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[14:17:25] <cradek> JT-Shop: another INCAM spam...
[14:19:17] <skunkworks_> sounds like a monty python skit...
[14:20:37] <pcw_home> spamincan
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[14:34:28] <cradek> people should stop responding to steve...
[14:34:43] <cradek> (I should talk)
[14:34:48] <skunkworks__> heh]
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[14:44:05] <pcw_home> years ago I volunteered to make Steve a encoder resolution divider (completer with index widener)
[14:44:05] <Roguish> anyone out there familiar with the bldc comp? andy pugh? pcw?
[14:44:06] <pcw_home> in a ~$1.50 CPLD. I made one up on one of our test CPLD boards, tested it thoroughly and sent it off to him no charge
[14:44:08] <pcw_home> he was unable to make it work and proceeded to tel me that his Fanuc field engineer friend had also verified
[14:44:09] <pcw_home> that the logic was faulty. That was my last dealing with Steve
[14:44:50] <pcw_home> I know nothing
[14:45:44] <Roguish> what the heck is this 'personality' thing in bldc comp?
[14:45:45] <cradek> ooh that sounds useful. I made a similar thing in an atmega8 back before I had the (ugh) pluto on my sherline lathe
[14:47:53] <cradek> I actually had a usable dumb servo system that way (parport pwm driving L298 dual H bridge ran both servos)
[14:48:38] <cradek> the divider did work right, but it didn't do index
[14:48:39] <skunkworks__> That was cool - it also had only like 10 pwm levels iirc. worked just fine.
[14:48:52] <cradek> I'm sure yours was better (and obviously faster)
[14:49:29] <cradek> yeah, the pluto is better mostly because it can read the full encoder resolution, but also it tunes up a bit nicer with more pwm levels.
[14:51:39] <cradek> Roguish: in
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/bldc.9.html it says "ignore the auto-generated SYNOPSIS above", so maybe you're supposed to ignore the personality thing?
[14:52:00] <pcw_home> I think I had jumpers to set the divide ratio (index was a bit of a kludge, N counts wide after the real index signal)
[14:52:54] <pcw_home> so the leading edge was correct but the trailing index edge depended on direction
[14:54:00] <Roguish> cradek: yeah. saw that. in the doc there is continual reference to the personality for the pins and parameters. how does the personality correlate?
[14:54:21] <cradek> I don't know. what happens if you just ignore personality?
[14:54:43] <Roguish> ex: bldc.N.init bit in [if ( personality & 0x05 ) == 4]
[14:54:51] <memfrob> when using the 2.6 branch does sim axis work for anyone else out of the box? i get errors while trying to run the example gcode files without modifying anything.
[14:54:57] <pcw_home> I thin ive only used the cfg- stuff
[14:55:04] <cradek> memfrob: uh what error?
[14:56:17] <cradek> oh move exceeds limit on Z? select Z, poke touch off, enter 1, ok
[14:56:24] <memfrob> yes.
[14:56:27] * cradek rubs his crystal ball
[14:56:31] <Roguish> i have put in all the pin and prameters and slowly eliminated them thru watching the errors. the old texas shotgun approach.
[14:57:33] <memfrob> ok thanks. why is that step not necessary for 2.5 branch?
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[14:57:37] <pcw_home> bldc is kind of a swiss army knife comp
[14:57:37] <cradek> it is
[14:57:44] <cradek> you must've already done it
[14:57:56] <memfrob> hmm.. ok
[14:57:59] <Roguish> simple motor, cfg=q i think.
[14:58:55] <pcw_home> no Halls ?
[14:58:55] <Roguish> pcw_home: i'm trying to run a simple bldc with a 7i39
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[14:59:39] <Roguish> has halls, and external encoder. encoder not for commutation.
[15:01:01] <pcw_home> normally better to use the encoder + Halls (so bldc can use sine wave commutation)
[15:01:25] <Roguish> should be cfg=h. maybe deleted the wrong letter late last night.
