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[17:48:40] <CaptHindsight> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gentoocnc/ are any of the devs part of this lurking here?
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[17:52:57] <fuzzy7k> Hi all, anyone working with gentooCNC in here?
[17:54:05] <fuzzy7k> I'm having problems pulling the project from sourceforge.
[17:54:26] <fuzzy7k> git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/gentoocnc/code.git
[17:55:15] <fuzzy7k> I'm thinking the project doesn't allow anonymous pulls.
[17:56:29] <fuzzy7k> But, I'm trying to set up layman to pull from it and wondering how to do it so updates are easy.
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[18:02:42] <seb_kuzminsky> hi fuzzy7k, hi dont know anything about gentoocnc but their sourceforge page says they use hg, not git
[18:02:48] <seb_kuzminsky> hg clone
http://hg.code.sf.net/p/gentoocnc/code gentoocnc-code
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[18:04:26] <fuzzy7k> Doh!
[18:04:48] <fuzzy7k> Thanks, I'm an idiot.
[18:05:18] <fuzzy7k> I'm so used to using git for everything
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[18:06:51] <seb_kuzminsky> as well you should be :-)
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[18:17:58] <fuzzy7k> yeah, the only time I've even dealt with mercurial was for pulling firefox-sync.
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[19:37:03] <memfrob> i dont understand why there is a gentoocnc project if all it takes is an ebuild to get linuxcnc, rtai and all to work with gentoo. is it for live cd images and such?
[19:38:11] <jepler> it looks like they maintain gentoo packaging for linuxcnc, and prepare tarballs of linuxcnc prereleases on random days
[19:38:27] <jepler> but .. I dunno, this is just from looking for 30 seconds
[19:38:32] <memfrob> ah i see.
[19:41:34] <andypugh> Ah, so that email does mean something to some of you? I thought the guy had the wrong mailing list.
[19:41:53] <memfrob> which email?
[19:42:12] <jepler> I'm talking about this because CaptHindsight mentioned it on irc
[19:42:29] <cradek> andypugh: none of that means anything to me either
[19:42:39] <jepler> but there's obviously some kind of thing going on because "fuzzy7k" also joined to talk about it
[19:43:02] <memfrob> i use gentoo and gentoocnc hasn't benefitted me, i write my own ebuilds and packages..
[19:43:05] <cradek> kvans32@ might be fuzzy7k, who knows
[19:43:09] <jepler> ah fuzzy7k = kevans = Kyle Evans
[19:43:25] <cradek> (fake names are irritating)
[19:43:28] <jepler> eh
[19:43:59] <jepler> lots of people make the mistake of entering their e-mail password as their irc nick
[19:44:07] <cradek> ha
[19:44:12] <jepler> and then you're just stuck with it, because people know you by that handle
[19:44:22] <cradek> that explains it, thanks
[19:47:18] <fuzzy7k> yeah, gentoocnc, for my purpose is just so I don't have to write my own ebuild. Looks like they deal with custom kernel too, but I'm not interested in that atm.
[19:47:36] <andypugh> I spent 10 years as “andy the pugh” on rec.motorcycles because I got bored of typing my name in to register new software when I started my first real job.
[19:48:05] <fuzzy7k> Looks like they are behind too, so I'm may start doing as you memfrob
[19:48:27] <fuzzy7k> but it's nice to have something to start with.
[19:48:45] <CaptHindsight> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gentoocnc/ was just the link I found from the ML back in March
[19:48:55] <andypugh> Isn’t starting from scratch and making things as hard as possible the Gentoo Way ? :-)
[19:49:11] <fuzzy7k> yes.
[19:50:41] <andypugh> I can see the attraction of the best possible responsiveness and leanest system on your dektop machine. But a CNC controller just has to work and chug away at the G-code. There seems no point using anything other than the LiveCD and whatever distro the LinuxCNC project currently favours
[19:51:04] <jepler> eh, nothing wrong with building linuxcnc for your favorite distro
[19:51:27] <CaptHindsight> unless you dislike debian or want to easily build packages
[19:51:48] <jepler> and if we make it needlessly hard for people on other-distro we should work on fixing it
[19:51:49] <fuzzy7k> I've been using gentoo for years, so a new system is nothing.
[19:51:53] <CaptHindsight> where is the auto-debianizer-package builder?
[19:52:50] <fuzzy7k> I find building packages on gentoo easier than on anything else.
[19:53:07] <fuzzy7k> learning gentoo is harder than anything else though.
[19:54:48] <jepler> building debian packages with dh is easy, though you do have to write several files inside debian/
https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging
[19:55:10] <jepler> like so many flexible systems, there are a lot of ways to build debian packages
[19:55:10] <fuzzy7k> My goal is to build a netbootable image though, so there is an advantage to having a small enough system that will fit into main memory.
