#linuxcnc-devel | Logs for 2014-07-05

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[00:28:42] <cradek> jepler: I want to try max/5i25 on uspace. should I be building jepler/rtos-uspace-aps?
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[00:29:26] <cradek> apis
[00:32:39] <cradek> the answer is apparently yes because it just works
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[00:45:14] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: 3.4.87-1~linuxcnc.1 works fine on this real hardware too
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[01:19:59] <cradek> jepler: I built and installed uspace packages, and it all works
[01:32:47] <skunkworks> isn't that awesome - just works
[01:41:54] <skunkworks> you should also try the -rt kernel
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[02:04:31] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: thanks for that report
[02:04:47] <seb_kuzminsky> i like that that kernel config is close to the upstream debian "normal" kernel config
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[02:52:08] <cradek> skunkworks: I was running uspace/5i25 on the -rt kernel.
[02:55:27] <skunkworks> awesome!
[03:20:23] <skunkworks> duh - I didn't read what you wrote
[03:26:10] <jepler> cradek: cool!
[03:27:10] <cradek> yep, it's really a great thing.
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[03:38:02] <skunkworks> jepler: cradek: http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/realtimedelay.png
[03:38:18] <skunkworks> (after I pulled the network cable to the 7i80) :)
[03:38:39] <skunkworks> ran all after noon - restarted it and letting it run overnight
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[03:47:36] <skunkworks> although it does give the unexpected realtime delay on task 0 twice in the terminal..
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[13:48:38] <jepler> skunkworks: printing twice is slightly interesting. I assume that's a base-thread-only setup.
[13:48:45] <jepler> (so it's not that one should have been task 0, and one should have been task 1)
[13:49:09] <jepler> actually, I bet one is from realtime and the other is from task
[13:49:28] <jepler> not sure though
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[14:01:11] <jepler> (task receives a copy of realtime errors and relays them to userspace; that's how axis gets its message pop-in
[14:01:14] <jepler> )
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[15:35:01] <jepler> BUGS
[15:35:06] <jepler> It is not yet possible to change operating system by writing to
[15:35:09] <jepler> /proc/sys/kernel/ostype.
[15:41:54] <seb_kuzminsky> geez, someone should fix that
[15:42:06] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: did you get my code-review comments?
[15:46:49] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: found them
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[15:48:24] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: "normal" build sys was the kernel 2.4 pre-"kbuild" module build system.
[15:48:29] <jepler> its traces should be considered deletable
[15:55:09] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: (thank you)
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[16:09:17] <seb_kuzminsky> it's not the job of your rt-preempt branch to fix the BUILD_SYS=normal thing, i was just curious
[16:09:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i've made a note to remove it. at some point.
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[16:50:11] <jepler> Instead of working on seb's review items, I worked on userspace parallel port stuff this morning.
[16:50:45] <jepler> I made the work harder than strictly necessary by also moving the parport stuff from the hal layer to the rtapi layer
[16:51:29] <jepler> it now loads hal_parport (the "real" one, not the copy-and-modify version that ended up in "simdrivers")
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[17:32:28] <jepler> darn, 7i43 doesn't work on the first time, and now it's time to leave..
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[19:14:49] <pcw_home> jepler: may just be PP issues if you are not using a built-in motherboard port
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[19:32:21] <jepler> pcw_home: yes, it's an othherwise-untested pci-e parport
[19:32:30] <jepler> 03:00.0 Parallel controller: Oxford Semiconductor Ltd Device c110
[19:33:27] <jepler> I'll double check jumper setting and if I have to, install 32 bit linux and test with rtai
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[19:33:31] <pcw_home> I have had Oxsemi PCI cards work so its likely OK
[19:33:51] <jepler> but for now I'll drink this wine and listen to live bluegrass
[19:34:17] <pcw_home> sounds like a plan
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[19:40:31] <cradek> where does one find live bluegrass?
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[20:38:46] <jepler> cradek: out at one of the local wineries. they're done now, unfortunately.
[20:38:57] <jepler> deer creek, out northeast of lincoln
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[20:53:48] <jepler> cradek: I just "dd" the hybrid.iso to /dev/sdX and boot?
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[21:01:20] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: yep that should work
[21:02:00] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: the wheezy install i got after an older version of your live image includes a couple of virtualbox gues support packages, and i think they should be removed
[21:02:53] <seb_kuzminsky> virtualbox-guest-dkms, virtualbox-guest-utils, and virtualbox-guest-x11
[21:03:30] <seb_kuzminsky> -dkms slows down "dpkg -i linux-image" on my anemic cnc machine, because it recompiles a bunch of kernel modules for the new incoming kernels
[21:13:14] <cradek> lemme see if I can figure out what pulled those in
[21:16:38] <cradek> oh good, they're explicit so it's easy to nuke 'em
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[21:26:05] <jepler> whee, it's alive. First problem, this board needs epp_wide=0 :( and after that there was a silly crash-at-startup bug
[21:27:47] <CaptHindsight> just FYI, <$10 EPP PCIe adapter http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parallel-Port-DB25-LPT-Printer-PCI-E-PCI-Express-Card-Converter-Adapter-/170988778068
[21:27:49] <jepler> seb, pcw: I might as well share with you my nightmare: for those mesa boards with DB connectors, somebody wrote an EPP FPGA firmware, so now I had to figure out tunneling though an arbitrary topology of hm2 boards
[21:28:20] <cradek> someone actually did it? I thought that was just a fever dream of yours.