[15:02:49] <pcw_home> if you have the halls wired up, you need to check the commutation angle (should step from 0 to 1 monotonically in 0.1666666 steps)
[15:03:44] <pcw_home> (per electrical rotation, a 4 pole motor has 2 electrical rotations per turn)
[15:03:46] <Roguish> i am pretty sure it is a 60 degree motor
[15:04:37] <pcw_home> apply a little current to one winding and turn the shaft by hand
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[15:05:24] <pcw_home> 1 detent = 2 pole
[15:05:25] <pcw_home> 2 detents=4 pole etc
[15:06:09] <cradek> proposed splash screen related fix:
http://timeguy.com/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=49eee1e10e079db6026453f5c77722c751e6dbbe
[15:06:40] <cradek> :-P
[15:08:06] <pcw_home> friendlier if demos work without complaint
[15:08:40] <cradek> yeah, although I'm sympathetic to the "you oughta learn touch off right away" argument
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[15:10:59] <cradek> and demo configs shouldn't be weird (Z0 should always be top of travel)
[15:11:15] <cradek> but like I said, it may be the least bad solution
[15:11:26] <cradek> now seb has to decide...
[15:11:36] * cradek is happy to not be the RM
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[15:12:31] <cradek> hm, it only needs 3mm, not an inch
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[15:34:01] <skunkworks__> well - as some point out.. linuxcnc is not friendly... I say make them enter a 64 digit activation code before you can even start configuring..
[15:36:59] <cradek> that's why nobody will ever use it
[15:37:03] <pcw_home> Is linuxCNC right for you? First Solve this simple puzzle...
[15:38:41] <skunkworks__> heh
[15:38:43] <pcw_home> Or the guy with the Traub on the forum ("I connected everything, it doesnt work but be a firmware problem")
[15:39:02] <pcw_home> s/burt/must/
[15:47:15] <archivist> bet he has never done a days work fault finding
[15:48:50] <cradek> well I failed to help someone on the forum who doesn't realize that an internal thread cut on the front side is just like an external thread cut on the back side
[15:49:02] <cradek> sigh
[15:49:13] <jepler> I've got a patch almost ready to implement this:
http://pastebin.com/713cXn94
[15:49:16] <jepler> cradek: OK for 2.5?
[15:50:08] <skunkworks__> heh
[15:50:09] <cradek> jepler: better try it on a branch so buildbot tests it
[15:54:39] <skunkworks__> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/28138-new-scrypt-image-to-gcodepy-how-to-put-on-git
[15:56:16] <jepler> OK, patch is ready:
http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/0001-Restrict-use-of-LinuxCNC-to-paying-customers.patch
[15:56:24] <jepler> you can pay me $1 for a trial license or $1000 for a full license.
[15:56:44] <cradek> jepler: go home, you're drunk
[15:59:19] <jepler> cradek: because I'm such a nice guy, here's a key for tetrode-cradek: 7ffa2c10-101e-4f96-8fb6-bc3934e21862
[15:59:48] <JT-Shop> cradek, on the forum?
[16:00:21] <cradek> I'm having a hard time knowing whether your nonsense patch was an accident
[16:00:42] <jepler> oh that's the wrong patch
[16:00:45] <jepler> but that's funny too
[16:00:54] <cradek> differently funny
[16:01:15] <jepler> http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/0001-V2Restrict-use-of-LinuxCNC-to-paying-customers.patch
[16:01:43] <cradek> JT-Shop: yeah
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/31-cad-cam/28142-incam-m25-is-now-of
[16:01:46] <cradek> fering-a-free-trial#49113
[16:01:52] <cradek> oops
[16:02:08] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/31-cad-cam/28142-incam-m25-is-now-offering-a-free-trial#49113
[16:03:00] <cradek> jepler: funny! looks about like code I've found in the wiki and bbs.
[16:05:26] <jepler> I am sad to say, I've given some thought to how software activation via serial number might work (though not because I would like to add it to linuxcnc, promise!)
[16:05:58] <skunkworks__> jepler is going to sell some software!
[16:06:08] <jepler> this is not a very good scheme, I'm worried some people would be able to bypass it
[16:06:15] <cradek> hah
[16:06:46] <cradek> jepler: be sure to add base64 as a build dep
[16:07:17] <jepler> cradek: coreutils is Essential: yes
[16:07:34] <cradek> ah ok
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[16:09:12] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: is moving Z+ limit to 1.001 less wrong than moving the program's top-of-work to Z=-1?
