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[11:37:30] <skunkworks__> ran the latency test over night (mainly because I never go back to it.) on this system with -rt I am getting 47us
[11:38:06] <skunkworks__> these little boxes would be good for ethernet solutions - they have 2 nics and run good latency. (but have the usb ussue with the rtai kernel)
[11:39:16] <skunkworks__> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128698
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[14:35:27] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: i didnt know they still made machines with ps/2 connectors
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[14:37:09] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: I still see them on pretty much everything we buy at work, but annoyingly there's usually one instead of two now
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[14:44:25] <skunkworks__> it also has a pci slot and GASP a printer port header...
[14:44:25] <seb_kuzminsky> s/two/zero/ fify
[14:44:43] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: now *those* are some connectors i can get behind ;-)
[14:45:18] <skunkworks__> They are perfect for mesa hardware.. (pci slot or dual nics..)
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[14:55:08] <skunkworks__> stella in a few years?
https://plus.google.com/photos/116419691234780405231/albums/5994518104511697313/6020486114105590082?pid=6020486114105590082&oid=116419691234780405231
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[16:13:49] <SkapiN> hi
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[16:22:54] <SkapiN> I have really poor latency test result on linuxcnc 2.5/ubuntu12.04 using xenomai (around 30.000 on i7 + 4850hd) I guess it's because i'm using 12.04 with xenomai. Some advice or should i use the veryyyy old 10.04 ubuntu ? Does it work well with Debian otherwise ?
[16:25:09] <seb_kuzminsky> SkapiN: linuxcnc doesn't run on xenomai. Are you perhaps using machinekit? they forked off from this project but have not yet rebranded their project, to much confusion
[16:25:42] <SkapiN> seb_kuzminsky: yes exactly. I saw this.
[16:26:30] <SkapiN> What should I install as Real Time kernel ? Something kinda easy, on debian on ubuntu>12.
[16:27:12] <SkapiN> even if it's need some tricky move i can do it, but too much confusion for me, RTAI, RT_preemp etc...
[16:27:17] <seb_kuzminsky> if you want to run machinekit you should ask them what they recommend. if you want to switch to linuxcnc we recommend the rtai kernel on debian wheezy (7)
[16:27:30] <SkapiN> i dont want to run machinekit :)
[16:27:37] <SkapiN> ok
[16:27:48] <SkapiN> thank you verymuch
[16:27:53] <CaptHindsight> I use the 3.4.55 RTAI on Ubuntu 12.04
[16:27:56] <seb_kuzminsky> there's an rtai-on-wheezy install image somewhere, hold on
[16:28:02] <SkapiN> ohhh
[16:28:31] <SkapiN> ok thx CaptHindsight.
[16:28:47] <SkapiN> the image will be perfect seb_kuzminsky thanks a lot :)
[16:28:55] <CaptHindsight> also
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[16:29:30] <seb_kuzminsky> SkapiN: this is considered unreleased and experimental still, please report how it goes for you:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/binary.hybrid.iso
[16:29:39] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to try that new rtai-on-wheezy install today
[16:29:48] <SkapiN> okay thanks, my install is from jul 2013, this page is younger :)
[16:30:05] <seb_kuzminsky> CaptHindsight: cool! the kernel should be very similar to the precise one, but not identical
[16:30:13] <SkapiN> seb_kuzminsky: ok. But i can insatll it to control real machine ?
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[16:30:36] <seb_kuzminsky> SkapiN: yep, that's exactly what that (unreleased! experimental!) installer is for
[16:30:44] <seb_kuzminsky> it's what i run my bridgeport with
[16:30:48] <CaptHindsight> SkapiN: the precise 3.4.55 RTAI has worked well enough for us to ship systems using it
[16:30:56] <cradek> SkapiN: that image doesn't currently have a linuxcnc build on it. you will need to build from source.
[16:31:07] <CaptHindsight> we have been running machines with it for 2+ months
[16:31:12] <SkapiN> cradek: np i'm used to
[16:31:47] <SkapiN> okay thanks evrybody. You are great :)
[16:32:33] <seb_kuzminsky> heh you're welcome :-)
[16:33:15] <seb_kuzminsky> zultron: how's y'alls rebranding effort coming?