[19:55:48] <jepler> .. and a lot of the advice you find pertains to the more complicated ways, not the relatively recent dh way
[19:55:50] <CaptHindsight> why is it so difficult to build RTAI user space for debian?
[19:56:33] <jepler> that's a strange question, since we have a working rtai package
[19:56:53] <jepler> I don't know why you've had trouble adapting it to your version of rtai
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[19:57:34] <CaptHindsight> all memleak's new work with RTAI
[19:58:01] <CaptHindsight> new kernels, new scheduler etc
[19:58:46] <memfrob> when i try building the deb the only file that gets packaged is the changelog
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[20:03:08] <CaptHindsight> maybe there's an easier way out there
[20:04:53] <memfrob> easy way: wipe out debian, install gentoo, build rtai and linuxcnc from source without having to spend a week reading obscure, intentionally overly complicated debian build instructions for debs
[20:05:14] <CaptHindsight> is the plan to abandon RTAI and just use ipipe with linuxcnc?
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[20:20:55] <jepler> memfrob: if it happened that, the first or second time I tried to write gentoo packaging from scratch I got it totally wrong, would you blame me or would you blame gentoo?
[20:22:12] <andypugh> jepler: If you did it I would blame you. If I did it I would blame Gentoo, as I am infallible ;-)
[20:23:03] <jepler> andypugh: sounds about right
[20:23:13] <CaptHindsight> at least we're not talking about screw mapping
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[20:31:56] <memfrob> i even copied seb's instructions into my rtai tree and i still ended up with just the changelog inside the deb..
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[20:33:34] <memfrob> i changed the version numbers and the name, slight modications to changelog file itself, and it doesnt build properly
[20:34:00] <memfrob> the ebuild i wrote for linuxcnc was fail-safe and about 10 lines of code, not 8 seperate files with a separate debian folder :)
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[20:45:48] <seb_kuzminsky> memfrob: when you tried to build debian packages of rtai, did you use
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/linux-rtai-build or something else?
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[20:56:43] <memfrob> something else, havent tried that yet
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[20:58:26] <seb_kuzminsky> that is what i've been using for a while now
[20:58:42] <seb_kuzminsky> you'll hate it, it's way more complicated than the previous one :-/
[20:59:19] <seb_kuzminsky> but it does a lot that the previous one couldn't, like build for different distros and architectures, including building missing build-dependencies
[21:01:27] <andypugh> Talking aboiut screw-mapping, should I look at changing the “lincurve” docs? It seems that nobody except me understands what the component is for.
[21:01:48] <andypugh> (map an arbitray float input to an arbitray float output)
[21:09:05] <jepler> as the author of lut5 I feel your pain
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[21:09:27] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: the lincurve manpage is hard for me to understand, though i know what the component does
[21:10:20] <andypugh> Curiously both LUT5 and lincurve are components I have written google-spreadsheet helpers for.
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[21:11:49] <andypugh> But LUT5 is 100% obvious to me :-) The input bits are interpreted as an address in the 32-bit parameter and the corresponding bit value is the output. I don’t know why the manpage doesn’t just say that.
[21:13:19] <jepler> it's just a numbering of the verticies of the 5-hypercube
[21:14:29] <andypugh> It’s a unit 5-hypercube, of course :-)
[21:14:52] <CaptHindsight> http://hg.code.sf.net/p/gentoocnc/code ah here's where the tools are
[21:15:18] <jepler> right, and so you just write down the coloring of the vertices
[21:16:03] <jepler> er, I guess the correct nomenclature is 5-cube or pentaract
[21:16:14] <jepler> I feel like I've made a fool of myself calling it a 5-hypercube
[21:16:20] <seb_kuzminsky> CaptHindsight: i would welcome gentoo packaging stuff into the main linuxcnc git repo, no need to copy tarballs into a mercurial repo
[21:16:52] <seb_kuzminsky> and if someone would maintain a gentoo buildbot we could see about auto-building gentoo packages just like we do debian packages
[21:16:55] <andypugh> jepler: I think you had got away with it until then
[21:17:13] <seb_kuzminsky> (is that even something gentoo people want? or do they want to build everything from source themselves?)
[21:19:10] <memfrob> no gentoo users and devs like ebuilds
[21:19:55] <seb_kuzminsky> are those precompiled binary packages?
[21:20:16] <jepler> tarballs can be had from www.linuxcnc.org (inside the dists/ directory alongside debian packages) or from git.linuxcnc.org (via "snapshot" links on pages about commits)
[21:22:36] <jepler> though if it's the norm in the gentoo community to take copies of tarballs then do as the gentoo do
[21:24:44] <seb_kuzminsky> what i tried to say was: if we can make things easier for gentoo people somehow, then i'm for that, and i'll help with build infrastructure
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[22:22:46] <memfrob> ebuilds are files that have source fetch compile and install instructions
[22:23:02] <memfrob> its basically ./configure ; emake, etc
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