[16:09:29] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yes, did you read cradek's rationale in the patch?
[16:09:43] <jepler> leaving top-of-work at Z0 still encourages correct practice (touch off with 0 = top of work)
[16:09:55] <seb_kuzminsky> i didnt read that part :-/
[16:10:08] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah, it says right there
[16:10:19] * seb_kuzminsky goes back to lurk mode in shame
[16:10:27] <cradek> it would be bad to have it surprisingly plunge an inch
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[16:11:51] <JT-Shop> cradek, squashed again
[16:11:56] <jepler> hm, do you think it would be more user-centric to have activation keys like filamentous-handicapper-stimulus-globe than 2eb692f0-b6f3-49fb-afe7-5ebbbc53a6a7 ?
[16:11:57] <cradek> thanks!
[16:12:29] <jepler> cradek: OK, install with this key instead: pugnacious-blemished-beneficial-sapience
[16:12:45] <jepler> no code change needed, because I'm that awesome
[16:12:52] <cradek> wow
[16:13:00] <cradek> I'm impressed, and you're still drunk
[16:13:07] <jepler> must be
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[16:20:49] <Roguish> pcw_home: i think i got it. had to swap encoder wires in connector and (from notes of long ago) set motor to pattern 43 and cfg to h
[16:21:53] <Roguish> now doing simple PID tuning and scale settings, etc. to get correct speed.
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[16:23:33] <pcw_home> qh mode will be smoother but requires a bit more setup
[16:24:37] <Roguish> i'll get the h mode correct, and then attempt the qh. at least i know the encoder is correct and the halls work,and the pattern.
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[16:33:27] <pcw_home> the encoder direction needs to match the Hall direction or funny things happen
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[16:41:04] <seb_kuzminsky> Roguish: could you try out the 0.8.13 hostmot2 firmware packages? they fix the permissions problem you reported
[16:42:34] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: shall we have an Nth attempt at updating the hostmot2 source in git (& the compiled firmwares on wlo)?
[16:45:23] <pcw_home> Sure, what can I do to help?
[16:47:57] <seb_kuzminsky> check your new vhdl into the master branch of the hostmot2-firmware.git repo on glo, the buildbot will try it, and we'll see where i need to patch up the build system & debian packaging
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[16:50:29] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05v0 6692770 06hostmot2-firmware fast forward * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=commitdiff;h=6692770
[16:50:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll help with any part of that or any questions you might have
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[17:01:56] <cradek> ooooh, I will also help any way I can
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[17:22:30] <pcw_home> Let me first add the @Card@ and @Pin@ to all the top level files if not there already so they are ready for scripting
[17:22:32] <pcw_home> without needing to make a copy
[17:22:36] <seb_kuzminsky> there's now two branches in hostmot2-firmware.git: master and v0
[17:22:49] <seb_kuzminsky> this mirrors the development and stable branches in linuxcnc.git
[17:23:25] <seb_kuzminsky> they currently point to the same commit, but they'll diverge as we/pcw adds the new vhdl to master
[17:24:25] <pcw_home> Yeah its kind of a forklift upgrade at this point so should not mess with V0
[17:24:40] <seb_kuzminsky> yep
[17:26:46] <seb_kuzminsky> there's still some buildbot configuration to do to support the multiple branches, but that can happen over time
[17:31:00] <cradek> ooh, I booted my test machine and hostmot2 updates popped up
[17:31:40] <seb_kuzminsky> 0.8.13, has the fix for the permissions problem that Roguish pointed out
[17:32:18] <cradek> yep it says 0.8.10 to 0.8.13
[17:32:19] <seb_kuzminsky> err, or 0.8.17, if you're getting them form the hm2 buildbot
[17:32:22] <seb_kuzminsky> ah
[17:32:41] <cradek> nope the latest image points at only the real release places
[17:32:46] <seb_kuzminsky> yay
[17:33:15] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm gonna look at your pending 2.6 patches (and jepler's) and try to do 2.6.0 this weekend
[17:33:24] <seb_kuzminsky> anyone know of any blockers?