[16:35:20] <CaptHindsight> SkapiN: just out of curiosity what cpu and chipset are you using?
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[16:43:10] <seb_kuzminsky> i think i'm going to push the 3.4.55-3linuxcnc rtai kernel to linuxcnc.org... it's less wrong than what's there now. objections?
[16:43:34] <cradek> no, please do, and then poke buildbot and get us matching 2.6 packages?
[16:44:07] <seb_kuzminsky> yep
[16:44:20] <cradek> do you need to purge any of the others that have weird version numbers?
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[16:47:49] <seb_kuzminsky> i surely do
[16:48:15] <seb_kuzminsky> and everyone who's got an install of the old kernels will have to upgrade kernels & reboot before the buildbot linuxcnc debs will install for them
[16:49:22] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll bump the rtai precise buildslave up to 3.4.55-3linuxcnc too, to be consistent
[16:49:46] <seb_kuzminsky> heh, when i went to upgrade the wheezy rtai machine it was sitting crashed with a kernel panic
[16:49:57] <seb_kuzminsky> i twas running 3.4.87 rtai
[16:50:06] <CaptHindsight> nice
[16:50:11] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah that's awesome
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[16:54:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm gonna remove the xenomai kernels from linuxcnc.org while i'm cleaning up the deb archive there
[16:54:12] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky:
https://github.com/micges/mesaflash.git builds and packages really nice for me - would you build and push it too? then I can add it to the cd when I rebuild.
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[16:54:27] <seb_kuzminsky> we can add them back when/if we add xenomai support to linuxcnc
[16:54:34] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i'll look in to it
[16:55:14] <cradek> micges-dev: ^^
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[16:56:02] <cradek> I agree about removing those xenomai kernels
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[17:02:19] <skunkworks__> seb_kuzminsky, should I try it?
[17:02:34] <skunkworks__> wait - I thin I did try 3...
[17:03:06] <cradek> I think you tried it. that kernel is many days old
[17:03:28] <skunkworks__> Yah - I think so too.. (I thought he talked about building a new one)
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[17:03:38] <micges-dev> cradek: I think mesaflash is ready to package
[17:03:46] <cradek> micges-dev: yay, thanks
[17:04:53] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: are the udebs of any use to you? i wont bother putting them in the wlo deb archive if not
[17:05:31] <cradek> no I don't think so. I think those are only important for the installer, but the installer is not running our kernel.
[17:06:31] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah
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[17:07:14] <skunkworks__> gene... where do you start?
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[17:08:42] <cradek> gene only asks each question once
[17:08:59] <seb_kuzminsky> micges-dev: do you have debs of mesaflash somewhere?
[17:09:42] <cradek> mesaflash could be a separate source so micges (or someone else) can sign and maintain it
[17:09:50] <cradek> I have no preference
[17:09:58] <micges-dev> I can make for 12.04 in a few min
[17:10:22] <cradek> we're working on debian wheezy
[17:11:58] <memfrob> seb_kuzminsky, ever try that 3.4.96 kernel?
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[17:13:48] <seb_kuzminsky> memfrob: yeah, it had the same problem
[17:14:07] <memfrob> 3.4.55 is magic then, great
[17:15:01] <seb_kuzminsky> any sufficiently analysed magic is indistinguishable from science
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[17:15:59] <memfrob> seb_kuzminsky, are those panics happening with sub-ACPI options enabled or no?
[17:16:20] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: pushing the new debs to wlo now
[17:17:00] <memfrob> i know jepler was talking about how others want to be able to use ACPI functions such as software power-off (which works for me btw without sub-ACPI options) but maybe thats the cause? jw
[17:17:00] <seb_kuzminsky> memfrob: 3.4.87 and .96 have panicked at usb-connect-time with every config i've tried
[17:17:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll look in to it in the future probably, but not right now
[17:19:37] <seb_kuzminsky> hrm, i should have made a dumym commit in my rtai deb branch so the rtai-modules would get upgraded...
[17:19:42] <seb_kuzminsky> that's a quick fix, i'll do that now
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[17:52:26] <seb_kuzminsky> on precise, this kernel upgrade looks like a downgrade because of the bogus old debian version numbers i used
[17:53:28] <seb_kuzminsky> on wheezy, it's an actual downgrade (from 3.4.87 to 3.4.55)
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[18:18:23] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: is it ready for me?