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[21:28:53] <cradek> oh, you mean literal nightmare
[21:29:04] <cradek> duh
[21:29:18] <jepler> this one's "startech.com Part # PEX1P". chip is silkscreened OXPCIe952-FBAG
[21:29:35] <jepler> cradek: yeah, not real
[21:30:12] <jepler> with a 1ms servo thread, "top" shows 20% of time spent in rtapi_app
[21:30:25] <jepler> .. just running the read/write/pet functions
[21:30:26] <cradek> on a fast or slow machine?
[21:30:49] <jepler> core2 duo 3.16GHz, so I think you'd call it fast
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[21:31:13] <cradek> yeah
[21:31:18] <cradek> warning: script 'realtime' missing LSB tags and overrides
[21:31:29] <cradek> I wonder if this matters for any real reason
[21:31:32] <jepler> that means "geez, you shouldn't even put this in /etc/rc.d"
[21:34:14] <jepler> er /etc/init.d
[21:36:58] <pcw_home> jepler: the nightmare is here (there are people using 7I90s with hm2-serial driven by hm2-pci)
[21:37:20] <jepler> pcw_home: ah, hm
[21:37:30] <jepler> pcw_home: not linuxcnc?
[21:37:43] <pcw_home> no
[21:38:10] <pcw_home> 384 channels of scaler counters for a CT scanner
[21:38:24] <jepler> wow
[21:38:44] <pcw_home> 64 channels per 7I90
[21:43:56] <micges-dev> pcw_home: I fixed mf root access problem, testing with all my boards
[21:44:10] <pcw_home> rebooted uspace-hm2-eth a couple times and never saw the startup error again
[21:44:22] <jepler> pcw_home: huh, ok. I won't worry about that one, then
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[21:45:59] <pcw_home> micges-dev: great It does bring up a interesting issue about Ethernet being accessible to all
[21:47:21] <micges-dev> issue?
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[21:48:11] <pcw_home> how easy that makes it to break linuxcnc
[21:48:13] <pcw_home> I just did this yesterday by running mesaflash while linuxcnc was running
[21:48:14] <pcw_home> (I new It would fail at 2 KHz)
[21:48:57] <micges-dev> ah
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[21:49:43] <pcw_home> Ive noticed at 1 KHz or so you can get away with running say RPO or WPO to read a parameter
[21:49:44] <pcw_home> while linuxcnc is running, but at 2 KHZ there not enough margin for random packets
[21:50:13] <micges-dev> right
[21:50:48] <pcw_home> I wonder if its as simple as setting permissions on the MAC device
[21:50:49] <pcw_home> or whether that has all sorts of side effects
[21:52:29] <micges-dev> yeah you can halt expensive cutting by trying to connect to internet accidentally
[21:52:55] <pcw_home> it would be better if you needed to
[21:52:57] <pcw_home> sudo ping 7i80 :-)
[21:53:40] <micges-dev> :)
[21:54:05] <pcw_home> better
[21:54:07] <pcw_home> sudo -u linuxcnc 7i80
[21:56:59] <micges-dev> probably tricky iptables script should help to protect hm2_eth <-> board connection
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[21:59:27] <micges-dev> pcw_home: new syntax will be: ./mesaflash --device 7i90 --epp --rpo 0x100
[21:59:36] <micges-dev> you can use also --usb and --spi
[21:59:58] <micges-dev> (for 7i64 and 7i43)
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[22:07:30] <pcw_home> still --addr for epp address?
[22:07:54] <pcw_home> (I guess 0x378 could be a default)
[22:08:00] <micges-dev> err yes
[22:08:15] <micges-dev> I try to defaullt it
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[22:32:37] <seb_kuzminsky> i just ran ./configure on a machine with both 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae and 3.2-4-rt-686-pae on it, while i was running the -rt one (not -rtai), and configure got it wrong and built me an rtai linuxcnc
[22:33:02] <seb_kuzminsky> also, debian/configure got confused about the -rt kernel
[22:33:32] <seb_kuzminsky> i rewrote debian/configure for ubc, i'm going to look into pulling the ubc version into uspace
[22:35:44] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: that'd be great. can it be its own topic, after merging uspace?
[22:36:15] <jepler> hm, I wonder how I broke tests/hm2-idrom
[22:36:26] <jepler> oh well, have to wait for the slow mdi tests before I can diagnose it more closely
[22:39:52] <seb_kuzminsky> sure, i'll put it on a side branch
[22:40:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i should be testing jepler/rtos-uspace-apis for hm2-pci, right?
[22:40:20] <seb_kuzminsky> kthxbbl
[22:40:28] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yes
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[22:47:24] <jepler> oh, by making hal.is_rt be true, it went back to looking for failure messages in dmesg
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[22:59:30] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: for your consideration: http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/0001-hm2_7i43-Automatically-fall-back-to-byte-transfers.patch
[23:00:15] <jepler> this autoselects !epp_wide mode on my flawed pci-e card
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