[17:33:52] <cradek> I don't, but I haven't looked at the bugtracker for a while
[17:34:16] <seb_kuzminsky> none of those should hold up the release any longer, imo
[17:34:35] <cradek> ok
[17:34:37] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll make point releases as the known bugs get fixed
[17:34:39] <cradek> I'm sure it's ready
[17:34:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i think so too
[17:34:54] <seb_kuzminsky> it's sure been working well for me
[17:35:01] <cradek> yep, just do it, me too.
[17:35:15] <seb_kuzminsky> the last-second kernel upgrade was a bit scary, but i think it's working
[17:35:27] <cradek> I can have an iso a half hour after you do the deed
[17:35:33] <Roguish> thank you seb
[17:35:54] <seb_kuzminsky> Roguish: did it fix the problem for you?
[17:37:22] <Roguish> well, i changed the permissions manually. so i can see the directory.
[17:38:00] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, right
[17:38:22] <seb_kuzminsky> well, i bet if you "dpkg --purge" all your hostmot2-firmware packages, and reinstall them from www.linuxcnc.org, they'll still work right
[17:38:31] <Roguish> i am using the 'hybrid' iso, so i'm not sure how to use a new build. probably the git thing, right?
[17:38:49] <seb_kuzminsky> you have two options
[17:39:01] <seb_kuzminsky> 1: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -uV dist-upgrade"
[17:39:18] <seb_kuzminsky> 2: read the wiki & figure out git & build it yourself
[17:39:59] <Roguish> i can probably build it my self, but the update looks far easier (not to screw up....)
[17:40:25] <seb_kuzminsky> it's the easy way for sure, it's how almost all of our users get their upgrades
[17:41:50] <Roguish> i've used the git and build and don't mind it. i'm just trying to get a new setup with bldc running and don't need other things to do.
[17:42:18] <Roguish> i'll copy the command line you gave above and save it for a little later.
[17:43:27] <Roguish> hey, what is the command to create a new thread at a particular frequency?
[17:43:53] <cradek> there's a "thread" hal component that you load
[17:43:57] <cradek> er, threads
[17:44:09] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/threads.9.html
[17:44:46] <cradek> be aware you can only create threads that are slower than the existing fastest thread
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[17:45:02] <cradek> usually motion creates your "first" one or two threads for you
[17:45:07] <Roguish> ok. it shows in the html doc. been looking in the pdf
[17:45:25] <cradek> I think the pdf should have the manpages too...?
[17:47:51] <cradek> hm, maybe not
[17:48:06] <Roguish> HAL configuration shows 1 thread, servo thread. set in the .ini file.
[17:48:30] <Roguish> are there any hidden threads?
[17:48:32] <cradek> ok cool, you can make any new thread slower than that
[17:48:36] <cradek> no
[17:49:37] <Roguish> ok. i'll figure it out. last question (maybe) where's doc on halscope?
[17:49:47] <cradek> the hal manual
[17:50:07] <Roguish> again, pdf's give very little. have not checked html
[17:50:46] <cradek> the "hal manual" pdf has 10 pages on halscope
[17:50:47] <Roguish> i would like a faster sampling rate, therefor the question about threads.
[17:51:09] <cradek> ok, how about you ask the real question at the root of all your questions
[17:52:02] <cradek> what are you trying to see in halscope?
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[17:53:58] <Roguish> following error over commanded position over actual position, and over/under shoot. both in position and velocity. for tuning.
[17:54:35] <Roguish> give a step impulse and see the response.
[17:55:12] <Roguish> would also like to do the same in freq domain in a Bode plot.
[17:56:03] * skunkworks__ just fidles with the pid numbers until it looks good...