[18:18:32] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: oh wait, I didn't see you poke buildbot, so no
[18:19:27] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, not yet
[18:19:41] <seb_kuzminsky> on wheezy you do this to upgrade: sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae ; sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
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[18:20:57] <seb_kuzminsky> on precise: sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends linux-image-3.4.55-rtai-2; sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
[18:21:02] <seb_kuzminsky> then reboot
[18:21:16] <seb_kuzminsky> then install the new rtai-modules, 3.9.261
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[18:25:23] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a hassle, sorry
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[18:25:30] <seb_kuzminsky> buildbot debs won't work until you do that
[18:25:37] <seb_kuzminsky> it'll be easier from here on, i promise!
[18:25:45] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.6 0000.checkin
[18:25:50] <linuxcnc-build> The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts
[18:26:37] <cradek> uh
[18:26:43] <cradek> 83 hours elapsed on the current v2.5_branch build
[18:26:48] <seb_kuzminsky> i upgraded the {precise,wheezy}-rtai-i386 buildslaves with the new rtai/linux debs from w.l.o, we should know in a bit
[18:26:49] <cradek> that doesn't seem right
[18:26:58] <cradek> yay!
[18:27:14] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, it was wedged because the 3.4.87 kernel crashed and it blocked on the build that buildslave was supposed to do
[18:27:27] <seb_kuzminsky> and outgoing mail from the buildmaster is broken, so i didn't find out about it... :-(
[18:27:43] <cradek> I hope it doesn't really have to do the 21 builds that are queued
[18:27:57] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[18:28:16] <seb_kuzminsky> i think it's smart about coalescing builds on a single branch to just the tip of that branch
[18:28:25] <seb_kuzminsky> we'll see
[18:28:30] <cradek> oh good
[18:30:29] <cradek> will we have mesaflash for wheezy too?
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[18:32:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i haven't built it
[18:32:15] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe, um, tomorrow night or thursday
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[18:35:32] <linuxcnc-build> build #36 of 1401.rip-wheezy-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1401.rip-wheezy-rtai-i386/builds/36 blamelist: Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>
[18:35:33] <linuxcnc-build> build #2227 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/2227 blamelist: Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>
[18:35:59] <seb_kuzminsky> err
[18:36:51] <seb_kuzminsky> umm
[18:37:26] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, the rtai test suite just ran on that machine...
[18:38:23] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, old linux-headers
[18:39:17] <seb_kuzminsky> precise-rtai-i386 will fail the same way then
[18:40:16] <seb_kuzminsky> or maybe not, since the linux-image versions are different on the old precise rtai kernel and the new
[18:40:24] <seb_kuzminsky> wheezy's fixed
[18:49:57] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, now the wheezy rtai tests are running fine
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[18:51:19] <cradek> yay!
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[18:57:52] <seb_kuzminsky> actually mesaflash is going to be pretty easy to build using the infrastructure i set up for rtai
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[19:01:41] <cradek> what infrastructure does it need? it just built for me.
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[19:03:35] <seb_kuzminsky> just the "turn a git repo into a deb, using pbuilder for the following list of distros" makefile
[19:03:50] <seb_kuzminsky> i just pushed mesaflas 3.0.0 to wlo, for precise-i386 and wheezy-i386
[19:03:56] <cradek> sweet
[19:04:07] <cradek> I always forget about pbuilder
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[19:04:16] <seb_kuzminsky> Get:1
http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/base mesaflash i386 3.0.0 [31.3 kB]
[19:04:25] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks micges-dev!!!
[19:04:34] <cradek> awesome
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[19:10:37] <cradek> hm, probably oughta have truetype-tracer too
[19:10:58] <seb_kuzminsky> send me a git:// url & a branch name ;-)
[19:11:26] <seb_kuzminsky> what about image-to-gcode? and dxf-to-gcode?
