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[02:02:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/moveoff 9a5f782 06linuxcnc 10(10 files in 2 dirs) hookup_moveoff.tcl: new [HAL]HALFILE * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a5f782
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[02:34:59] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe2RACwiEbg&feature=youtu.be
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[03:12:27] <tinkerer> wow!
[03:14:21] <Tom_itx> good stuff skunkworks
[03:14:26] <PetefromTn_> skunkworks jeez man you never cease to amaze me
[03:14:34] <PetefromTn_> where did this come from?
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[03:21:12] <skunkworks> A bit of a hack... but seems to work ok.. I still think the circle recognition function in opencv should work better.
[03:21:38] <PetefromTn_> I was not even aware there was such a thing
[03:24:54] <seb_kuzminsky> cool skunkworks
[03:26:32] <Tom_itx> does it matter if the circle in the crosshairs match the target?
[03:32:39] <skunkworks> I give it a min and max size to look for.
[03:32:50] <skunkworks> (which is the center circles)
[03:33:29] <skunkworks> white on black isn't as big a deal - but if you give it too large a tolerance - it finds circles everywhere
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[03:41:07] <skunkworks> think we figured out the x axis problem on the lathe.. There is either a busted up bearing in the servo - or something has come apart in it. it feels to me like a bearing.. turns for a bit and locks up - giggle it and it will turn a bit more then lock up..
[03:41:35] <Tom_itx> sounds like a bearing
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[03:42:32] <skunkworks> so I think they replaced the resover, leadscrew and a few other things and never notice the servo had issues..
[03:42:49] <PetefromTn_> what model mazak is that?
[03:44:29] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwkoGtsaG9c
[03:44:31] <Tom_L> cnc pron
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[03:47:36] <skunkworks> it is a quick turn 20 universal from 85
[03:48:44] <PetefromTn_> wow that is some heavy milling with that insert cutter
[03:50:35] <skunkworks> honestly took 15 minutes to trouble shoot it to that point. Powered up the x axis brake and tried to turn the servo/leadscrew. Actually thought the brake wasn't disengaging. removed brake - still felt the sticking. removed the belt. axis/leadscrew moved normally (other than the pully mounted on the end of the ballscrew is loose... Servo didn't rotate smoothly
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[03:51:11] <skunkworks> I think troubleshooting is a dead art..
[03:51:54] <Tom_L> naw
[03:52:12] <PetefromTn_> That is a relatively simple thing to troubleshoot tho sounds like..
[03:52:18] <Tom_L> Seco sure likes to show off their cutters...
[03:52:25] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyT8UTkCc4k
[03:52:51] <PetefromTn_> I used to enjoy using the seco octomill facemill in the shop I worked in. Would like to get one for the VMC
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[03:53:22] <Tom_L> we has some but mostly sandvik and valenite
[03:53:42] <PetefromTn_> looks like those inserts were taking a beating on that vid
[03:56:34] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUBQN1JfY80
[04:02:08] <Tom_L> what was the chipload on that?
[04:02:12] <Tom_L> you can see it..
[04:02:49] <PetefromTn_> no idea
[04:03:24] <Tom_L> looks like around .006-008 at least
[04:06:56] <PetefromTn_> all I know is that they really made a nice surface finish as long as the inserts were not damaged and you could remove quite a bit of material rather quickly with them. They are kinda pricey tho as are the inserts but you get eight sides on each side so they last quite awhile.
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[04:10:09] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, here's your ball you needed :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjkvPLNgj0o
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[04:17:06] <PetefromTn_> that is pretty awesome machine and programming there I think hehe
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[14:21:42] <skunkworks> The servo issue was the brushes (2 of the 4 where broken)
[14:22:34] <skunkworks> dad says the tach is brushless
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[14:37:51] <skunkworks> 'Brushless dc generator' wonder how that works - some electronics in it?
[14:42:03] <skunkworks> a bit of electronics under the cover..
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[14:49:20] <kwallace> Here is my brushless generator, it's AC, but with could be DC with some diodes.
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Witte/dcp_6811.jpg
[14:49:31] <kwallace> Yay NASA
[14:50:46] <cradek> skunkworks: it was brushes and they replaced the ballscrew and then sold the machine? ouch...
[14:52:08] <skunkworks> or Yay!