[17:56:06] <skunkworks__> ;)
[17:56:12] <pcw_home> I think the bode plot will need some comp help
[17:57:43] <cradek> Roguish: the servo cycle (the only thing you can plot with your one thread) is all the information you have to work with - the position is sampled and the command is generated at that rate
[17:57:58] <pcw_home> Bare HBridge tuning is sort of 1/2 way between torque mode and velocity mode
[17:58:13] <cradek> I have not had good luck tuning a step response - it just seems to overwhelm everything - but you could easily simulate that by turning up your acceleration and using gcode
[17:58:22] <pcw_home> (needs FF1 FF2 and significant D term)
[17:59:27] <cradek> I like to program a loop in gcode: rapid right, small pause, rapid left, long pause - repeating forever. then get halscope to trigger right and show you the whole thing
[17:59:36] <pcw_home> also faster than 1 KHz thread rate is probably needed unless the motor is driving significant (relative to its torque) mass
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[18:00:25] <Roguish> cradek: i'll speed up the servo cycle and create a new thread.. i also use a gcode to shuttle it back an forth. works fine.
[18:00:57] <Roguish> pcw_home: are u refering to the 7i39 as a bare hbridge?
[18:01:00] <cradek> I don't think I understand why you want a new thread
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[18:01:52] <pcw_home> Yeah normally 1 thread is enough
[18:02:06] <Roguish> cradek: maybe i don't need one if i just speed up the servo cycle.
[18:02:22] <Roguish> you are right. keep it simple.
[18:02:42] <cradek> you can't make a new thread that's faster than motion's fastest (in your case only) thread
[18:02:56] <cradek> even if you could, there'd be nothing more to plot
[18:03:44] <pcw_home> also for the 7I39, set the 3pwmgens dead time to 0
[18:03:55] <Roguish> I don't know exactly what it would take to create a Bode plot, but it might be worth it. my controls friends all say it's the better tuning method.
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[18:05:06] <Roguish> is there a 'feature request form' ?
[18:05:26] <cradek> yes on sourceforge there's a feature tracker
[18:07:24] <Roguish> gentlemen. thank you all. you've been very helpful. gotta go swing a hammer. building the wife a shed/art studio. oh joy.
[18:07:47] <cradek> cool
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[18:16:04] <Tom_itx> so is it really true? 2.6 is about to go out the door?
[18:16:20] <cradek> oh yes
[18:16:28] <Tom_itx> hurray!
[18:16:40] <Tom_itx> is there a new feature list somewhere?
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[18:16:50] <mozmck> how can I compare two git branches? just put them in two directories and use meld?
[18:17:04] <cradek> mozmck: git diff branch1..branch2
[18:17:23] <mozmck> ah - thanks!
[18:17:27] <cradek> mozmck: or git log branch1..branch2 if you want to see the commits, not the code changes
[18:17:55] <Tom_itx> finally got my ethernet back up after a reinstall...
[18:17:59] <Tom_itx> not sure what caused that
[18:18:01] <cradek> Tom_itx: I don't think the changelog is written yet. that's one of the last (manualish) tasks.
[18:18:24] <Tom_itx> is the latest on the buildbot site?
[18:18:37] <cradek> do you mean latest changelog?
[18:18:43] <Tom_itx> latest code
[18:18:48] <Tom_itx> and / or changelog
[18:18:59] <cradek> yes always. but 2.6.0~pre5 was just released and that's a real release on the main site
[18:19:17] <cradek> buildbot constantly makes packages on all active branches
[18:19:40] <cradek> there's also a new test os-install image
[18:19:57] <Tom_itx> which flavor is it?
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[18:20:29] <Tom_itx> i may do an install on a ssd and see how it flies
[18:20:39] <cradek> debian stable 7.x with rtai
[18:20:54] <cradek> yeah do. we would love to hear the feedback.
[18:21:12] <Tom_itx> i'd have done a bit of testing but my interweb quit
[18:21:27] <Tom_itx> got tired of jacking with it so i just reinstalled
[18:21:28] <cradek> Tom_itx:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/52401
[18:22:19] <Tom_itx> it's not on the main page yet is it?
[18:22:31] <cradek> nope
[18:22:36] <cradek> still testing
[18:23:31] <Tom_itx> is there an iso for it yet or just build it from the buildbot page?
[18:23:43] <cradek> see that url a couple lines up
[18:24:02] <cradek> that's the announcement from the users list
[18:24:11] <Tom_itx> ok
[18:24:55] <Tom_itx> hybrid.iso
[18:25:59] <Tom_itx> do i need unetbootin for a usb stick?
