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[01:33:47] <jepler> 2.4 was a particularly excellent python release, I'm sure
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[01:42:25] <jepler> .. not quite ten years old. cut down in the prime of its release cycle
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[02:30:07] <skunkworks_> how well could you tune a velocity mode servo with 5um scales?
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[02:31:56] <skunkworks_> that is about .0002
[02:32:41] <skunkworks_> could you do a lot better if you only used the scale for I?
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[02:46:37] <pcw_home> Thats pretty coarse
[02:46:38] <pcw_home> (if the servo needs to keep with 1 mill thats only 5 counts to max error,
[02:46:40] <pcw_home> hard to approximate a linear feedback systen with a 5 count range)
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[02:48:26] <skunkworks_> that is what I was figuring.. - have to look for something better
[02:51:35] <pcw_home> might be acceptable for some things (a lot of ~80s bridgeport class machines are like that)
[02:53:12] <seb_kuzminsky> here's also the wtf-worthy sed-ing of our python scripts at install-time to un-2.4-ify them
[02:53:30] <seb_kuzminsky> ... words do what i want them to
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[05:37:15] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 d867473 06linuxcnc 10src/Makefile pncconf: install the new python modules * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d867473
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[06:07:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 f7c7957 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py 10src/emc/usr_intf/pncconf/pncconf.py Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.6' into 2.7 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7c7957
[06:08:03] <seb_kuzminsky> holy crap, jepler, that "git log --oneline @{u}.." command is super handy, i aliased it to "git pushwhat"
[06:08:06] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks!
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[07:20:07] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Morley 052.7 ef0b29b 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/pncconf/private_data.py pncconf -fix icon/image path error * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef0b29b
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[13:27:40] <seb_kuzminsky> yay, thanks cmorley
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[14:34:39] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: have you changed fpga parts on some of your boards?
[14:35:20] <pcw_home> Not sure what you mean
[14:35:40] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm looking at commits like b4402ccf78e9
[14:35:54] <seb_kuzminsky> there have been one or two more like that in the past year or so
[14:36:38] <seb_kuzminsky> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4402ccf78e9a2547303321f044fb7c0409667fe
[14:37:26] <pcw_home> those fixed incorrect chip names
[14:38:03] <seb_kuzminsky> so those drivers never loaded, until now? that's surprising
[14:38:10] <seb_kuzminsky> but ok
[14:39:26] <seb_kuzminsky> i thought i had a 5i25 at the hackspace that worked before that commit
[14:39:28] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm
[14:39:29] <pcw_home> Im sure they loaded but the name is not checked
[14:39:54] <seb_kuzminsky> ooohh...
[14:40:10] <seb_kuzminsky> a dim lightbulb goes on over seb_kuzminsky's head
[14:40:16] <pcw_home> (since the name is only on the bit file header and those are cards with on board flash)
[14:41:31] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, i get it now
[14:41:31] <pcw_home> I think micges noticed when doing mesaflash and using the hm2 driver as a reference (since it deals with the bitfile, it checks)
[14:41:47] <seb_kuzminsky> it's only when we flash the fpga that we check the part number against the bitfile
[14:41:56] <pcw_home> Yep
[14:42:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm ok now :-)
[14:44:20] <pcw_home> it _might_ be possible to determine the FPGA name from ICAP but the PCI cards have write only ICAP for the moment (due to lazyness)
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[14:47:13] <pcw_home> I can try on a Ethernet card since they have read/write ICAP
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[15:04:20] <skunkworks> yes - you do seem like a slacker...
[15:06:03] <pcw_home> well it crossed the "too hard to do today" threshold
[15:08:55] <skunkworks> :)
[15:09:30] <skunkworks> anyone have a source for 36" high resolution inexpensive linear scales?
[15:09:40] <skunkworks> (I don't ask for much_
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[16:10:32] <jepler> skunkworks: maybe you should try to 3d print something
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[16:19:10] <jepler> skunkworks: more seriously, I don't know what "inexpensive" is.