[14:52:16] <cradek> heh yeah
[14:53:43] <skunkworks> he says the comutator looks good. 2 of the brushes where broken and 2 looked like they had been in there forever..
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[14:54:40] <skunkworks> kwallace, lathe spindle motor?
[14:58:51] <mozmck> Anyone know if there is an overview of the differences between Gmoccapy and Gsreen somewhere?
[15:03:09] <cradek> I don't know of any
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[15:04:07] <mozmck> ok. I'll keep looking at it.
[15:04:21] <kwallace> skunkworks, no, it's a 10 kW AC generator. I posted it because a brushless tachometer might use the same brushless system. A bit of a stretch I suppose.
[15:08:15] <kwallace> Yeah, I can see these look just like it.
http://www.marshbellofram.com/servo-tek/products/tachsyn-series-brushless-dc-tachometers/
[15:11:46] <skunkworks> heh - I found that page earlier
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[15:42:25] <pcw_home> A selenium rectifier?
[15:42:45] <skunkworks> old school
[15:46:19] <pcw_home> Hmm maybe thats a Varistor (since there are Silicon or Germanium rectifiers )
[15:50:37] <kwallace> It's a diode to turn the rotor AC into DC for the field excitation. I had to take it apart and clean each disk to get it to work. I'll most likely replace it with a modern diode.
[15:51:53] <pcw_home> Ahh, but you cant clean the disks of modern diodes :-)
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[16:30:30] <bjmorel_work> Anyone have a good DC Servo Driver for Dummies link ?
[16:34:34] <cradek> what's the real question you're trying to answer?
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[16:37:13] <bjmorel_work> I have an X2 that I'm finishing converting to CNC and I want to replace the stock motor with a DC servo, trying to wrap my head around all the diff. VDC ratings on ebay servos.
[16:38:19] <bjmorel_work> * Spindle motor *
[16:39:31] <cradek> ah spindle motor
[16:39:46] <cradek> that generally doesn't need to be a servo
[16:43:09] <bjmorel_work> Yeah, doubt I'll ever get into tapping or tool change with the X2. Basically I would like the SX2 brushless motor, but not willing to pay the $600ish to get the parts from LMS
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[16:46:17] <pcw_home> Hmm tapping does not require a servo spindle
[16:46:40] <skunkworks> why not go vfd and 3 phase motor?
[16:47:09] <cradek> that's the ticket
[16:47:22] <pcw_home> and relatively rough orient should work with a VFD
[16:47:49] <cradek> if you want an automatic tool changer on an X2 isn't that the least of your problems?
[16:48:39] <cradek> I think it's morse taper
[16:49:10] <cradek> but yeah you can tap with any spindle motor that reverses cleanly (a vfd is just fine)
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[16:50:21] <bjmorel_work> Really I thought the VFD was the way to go ( I work for an industrial parts dist. ) as I could get brand new with a really good price, but the weight of even the smallest 1/2 - 3/4HP motors on the little mill would be a bit much.
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[16:59:54] <kwallace2> Hows about:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111533747619 and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171191507878
[17:01:34] <kwallace2> One of my treadmill motors is at the bottom here:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/LinuxCNC/pwm_fet/pwm_fet.html
[17:04:28] <bjmorel_work> What kind of weight are those ?
[17:10:25] <kwallace2> Gosh, I don't really know. They have a steel housing, ceramic magnets, copper and steel rotor, so fairly heavy. Guessing 15 to 20 pounds.
[17:11:12] <kwallace2> They have lots of low end torque.
[17:11:51] <bjmorel_work> That puts it in line with a 1/2HP 3600RPM motor, but the price sure is right. I know I've read about a lot of people doing that conversion.
[17:12:07] <bjmorel_work> Of course, than I don't get the fun of really learing servos.
[17:16:06] <kwallace2> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/108150-x2-spindle-motor-upgrade.html
[17:18:37] <kwallace2> Here is my servo experiment:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/bridgeport/00046-1a.jpg and
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/bridgeport/
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[18:01:37] <archivist> I wonder how many thou the x2 column bends with the weight of the motor
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[18:36:58] <bjmorel_work> Considering the number of "Stiffen the Column" articles I've see, probably quite a bit. If I didnt get such a "craigslist steel" on it, I would have went for a bigger machine.
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[18:39:25] <archivist> I added some angle to my home brew mill to stiffen the column
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