[18:26:15] <cradek> READ THE MESSAGE
[18:26:45] * Tom_itx tucks his tail and runs
[18:27:04] <cradek> haha
[18:27:05] <cradek> sorry
[18:27:26] <Tom_itx> i'm too used to irc :)
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[18:27:28] <cradek> but the words of the message, they are for a purpose
[18:27:30] <cradek> :-)
[18:28:05] <Tom_itx> i'll check it out when i get back... got a couple errands to run
[18:29:04] <skunkworks__> Can I use zsync to get it?
[18:29:13] * cradek shakes his fist
[18:30:10] <atom1> hahaha
[18:30:36] <Tom_itx> I recommend using zsync to download it:
[18:30:47] <Tom_itx> 3rd to last line
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[18:33:40] <cradek> Will it fit on a CD?
[18:33:57] <skunkworks__> awww - that was my next question!
[18:33:57] <cradek> (I can play this too)
[18:34:01] <cradek> haha
[18:34:45] <mozmck> can I install it on my iphone? wait, I don't have one, how about walmart net10 phone?
[18:34:57] <cradek> > The common thread in all of your problems is you.
[18:35:02] <Tom_itx> honest question: will a SD with usb adapter be the same as a USB stick?
[18:35:13] <cradek> Tom_itx: yes I think so
[18:35:49] <skunkworks__> yes. I have done this.
[18:36:53] <cradek> think I'm going to drag out my old sherline lathe this weekend and get it going again
[18:37:42] <skunkworks__> yay!
[18:38:00] <skunkworks__> are you going to switch to a 5i25? or keep using the pluto?
[18:38:13] <cradek> if the pluto still works I will use it with 2.6
[18:38:59] <skunkworks__> How can I get 2.6?
[18:39:08] <cradek> I may be the new maintainer, if I want it to keep working
[18:39:52] <skunkworks__> I still use the pluto for odd testing.. (testing encoders and such...) I figure if I kill it - it has paid for its self
[18:40:46] <skunkworks__> itself
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[18:41:29] <cradek> my lathe driver stuff is all in a pretty box with connectors, and the screws are all in it and everything
[18:41:34] <cradek> it's weirdly finished
[18:43:04] <skunkworks__> not odd for you.. The jr was finished also.. and the hardige..
[18:43:19] <cradek> the hardinge is awful - the cabinet door doesn't even close
[18:43:26] <cradek> but yeah the jr is pretty nicely done
[18:43:42] <skunkworks__> why doesn't the door close?
[18:43:56] <cradek> mostly because of the wires going in and out, and the heat problems
[18:43:56] <skunkworks__> stuff doesn't fit or wires running out the door?
[18:44:06] <skunkworks__> ah.
[18:44:18] <skunkworks__> we have found that the control box on the k&t probably needs fans..
[18:49:32] <skunkworks__> jepler, what branch should I test for the 7i80/5i25?
[18:49:39] <skunkworks__> (uspace)
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[18:51:52] <skunkworks__> does hm2-eth-v3 have support for pci also?
[18:53:50] <jepler> skunkworks__: yes, -v2 and -v3 are supposed to work with all hm2 hardware
[18:53:58] <skunkworks__> ok
[18:54:00] <skunkworks__> thanks
[18:54:01] <jepler> skunkworks__: let me know if your testing says otherwise
[18:54:10] <skunkworks__> will do
[18:56:00] <jepler> you're the best
[18:56:15] <skunkworks__> sorry it has taken so long...
[18:57:27] <jepler> what has?
[18:57:34] <skunkworks__> getting back to testing.
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[19:07:20] <skunkworks__> 7i80 works!
[19:08:32] <jepler> skunkworks__: you do a ton of testing, no hard feelings from me if you take a few days off for life
[19:08:38] <jepler> heck, I too most of the last two or three years off
[19:11:32] <skunkworks__> yes - (and I worried about that... ) but I am glad you are back in force!