[16:19:13] <jepler> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5v-resolution-5um-1000mm-ttl-linear-encoders-linear-sensor-linear-glass-scales-optical-ruler/1385839710.html
[16:20:06] <cradek> I wonder how you guess what those output
[16:20:40] <cradek> some are meant for human reading, so they could generate serial (slowly) or something
[16:21:54] <pcw_home> 60M/min so fast
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[16:22:42] <pcw_home> looks like diff quadrature and 1v PP analog (might be an option)
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[16:23:42] <jepler> this may be the manual shown in the picture
http://www.t2cnc.hu/downloads/Utmero/uveg-merolec.pdf
[16:24:13] <pcw_home> I wonder is thats what Dabit on the forum referred to as "Cheap Chinese scales"
[16:24:13] <jepler> but .. no information on the outputs
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[16:25:44] <jepler> and otherwise it generally reads like the turbo encabulator product presentation
[16:25:59] <jepler> "the indicating grating adhibits the score surface and the top of the grating all the time"
[16:26:57] <pcw_home> Says RS-422 so surely must be differential quadrature
[16:27:51] <pcw_home> My all time favorite is "regal sticked rubbles" for stick-on rubber feet
[16:30:18] <jepler> some sites have shown me TTL single-ended and EIA-422 differential
[16:31:24] <cradek> you can find out for $60 and about a month of your life
[16:31:44] <jepler> cradek: plus surprisingly high shipping
[16:31:46] <pcw_home> Yeah a surprise pachage
[16:32:14] <cradek> oh that's shipping in a few days - $45 is no surprise
[16:32:24] <jepler> Pin 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
[16:32:24] <jepler> Signal A- 0V B- Shield R- A +5V B R
[16:32:25] <jepler> Color Orange Black Blue Shielding White Yellow Red Green Brown
[16:32:35] <cradek> aha!
[16:32:36] <jepler> I'm finding a number of sources that give information comparable to this
[16:32:38] <cradek> perfect
[16:32:45] <jepler> http://cnditron.en.made-in-china.com/product/ybBJjMNOdFWc/China-Ditron-Linear-Scale-Galss-Scale-DC10-DC11-DC20.html
[16:35:20] <jepler> linear scale linear encoder tv new listing of multifunctional mosquito rat repellent pest reject drive cockroaches tool tv055
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[17:11:56] <skunkworks> I think we decided that 5um isn't high enough..
[17:13:00] <pcw_home> even if its multifunctional mosquito rat repellent
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[17:20:58] <kwallace2> It seems, other than the glass scale and sensor mask, the rest, housing and sensor, should be relatively easy to make.
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[17:24:31] <kwallace2> ... I guess like writing a novel is just typing a bunch of words.
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[18:10:16] <jepler> skunkworks: .0002in? luxury!
[18:11:23] <skunkworks> well - it is a tuning thing..
[18:11:53] <skunkworks> to position within .001 - .0002 is a bit of a stretch.
[18:12:38] <pcw_home> if its just used for slow I term feedback for temperature comp etc .0002 may be fine
[18:13:23] <jepler> all you need to double the resolution is to get 2 of the scales and place them 90 degrees out of phase
[18:13:40] <jepler> or do I mean 45?
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[18:14:35] <pcw_home> the likelyhood they would stay at 45 degrees over length and temperture is not high
[18:15:18] <jepler> awww party pooper (the idea was not serious anyway)
[18:15:51] <pcw_home> Are they really glass scales?
[18:15:57] <jepler> I have no idea
[18:17:01] <pcw_home> Dabit's cheap scales use a steel tape (that vibrated, adding so tuning fun)
[18:17:14] <pcw_home> some
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[20:10:05] <seb_kuzminsky> cmorley: i'm looking at the 2.6 commits since 2.6.3, for writing the changelog for 2.6.4, and i came across commit 18911987b
[20:10:32] <seb_kuzminsky> which looks like it has a bug in it, where you call tooledit.set_filename() with a hardcoded path in your home directory
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[21:48:35] <andypugh> Errr, I got to the bottom of my feed-per-rev problem
[21:49:11] <andypugh> It was a combination of rpm/rps _and_ a feed-over-ride of 14,000
[21:49:30] <andypugh> So, nothing to do with JA or lInuxCNC at all.
[21:50:03] <andypugh> The FO is a mystery. It took me a solid 5 minutes of handle-cranking to get it bck to 100.
[21:50:32] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[21:50:50] <seb_kuzminsky> well it's good to hear it's not some crazy bug
[21:51:20] <andypugh> There has to be something crazy, I certainly didn’t spend 5 minutes getting the FO up there...
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[21:52:01] <andypugh> (5 mins is not an exaggeration, it felt longer, my arm was getting tired!)
[21:52:02] <seb_kuzminsky> does the FO live in a variable in interp? and if so, did your .var file get corrupted?
[21:52:44] <andypugh> Always possible, but I couldn’t find a .var file. and it wasn’t in .touchy_preferences either.
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[21:52:59] <andypugh> It is certainly stored somewhere.
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[21:56:14] <andypugh> Right, now to make the parts.
[21:59:16] <jepler> andypugh: that's a heck of a story
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[23:00:50] <andypugh> I don’t know how I failed to notice the FO number…
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