[19:11:36] <cradek> i2g is part of linuxcnc
[19:11:43] <cradek> d2g has been written too many times to know what to use
[19:12:17] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah, i2g, look at that
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[19:22:18] <linuxcnc-build> build #594 of 4009.deb-precise-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4009.deb-precise-rtai-i386/builds/594 blamelist: Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, andy pugh <andy@bodgesoc.org>, Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, John Thornton
[19:22:18] <linuxcnc-build> <jthornton@gnipsel.com>, Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>, bdebruijn <bdebruijn@luminize.nl>, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[19:22:49] <seb_kuzminsky> wat
[19:23:00] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: master from git://timeguy.com/truetype-tracer.git
[19:23:11] <seb_kuzminsky> ok cool
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[19:26:20] <seb_kuzminsky> missing key on that buildslave, fixed
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[19:34:24] <seb_kuzminsky> i think you're missing a build-dependency on pkg-config
[19:34:32] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: ^^^
[19:34:40] <seb_kuzminsky> pbuilder ftw
[19:34:42] <cradek> curses!
[19:34:49] <seb_kuzminsky> no you dont need that
[19:34:54] <cradek> ha
[19:35:13] <cradek> please adjust dependencies as you see fit :-P
[19:35:32] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll send you a patch in a bit
[19:35:36] <cradek> thanks
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[19:46:13] <linuxcnc-build> build #1428 of 1301.rip-precise-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1301.rip-precise-rtai-i386/builds/1428 blamelist: dummy, Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, John Thornton <jthornton@gnipsel.com>, Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, Francis Tisserant
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[19:47:36] <seb_kuzminsky> ugh
[19:47:44] <cradek> that's uspace
[19:48:05] <seb_kuzminsky> whew
[19:50:02] <linuxcnc-build> build #2224 of 1900.clang-lucid-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1900.clang-lucid-rtai-i386/builds/2224 blamelist: dummy, Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, John Thornton <jthornton@gnipsel.com>, Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, Francis Tisserant
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[19:50:29] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek:
http://highlab.com/~seb/linuxcnc/0001-deb-add-missing-build-dep-on-pkg-config.patch
[19:51:34] <cradek> pushed, thanks!
[19:53:31] <seb_kuzminsky> Get:1
http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/base truetype-tracer i386 4.1-2 [18.7 kB]
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[20:13:27] <linuxcnc-build> build #38 of 1401.rip-wheezy-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1401.rip-wheezy-rtai-i386/builds/38 blamelist: dummy, Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, John Thornton <jthornton@gnipsel.com>, Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>,
[20:13:27] <linuxcnc-build> Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[20:16:44] <seb_kuzminsky> uspace-apis build failure, same as the precise-rtai-i386 one above
[20:16:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i wish the buildbot would say the branch it was building when it fails
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[20:20:32] <linuxcnc-build> build #2227 of 1201.rip-lucid-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1201.rip-lucid-rtai-i386/builds/2227 blamelist: dummy, Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, John Thornton <jthornton@gnipsel.com>, Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>,
[20:20:32] <linuxcnc-build> Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[20:21:44] <jepler> hmm, I had taken buildbot's silence as assent. :(
[20:22:47] <seb_kuzminsky> that's a very reasonable thing to do
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[22:07:27] <micges-dev> seb_kuzminsky: great!
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[22:14:12] <linuxcnc-build> build #1430 of 1301.rip-precise-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at
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[22:14:13] <linuxcnc-build> pugh <andy@bodgesoc.org>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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[22:36:32] <seb_kuzminsky> hrm, that build error is unexpected :-(
[22:40:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i restarted it and now it ran fine past the git checkout stage....
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[23:00:22] <linuxcnc-build> build #2231 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
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[23:00:22] <linuxcnc-build> Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[23:00:24] <linuxcnc-build> build #2232 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed fetch branch to local git repo] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/2232 blamelist: Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[23:02:47] <seb_kuzminsky> the #2232 failure is ok, that was a queued build of a branch that got removed (on purpose)
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[23:38:25] <jepler> I am unlikely to fix those buildbot errors on the uspace branch before next monday, as I'm on the road
[23:38:56] <jepler> and, tsk tsk, I turned off all the machines where I usually develop linuxcnc
[23:39:11] <jepler> it looks a lot like I just need to include the right rtapi_foo header in the setsserial component
[23:42:39] <jepler> .. if somebody wanted to try out such a patch on top of my branch, that's great and I'd squash it in upon my return
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