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[19:14:01] <atom1> SD on an adapter looks like SCSI
[19:18:17] <atom1> ok the light's blinkin so something is being written :)
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[19:24:46] <skunkworks__> jepler,
http://pastebin.com/y1LFhacj
[19:25:14] <jepler> skunkworks__: something specific I'm looking for in there?
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[19:25:30] <skunkworks__> ethernet and pci seem to work together...
[19:25:37] <jepler> ah, both are loaded at once?
[19:25:40] <jepler> I actually didn't try that..
[19:25:43] <skunkworks__> heh
[19:26:55] <skunkworks__> I think that was a double paste.. it is a little confusing at the bottom
[19:28:13] <cradek> anyone know anything about the glade stuff?
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/48-gladevcp/28147-no-linuxcnc-widgets-with-wheezy-iso-260pre5#49140
[19:31:15] <Tom_itx> usb stick not bootable
[19:31:45] <Tom_itx> i get an icon of debian wheezy on the screen
[19:32:35] <jepler> Tom_itx: did you check bios boot order?
[19:32:51] <Tom_itx> yep, gettin ready to double check it...
[19:35:52] <kwallace> I think GaldeVCP needs Glade 2.something and not Glade 3?
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[19:36:28] <kwallace> GladeVCP
[19:36:52] <cradek> how did you write the image?
[19:37:09] <cradek> oh hmm, if you get an icon, it's probably bootable...
[19:37:53] <Tom_itx> i used dd to write it
[19:38:11] <jepler> what /dev/xxx did you write it to?
[19:38:29] <Tom_itx> i didn't write it down
[19:38:44] <Tom_itx> it was similar to the instruction page
[19:39:23] <Tom_itx> the files are on the stick
[19:39:40] <cradek> did you use dd?
[19:39:47] <Tom_itx> yes
[19:40:04] <cradek> then it's bootable, it must be a bios thing
[19:40:06] <Tom_itx> checked the BIOS: boot USB first, hdd order: sandisk then SSD
[19:40:19] <Tom_itx> i'll burn a dvd
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[19:41:05] <Tom_itx> it's a intel atom 525
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[19:46:37] <jepler> cradek: as you probably knew, the sample configs gladevcp_panel and gladevcp_tab both work in binary.hybrid.iso with md5sum 89ce14617d0c1af19fba95e9403af681
[19:46:46] <jepler> cradek: I think the user needs to supply additional information..
[19:47:22] <cradek> it sounds like editing or creating a panel doesn't work as expected, and I don't know what expected is
[19:47:44] <jepler> doop doop: gscreen refers to sound files that don't exist on debian
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[19:48:02] <jepler> src/emc/usr_intf/gmoccapy/gmoccapy.py: self.alert_sound = "/usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/bell.ogg"
[19:48:04] <cradek> it probably shouldn't make sounds anyway
[19:48:11] <cradek> BEEP
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[19:52:24] <Tom_itx> those windows directions are just for a USB iso image aren't they?
[19:52:37] <skunkworks__> cradek,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc
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[19:53:15] <skunkworks__> Tom_itx, correct - you can burn a dvd in the normal way.
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[20:14:18] <Tom_itx> dvd seems to work
[20:14:49] <cradek> cool, I don't have what it takes to try that, thanks
[20:15:15] <Tom_itx> must be a boot issue with my USB
[20:15:23] <Tom_itx> it _should_ work
[20:15:47] <cradek> this machine next to me would only boot from usb successfully every third try or so. I don't know what the pattern is
[20:15:54] <cradek> also only the first time after power up
[20:16:11] <cradek> something's obviously flaky
[20:16:13] <cradek> it's years old though
[20:16:54] <Tom_itx> i've got an old clunker that would only work with usb with 8.xx
[20:17:51] <Tom_itx> i'm pretty sure i've booted with it with unetbootin
[20:18:21] <Tom_itx> the D525 that is..
[20:20:22] <CaptHindsight> https://www.osadl.org/Latency-plot-of-system-in-rack-4-slot.qa-latencyplot-r4s7.0.html does this latency plot resemble anything seen with preempt_rt and linuxcnc latency test?
