuzminsky> if we go with option 2, users can stay with the current kernel and the current version of linuxcnc (ie not update either one)
[23:03:14] <seb_kuzminsky> or they can update both
[23:03:48] <seb_kuzminsky> if we go with 2, i'd switch the rtai buildslaves to the new pae-enabled kernel and we'd start producing linuxcnc debs that only work on that kernel
[23:03:53] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont like either option :-(
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[23:15:12] <PCW> wait for 2.7?
[23:17:27] <seb_kuzminsky> i use the same buildslaves for all branches of linuxcnc
[23:21:49] <PCW> arghh
[23:22:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm thinking we should wait for jessie & a new RTAI kernel, and just acknowledge that our "686-pae" kernel doesn't do pae
[23:22:12] * seb_kuzminsky <-- dunce
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[23:23:29] <seb_kuzminsky> either that or a flag day for wheezy and precise
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[23:26:18] <PCW> Yeah not sure why you would need more than 4G on a machine controller
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[23:27:11] <PCW> maybe rename the existing kernel to avoid confusion
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[23:35:31] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[23:36:30] <PCW> and tell gene to get another computer for home server or whatever he's using it for :-)
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