[20:20:39] <CaptHindsight> on their D525 boards
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[20:32:21] <pcw_d525> sebastian: OK so i have the latest hm2 vhdl source on a linux machine
[20:32:23] <pcw_d525> what next?
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[20:34:00] <jepler> pcw_d525: have you created a git clone of the "hostmot2-firmware" repository before?
[20:35:19] <jepler> pcw_d525: I think that what seb_kuzminsky had in mind was for you to start by cloning hostmot2-firmware
[20:35:23] <jepler> git clone git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/hostmot2-firmware.git
[20:36:01] <cradek> no, use ssh://pcw@git.linuxcnc.org/git/hostmot2-firmware.git
[20:36:14] <jepler> oh yes, what cradek said, if you've got git push access set up
[20:36:50] <cradek> (you'll need to have the ssh key we configured previously)
[20:36:52] <Tom_itx> ok i'll copy my configs over this evening and give it a try.
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[20:36:58] <Tom_itx> looks like it installed ok
[20:37:02] <cradek> yay
[20:37:19] <Tom_itx> installed a default 3axis sherline
[20:37:31] <Tom_itx> gotta run for now
[20:37:44] <jepler> pcw_d525: and then copy or move the .vhd files into hostmot2-firmware
[20:37:56] <jepler> add them all: git add *.vhd
[20:38:09] <CaptHindsight> ouch the 3.4.9 rtai pae on this new A10 APU is getting >1,000,000 on the 1mS and 200K on the 25uS
[20:38:21] <jepler> create a commit: git commit -m"update formware files"
[20:38:30] <Tom_itx> do all the files still go in the default places?
[20:38:43] <jepler> (if your git is not set up, this may force you to set some git configuration items before it'll let you commit)
[20:38:44] <Tom_itx> mesa bit files etc
[20:39:09] <jepler> pcw_d525: and finally, "git push". the buildbit will try to build the result, and seb says he'll help work out the kinks
[20:39:34] <CaptHindsight> it must be the video driver since ran the same board/APU with gentoo and 3.4.55 rtai and it was ~12K with KMS and software rendering, no HW accel
[20:39:35] <jepler> Tom_itx: I think so .. /lib/firmware/
[20:39:38] <cradek> Tom_itx: that image already has the firmwares and lots of other good stuff installed
[20:39:45] <Tom_itx> k
[20:39:53] <Tom_itx> there's a couple files i'm concerned about
[20:39:56] <Tom_itx> for my install
[20:40:02] <Tom_itx> i'll look it over
[20:40:05] <cradek> Tom_itx: the bad old days of installing firmwares manually are almost over
[20:40:14] <Tom_itx> aww
[20:40:39] <Tom_itx> k. bbl
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[20:47:22] <jepler> bbl
[20:49:07] <CaptHindsight> so on really new AMD boards and APU's you have to run off KMS and use software rendering, the gpu drivers kill latency
[20:49:22] <CaptHindsight> run/turn off
[20:51:24] <CaptHindsight> the same board/APU above runs about the same latency with the Livecd since it doesn't use HW accell
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[21:24:15] <CaptHindsight> after turning off KMS and removing the hardware drivers 193K on 1mS thread and 23K on the 25uS
[21:24:49] <CaptHindsight> I've never seen the 1mS thread have worse numbers than the 25uS
[21:26:21] <CaptHindsight> using Gentoo and 3.4.55 RTAI with KMS off and using software rendering we get ~13K on both the 1mS and 25uS
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[21:52:15] <skunkworks> the little bit of testing - radeon video is even worse with the latest rtai. nvidia seems great
[21:53:19] <pcw_d525> I dont want to overwrite anything in hostmot2-firmware V0, only master
[21:53:21] <pcw_d525> (not sure if i have the right keys on this machine either)
[21:54:18] <cradek> if your ssh:// clone worked, the key is right
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[22:03:24] <jepler> pcw_d525: If "git branch" says "* master" then you are on master branch, and any commit you make will not change "v0".
[22:03:41] <jepler> pcw_d525: after you commit, you can verify what will be pushed with: git push --dry-run
[22:03:51] <jepler> you should see that it does not say it will modify v0
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[22:31:23] <pcw_d525> must not have the right git stuff setup
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